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On July 29 2009 09:17 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 09:15 7mk wrote:On July 29 2009 09:13 Zzoram wrote: I'm going to watch the replay now, I need to see the suspicious behaviour myself. We should probably all do this. .... why do you post stuff like this On July 29 2009 08:01 Zzoram wrote:On July 29 2009 07:59 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 29 2009 07:57 lokiM wrote:On July 29 2009 07:56 zulu_nation8 wrote: but in the map extracted from the replay, only 12 o'clocks minerals are stacked? nope, most of the north bases are stacked so only the player who spawns at top gets the advantage, and the spawning points on the map are random? The hack altered the map, the replay saved the altered map, so extracting the map from the replay shows the stacked minerals. Dimaga moving his drones to hide the fact he's using stacked minerals so he clearly knew they were stacked and was hiding the fact from Idra's scout. if you hadn't actually seen it yourself :S I'm sorry, I was restating something that someone else said. I guess I got overly excited.
I guess it's been too long since the last TL esports drama ^^
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Well, by around ~1:50 you can see 3 drones mining from the 2 bottom patches in the main. This is before there is much going on, so if you look at your main, you can see it.
The worst part is that those 3 drones actively mine 2 patches at the bottom while one patch at the top is being ignored for quite a while.
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On July 29 2009 09:08 SkytoM wrote: lol. what senseless noob bashing..
i'm used to wc3 stats i'm very 'sorry'. Grubbys and moons made 100-0 back then and everything under 80% win was a shame. Um, Grubby and Moon's skilled level compared to everyone elses' in WC3 is not the same as Idra's skill level compared to everyone elses' in SC.
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On July 29 2009 09:11 B1nary wrote: Anyone consider the possibility that the coincidental timing between Dimaga moving his drones and Idra's SCV arriving results from Dimaga seeing the SCV? I mean... I'd want to put my screen on the red dot in my base when I see it on the minimap. And if I happened to see stacked drones as a result, I would move them to another patch or another base.
Another possibility: Idra hosts rigged mapped by accident. Dimaga notices the stacking. Dimaga thinks, "hey, this gives me a much better chance of beating Idra, chances are, no one will find out, and even if they do find out, it'll be pretty easy for me to deny noticing it." Considering how much everyone's arguing right now, it's pretty clear that it'll be extremely difficult providing solid evidence that Dimaga did in fact notice.
i dont think the people running highlander would just go "lol ok he said he didnt notice, np"
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motbob
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On July 29 2009 09:16 arb wrote: Honestly if you dont see dimaga was trying to hide anything youre either. Very bad at noticing details , or an Idra hater that doesnt want to admit someone had to cheat to beat him.
Just watch the bottom patch while idras scv is alive. Just before the scv gets there the 2nd mining drone(on that patch) is moved to his natural. After idras scv dies dimaga doesnt bother evening things out and keeps his drones there. He knew it was stacked people. If you're going to tell me that I'm a) bad at watching replays or b) biased just because I hold an opinion, then get the fuck out.
I've already said that when Idra's SCV went up the ramp, it stopped. Dimaga had no way of knowing it wasn't going to go straight to his minerals, so if he were trying to hide something, he would have moved the stacked drones. He didn't.
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Curious to see what happens next. Ironic that Dimaga still lost :S would be more drama if he won.
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Even if he did notice why would he risk moving his drones around and make it obvious in replay, when he could just leave it as normal and get the advantage and if Idra noticed then he could say 'well you hosted game' anyway.
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Well this is going to be harder to do in SC2 as maps and replays are different files. Slight changes at map will mean that you can't run that replay without having correct map.
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On July 29 2009 09:16 arb wrote: Honestly if you dont see dimaga was trying to hide anything youre either. Very bad at noticing details , or an Idra hater that doesnt want to admit someone had to cheat to beat him.
Just watch the bottom patch while idras scv is alive. Just before the scv gets there the 2nd mining drone(on that patch) is moved to his natural. After idras scv dies dimaga doesnt bother evening things out and keeps his drones there. He knew it was stacked people. there's no point into listening to you for 1 you don't play zerg and don't understand that you have to transfer drones in order to even the drones per base, DIMAGA did nothing 'suspicious', you guys that keep saying this make me laugh, if he was trying to hide it then why didn't he do anything when IdrA was scanning? he would've definitely saw stacked drones.
If there is no hack that completely alters a playing field and changes the map within a game, then this is already solved IDRA HOSTED A BOGUS MAP BY ACCIDENT AND DIMAGA JUST HAPPENED TO BE ON TOP
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On July 29 2009 09:23 tobi9999 wrote: Curious to see what happens next. Ironic that Dimaga still lost :S would be more drama if he won. He won the game or are you talking about the series?
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Yeah, so from around 1:48 onwards, you can clearly see drones mining stacked minerals at the bottom of the main. If you are an A level player, you should realize how many drones you have, and that there is 1 patch not being mined at the top when you have 9 drones, which doesn't make sense. That would probably make you look closer at what your drones are doing to see if they glitched.
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For those that can't see or are too lazy to open the rep, here's a quick sample:
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uuuh i dont have time to read the whole thread right now but i hosted that game i must have just dled a rigged map while playing on iccup, can someone tell me the file name so i can delete it?
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RoX.DIMAGA wrote: LOL yea realy i see now replay and its realy stack i was OO WTF ?? and see the map in DOWNLOAD same names just have some " " and in that map only in 12 hours always same shit(4 drones mining top 2 minerals), i dont remmeber who create game i think it was idra ...
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_ iCCup _ Destination 1.1
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motbob
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On July 29 2009 09:27 IdrA wrote: uuuh i dont have time to read the whole thread right now but i hosted that game i must have just dled a rigged map while playing on iccup, can someone tell me the file name so i can delete it? ANTICLIMAX
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On July 29 2009 09:29 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 09:27 IdrA wrote: uuuh i dont have time to read the whole thread right now but i hosted that game i must have just dled a rigged map while playing on iccup, can someone tell me the file name so i can delete it? ANTICLIMAX
Yeah, less exciting, but probably better for the Starcraft scene.
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It's only anticlimax if dimaga didn't notice. Let's hope so.
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