EPTOn execution: Sea.Really vs Jaedong
Sea.Really vs Jaedong
FPVODs
TvP 2factory Tank-heavy rush FPVOD
TvZ Bionic FPVOD - BlueStorm 3hatch
Strategic Tutorials
TvP 2factory Tank-heavy rush
TvZ Bionic Tutorial
enjoy!
[G] Artosis's Terran Tutorials
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On execution: Sea.Really vs Jaedong Sea.Really vs Jaedong FPVODs TvP 2factory Tank-heavy rush FPVOD TvZ Bionic FPVOD - BlueStorm 3hatch Strategic Tutorials TvP 2factory Tank-heavy rush TvZ Bionic Tutorial enjoy! | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
this is gonna rock I think | ||
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Singapore6164 Posts
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
I would really love to watch these tutorials... | ||
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BookTwo
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On September 08 2009 20:38 Gustav_Wind wrote: The scforall player hasn't been working for me recently; any suggestions? I would really love to watch these tutorials... hm havent had any problems with it lately. ill have someone look into it. i dont think this tutorial will get on youtube, it'd have to be split up into like 3 videos + the audio isnt 2 gr9 | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
nvm, wasn't that bad as I got used to it ^^ but try to fix it | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
just fix your mic or audiosettings | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On September 08 2009 20:51 distant_voice wrote: sound quality is abysmal. I'd love to watch, but your voice is barely audible. pls work on this. any cheap headset for 10$ can produce much better sound. your audio setting might be the problem. I really want to watch this but I have to agree. I can barely hear you, no matter how loud i turn the volume your voice is the same as the Brood War music. I hope you can fix it for us, because I am really wanting to watch this. :D | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On September 08 2009 21:18 LordWeird wrote: I really want to watch this but I have to agree. I can barely hear you, no matter how loud i turn the volume your voice is the same as the Brood War music. I hope you can fix it for us, because I am really wanting to watch this. :D I hear him perfectly fine, watched the whole thing | ||
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ReiKo
Croatia1023 Posts
Only thing that bugs me is microphone, sound is too low quality  Thanks! Keep up the good work! | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
I'm so jealous I'm not Terran. + Show Spoiler + Oh well guess I'll go watch rets stream now P.S. have you already succeeded in finding out how to TvP on HBR,artosis? | ||
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ForTheSwarm
United States556 Posts
Anyway, I'm going to watch these anyway. Get a better feel for the MU. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
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Boundz(DarKo)
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kiykiy
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AtlaS
United States1001 Posts
here i thought that you forgot my birthday! :-P | ||
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United States30 Posts
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theobsessed1
United States576 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
What I can think of are: later turrets (though I don't know the exact timing), less static defense Would you get your factory later or faster? What about your 3rd rax timing? Would you add it before turrets? | ||
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50bani
Romania480 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On September 09 2009 00:54 50bani wrote: Can you remake the video or something? The audio is almost dead and the video cuts at 5:30 Just turn up your volume. There's a lot of background noise but his voice is still dominant. And the whole video plays fine for me.. try refreshing maybe? | ||
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zergnewb
United States816 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
and.. its taking ages to load up .. but of what is loaded (60%) its been great! :D SECOND EBAY, not SECOND ARMORY! :D | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On September 09 2009 03:41 HatchetWound wrote: where is the ret blog you mentioned i can't find it? link plz http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=98718 | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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food
United States1951 Posts
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
Thanks! | ||
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KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
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cestatoi
United States97 Posts
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
Edit: now that i've watched the whole thing... awesome info. My ZvT is quite horrible so this was quite informative to me as a newb, in terms of the timing windows to watch out for and also gave me a better idea of where my tech should be in relation to terran tech/number of rax/upgrades. do more! but please get a new microphone or something for next time. | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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StalkerSC
Canada378 Posts
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
On September 09 2009 07:32 StalkerSC wrote: Thanks artosis but......what rank are you in iccup? D+ | ||
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United States845 Posts
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lighter
United States152 Posts
On September 09 2009 10:40 Alizee- wrote: Screwed up audio? No, no, this is authentic Terran radio communications. haha, theyre an advanced version of us- im sure that their technology could support much better audio quality  and...as everybody else has said, this was informative. its great to hear high rank players talk about the game- you guys all have great insight (well, duh...) that I would never think of. thanks for the effort, i thought it was a good watch, and it was audible by turning the volume all the way up. | ||
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movmou
United States142 Posts
nice work on tutorial | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
bionic is more fun than mech anyways thanks for putting the time/effort in to help the community, we all really appreciate it | ||
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G5
United States2898 Posts
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SwEEt[TearS]
Canada1575 Posts
On September 09 2009 12:58 G5 wrote: Please teach me the proper way to play PvT Artosis! Proper PvT is fast 6 port scouts to let the T win easily | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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TheFallofTroy
Canada780 Posts
It really helped show the general timings and responses for certain situations in TvZ. Hope you decide to do more in the future. | ||
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Stipulation
United States587 Posts
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KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
FPVODs TvZ Bionic FPVOD - BlueStorm 3hatch | ||
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Terranlisk
Singapore1404 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On September 11 2009 21:18 Artosis wrote: Here is a VOD of how to execute TvZ Bionic. Feedback as always greatly appreciated. FPVODs TvZ Bionic FPVOD - BlueStorm 3hatch great vod ^^ gj artosis | ||
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Terranlisk
Singapore1404 Posts
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Piste
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iRRelevance
Romania725 Posts
Anyway, what band is that ? They rule. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On September 11 2009 22:52 iRRelevance wrote: You gosu, yes? Anyway, what band is that ? They rule. rise against. tsl theme song got me hooked. | ||
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iRRelevance
Romania725 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
anyway im sure this is good stuff and i dont play terran but thanks anyway lol :D | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
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etch
Canada176 Posts
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zekie
Canada380 Posts
Thanks. BTW awesome video. | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
Otherwise love the effort and the idea, keep it up! | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On September 11 2009 22:01 Piste wrote: lol artosis you had newbie123 in your friendlist, used to be my account before it got stolen! ;( haha isn't that JF's account? If it is you know who to beat up :O | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
you kept your resources down a lot better this game | ||
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Shieru
Chile53 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
they were so awesome xD would be great if u showed how to stop 1hatch lurker/2hatch lurker artosis (fp vod or commentary ofc)! 90% of terrans i see loose to this when z does it | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On September 08 2009 23:01 For_The_Swarm wrote: STOP TEACHING BIO! Lol, bio is so much more powerful than mech imo. You should keep deluding all these D/D+ terrans into going mech more often! Do it as a favor to me! Lol. Anyway, I'm going to watch these anyway. Get a better feel for the MU. Well for D+ players mech is stronger usually because it takes less multitask and attention to units. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
I would love it if you did manage to make more tutorials in the future | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
Strategic Tutorials TvP 2factory Tank-heavy rush | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
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Terranlisk
Singapore1404 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
thx | ||
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oxidized
United States324 Posts
That said, I feel that this latest vod leaves a little to be desired. You did go over the build order basics, but did not go into the intricacies of the build. You said this build crushed 2 gate robo expand, but you did not say what the protoss could do to counter the build if they suspected it. You said fast DT or fast reaver might be strong vs this 2 fact, but you did not really elaborate on how the T should modify the build order in case of DT or reaver. I'd like to know more about what is strong vs 2 fact and how I should, as Terran, minimize losses against some DT or reaver opening. I do enjoy your vods though and please keep them coming. PS Are you ever going to make that HBR TvP tutorial? | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
Hoping to see a standard TvP macro game too someday, but really good job, cant wait to try this build out. Its not on liquipedia, so being a rather new player I hadn't really heard about this before. | ||
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50bani
Romania480 Posts
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On September 16 2009 22:12 50bani wrote: You got so lucky because he was gonna gas steal! Does he ever not gas steal btw? Yeh he always gas steals. | ||
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KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
On September 16 2009 19:20 Ftrunkz wrote: i thought 2 gate robo was the safest std opening PvT... If that build completely and utterly rapes it, what do i do to be as safe as possible now? D: You're NEVER safe. We're coming for you ; ) | ||
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nicoaldo
Argentina939 Posts
On September 16 2009 19:20 Ftrunkz wrote: i thought 2 gate robo was the safest std opening PvT... If that build completely and utterly rapes it, what do i do to be as safe as possible now? D: Dt´s are the safest build Pv ... well they rape everything. Just hit K | ||
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United Kingdom606 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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Mienio
Poland40 Posts
. You have the same mic like in Apollo 11 HA! StarCraft climat " Hello, Artosis here, I'm landing on the Blue Storm" , "...That's one small step for Terran ..." ^.^ | ||
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
Thanks! | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
stop creating more cheesy newbies | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On September 19 2009 05:46 IdrA wrote: goddamit stop creating more cheesy newbies oh lol.... | ||
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United States607 Posts
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
On September 16 2009 19:20 Ftrunkz wrote: i thought 2 gate robo was the safest std opening PvT... If that build completely and utterly rapes it, what do i do to be as safe as possible now? D: 2 gate robo is generally considered safest because it's safe vs early aggression (such as fd or normal 2 fac). This build is timed to attack later than the normal 2 fac, so the later expansion timing for the protoss makes them more vulnerable to it. During the video he seemed to imply that a fast tech build would be good against it, like fast dt or reaver. 12 nexus is probably good vs it too. | ||
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United States11541 Posts
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meeny
United States40 Posts
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RaptorX
Germany646 Posts
On September 19 2009 08:59 IdrA wrote: 2 gate dt is the safest build I also think so. Also you should never expand if you are not sure what terran is doing, unless you 12 Nex. I guess his expansion killed him, and even artosis mentioned that "he stopped his dragoon production and expanded" and thats why he got raped. | ||
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United States3090 Posts
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prOxi.Beater
Denmark626 Posts
On September 16 2009 18:36 Artosis wrote: New Tutorial, TvP 2factory play. mic also fixed. suggestions always welcome! Strategic Tutorials TvP 2factory Tank-heavy rush I have a question on this build. Why do you keep mining gas after you've ceased siege tank production? Wouldn't it be a lot better to mine more minerals and be able to set up a faster expansion? You're basically just denying yourself a transition into lategame play in order to get more, useless gas. The only thing you need gas for is siege mode, since the tanks never die, but you will almost never have to use siege mode using this build (basically a 4 tank joyo rush) Big thanks for putting these up, they're very helpful and very interesting! | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
![[image loading]](http://repdepot.net/img/thumbs/21250.jpg) Or am I building the 2nd factory too early? Maybe I just forgot to start the vulture upgrades... | ||
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 20 2009 00:25 alexpnd wrote: I did the 2 fac, squashed him, got to his gateways, and I see cloaked units coming out :S gg no re. I definitely will add the acad while im attacking to prevent this from happening. All in all though I like the 4 tanks its a beast. If he had no army and you had constant vulture rally with mines and speed, a couple of DTs REALLY shouldn't be game-changing. | ||
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Canada395 Posts
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Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
Will watch now :D | ||
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Stimpacked
Philippines368 Posts
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
On September 20 2009 01:17 Shikyo wrote: If he had no army and you had constant vulture rally with mines and speed, a couple of DTs REALLY shouldn't be game-changing. me noob. | ||
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WastedYouth
United States563 Posts
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
Replay files? | ||
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
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Gretorp
United States586 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Deleted User 31060
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On September 21 2009 03:18 IdrA wrote: i heard walling in works pretty well what if it's a wall (like on outsider 1 o'clock) where your marines spawn on the outside? | ||
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Mah Buckit!
Finland474 Posts
On September 21 2009 03:13 Pr0terg wrote: Artosis can you help me learn to stop 6 rax TvT? Stop 6 raxing -_- / imitating Artosis BTW, Shouldn´t it be Turtorial, as in turtle. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On September 21 2009 03:49 Sunyveil wrote: what if it's a wall (like on outsider 1 o'clock) where your marines spawn on the outside? it was a joke, walls are always terrible vs proxy raxes | ||
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United States206 Posts
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
On September 21 2009 04:00 IdrA wrote: it was a joke, walls are always terrible vs proxy raxes a progamer would have lawled. | ||
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
11 rax 15 depot 16 cc 18 rax 19 gas 23 acad 30 depot *2 meds *stim 35 comsats 35 ebay 46 depot (earlier probably, Artosis seemed to get supply stuck here) 51 rax fac and turrets | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
TvP 2factory Tank-heavy rush FPVOD | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
On September 21 2009 01:41 Phyre wrote: Artosis, would you mind updating the 1rax/FE page of Liquipedia with a more exact build order if this is the new standard shown in your TvZtutorial? Or even release the rep so we can get a better look at the BO? | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On September 22 2009 22:16 Catch]22 wrote: I take it that it was something in his build that caused you to move out with 2 tanks instead of 4, something that you said normally was done with only one addon, but what exactly was it? the point of the tanks are to deal with the goons. he probed my ramp 1 time with goons and backed off, which meant a low goon count. i then decided to press him earlier because it was a high % chance he was teching or expanding. | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
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Deleted User 31060
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JAY KAY | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
I opened up a link, scforall opened up, threw an install flashplayer msg and mozilla crashed :/ EDIT: NVM I got it working | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
BTW I love these videos, really informative and fun to watch, keep it coming please <3 | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On September 23 2009 06:30 YPang wrote: is it me or is artosis's carrying on Stylish's project? absolutely not. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 23 2009 06:30 YPang wrote: is it me or is artosis's carrying on Stylish's project? yeah you got artosis and idra confused | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
lol I love how he instantly denies any comparison to Stylish in any way, even if it was meant positively | ||
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United States1048 Posts
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
On September 21 2009 01:41 Phyre wrote: Artosis, would you mind updating the 1rax/FE page of Liquipedia with a more exact build order if this is the new standard shown in your TvZtutorial? Or even release the rep so we can get a better look at the BO? | ||
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Malaysia2585 Posts
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AtlaS
United States1001 Posts
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
On September 23 2009 05:12 Catch]22 wrote: On the subject of that, how DO we adapt once we see DTs? Question also, would be vs reaver/DT drops? I'm thinking pulling back marines and a tank and mining up the areas behind minerals. Do you add an ebay while moving out? | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On September 23 2009 11:25 Pokebunny wrote: lol I love how he instantly denies any comparison to Stylish in any way, even if it was meant positively All high level terrans are mad because of the attention Stylish got lolol | ||
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Muff2n
United Kingdom250 Posts
.Rage-egging posting aside, thanks for the tutorials. | ||
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LittleBallOfHate
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http://imgur.com/3oVTI.png | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 28 2009 03:10 LittleBallOfHate wrote: hey why is scforall considered an attack website?? http://imgur.com/3oVTI.png Because you get viruses on your computer when you go there. Pretty obvious. | ||
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Sweden16951 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On September 28 2009 03:10 LittleBallOfHate wrote: hey why is scforall considered an attack website?? http://imgur.com/3oVTI.png Nice screenshot dimensions. What an elite computer. | ||
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LittleBallOfHate
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its just 1440x900 | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On September 28 2009 06:11 LittleBallOfHate wrote: It was cropped. its just 1440x900 lol I know, that's not a normal monitor dimension did you do it on purpose? I'm assuming so xD | ||
Bebop Berserker
United States246 Posts
On September 28 2009 04:23 Holgerius wrote: Oh my, TvP got a lot easier now that I've started doing 2 Fac builds. Thanks for the tutorials! Now go make some more. easier doesn't mean you've gotten any better. just fyi. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
It's funny really how good early aggression can be with terran on low / mid levels because both zergs and protosses allways assume you're gonna play a drawn out econ game. Reinstate the timing pushes YEAH! | ||
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LittleBallOfHate
29 Posts
On September 28 2009 07:09 Pokebunny wrote: lol I know, that's not a normal monitor dimension did you do it on purpose? I'm assuming so xD it's a widescreen. | ||
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CookieswithMilk
23 Posts
On September 28 2009 06:56 d(O.o)a wrote: yeah I literally can't visit the site now even on internet explorer I also had this problem with the slow loading times from internet explorer but I manage to get on front page. A screenshot of the page today: http://imgur.com/fbMW9.jpg | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On September 28 2009 07:10 Bebop Berserker wrote: easier doesn't mean you've gotten any better. just fyi. Of course it does. I have learned how to (somewhat) properly excecute a new strategy that has increased my winning % against Protoss. How is that not getting better? By all possible definitions of the word, I have gotten just that; better. There are of course a crapton of aspects of SC and TvP that has remained unaffected by this specific improvement (several more important aspects; macro, timing in midgame, multitasking, defence against recalls and shit, lategame mega army management etc etc etc etc), but to say that I haven't gotten any better is plain retarded. Seriously. Anyway, as Starbrift said; Protoss players are taking shit for granted these days since 2 Fac is not used very often. Not abusing that weakness would just be dumb. 2 Fac FTW! | ||
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Catch]22
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On September 29 2009 02:38 Catch]22 wrote: Still trying to figure out how to handle DTs :S I think I might have found the answer myself. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/9760_JangBi_vs_Mind/vod | ||
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TurboDreams
United States427 Posts
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2on2
United States142 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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United States4991 Posts
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Monstah-_-
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On October 07 2009 03:50 HnR)Insane wrote: I temporarily broke the links since SCForAll has malware at the moment. TY so much, I clicked one and forgot that it was on SCForAll and said FML -_- | ||
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TurboDreams
United States427 Posts
On October 09 2009 06:12 fast ball player wrote: so can anyone upload the fpvods to youtube? Thats not a bad idea imo. | ||
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United States18 Posts
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KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
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Nicaragua2 Posts
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IronWolf
South Africa315 Posts
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
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Terranlisk
Singapore1404 Posts
On November 27 2009 11:59 Cedstick wrote: Kinda curious why the links in the first post are URLs like "www.scforallMALWAREI.com..." there was a period of time where scforall was infected with some kind of virus so some mod probably edited the link so you wouldn't be directed to scforall. | ||
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Canada3336 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On November 27 2009 12:46 Cedstick wrote: Figured as much. People's Internet Explorer was warning them about scforall.com with Artosis' link to the ret interview the other day, too. As much as I'd love to see what those articles in the OP say, I think I'm going to stay away from the site for now. the site is completely fine. google based stuff doesn't like korean video sites, such as afreeca (which scforall uses as a host) and gives malware warnings. there is no malware, the site is safe. ill try to make some more tutorial stuff when i get a chance. | ||
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
loving it so far! | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
On November 27 2009 13:00 Artosis wrote: the site is completely fine. google based stuff doesn't like korean video sites, such as afreeca (which scforall uses as a host) and gives malware warnings. there is no malware, the site is safe. ill try to make some more tutorial stuff when i get a chance. Thanks, the assuration is really all I needed. I'm usually not too wary about warez warnings as I see a lot of false positives as a computer tech, but I'm just being safe Will check 'em out soon. Just reading a couple Liquipedia Terran FE guides, gonna try them out, then I'll check-out your stuff. | ||
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Singapore1442 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On execution: Sea.Really vs Jaedong Sea.Really vs Jaedong | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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Daedes
Bangladesh105 Posts
On February 19 2010 11:29 Artosis wrote: im takin it easy. slightly less than 20 hours per day so i dont burn out. Artosis is showing true dedication in supporting the terran community with starcraft 2 out | ||
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Belgium2115 Posts
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
On February 19 2010 11:45 Daedes wrote: Artosis is showing true dedication in supporting the terran community with starcraft 2 out Probably just got DT dropped or something. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Really despite sneaking in vults into a hydra and sunken free main, he got owned like a C+ :S | ||
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United States495 Posts
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Navi
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On February 19 2010 13:43 NeoOmega wrote: Microing non-speed vultures vs speedlings is not nearly as easy as you make it sound. Its a not a good situation for zerg, but even with perfect terran micro it's going to be hard to gg someone like Jaedong. definetly not looking down on Jaedong (artosis said something to the same effect) but if really had kept his 2 vults together, he could have sniped most of the lings away (JD didn't have that many, maybe 6? I kinda forget ). And even better, if he had snuck in all four vultures (more info in tutorial) then it would have been ez to kill those lings, and thus gg :O. | ||
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RainSunShowers
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StiX
Netherlands220 Posts
On January 17 2012 03:45 RainSunShowers wrote: Sorry for bumping this, but I just started with bw and wanted to check out these videoes, and they are not avalible it seems. Well now that you've bumped that, anyone has a mirror source? I'd be interested too, just starting BW. | ||
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