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[False Alarm]IdrA vs Eurotrash (Dimaga Highlander) - Page 14

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lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
July 29 2009 00:04 GMT
#261
On July 29 2009 09:04 keV. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2009 09:01 SkytoM wrote:
On July 29 2009 09:00 keV. wrote:
On July 29 2009 08:59 SkytoM wrote:
how can a guy like Idra only have like 55% wining rate??


Maybe by playing koreans? and other "guys like idra"


i thought there are no Idras around. also do koreans even iccup? don't they train in their houses only to keep builds secret? and an amateur korean shouldn't beat idra.


Because everything you said here is wrong. I'll just say, no.

i was going to say something but this was better haha
You can't fight the feeling.
gotwater
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States179 Posts
July 29 2009 00:04 GMT
#262
On July 29 2009 09:01 SkytoM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2009 09:00 keV. wrote:
On July 29 2009 08:59 SkytoM wrote:
how can a guy like Idra only have like 55% wining rate??


Maybe by playing koreans? and other "guys like idra"


i thought there are no Idras around. also do koreans even iccup? don't they train in their houses only to keep builds secret? and an amateur korean shouldn't beat idra.

http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/ladder.html
Everything counts.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
July 29 2009 00:04 GMT
#263
On July 29 2009 09:01 SkytoM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2009 09:00 keV. wrote:
On July 29 2009 08:59 SkytoM wrote:
how can a guy like Idra only have like 55% wining rate??


Maybe by playing koreans? and other "guys like idra"


i thought there are no Idras around. also do koreans even iccup? don't they train in their houses only to keep builds secret? and an amateur korean shouldn't beat idra.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94532

Take a look at that thread to see how many korean pros play iccup. Theres also similar threads going back most seasons.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9031 Posts
July 29 2009 00:05 GMT
#264
On July 29 2009 08:56 Zzoram wrote:
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On July 29 2009 08:53 genwar wrote:
On July 29 2009 08:49 motbob wrote:
Idra doesn't cheat on Iccup, look at his rank ROFLFLFL


http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/benlinus.html is Idra's iccup account.


For the lazy:

B+
Statistics
339 - 313 - 0

| iCCup | Destination 1.1
124 | 41%



Which doesn't make sense, because he's played over 650 games according to those stats, but only 124 on Destination 1.1 made up 41% of games? Unless the statistics include last season.

ICCUP stats never make sense to me.
Dgtl
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada889 Posts
July 29 2009 00:05 GMT
#265
On July 29 2009 09:01 SkytoM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2009 09:00 keV. wrote:
On July 29 2009 08:59 SkytoM wrote:
how can a guy like Idra only have like 55% wining rate??


Maybe by playing koreans? and other "guys like idra"


i thought there are no Idras around. also do koreans even iccup? don't they train in their houses only to keep builds secret? and an amateur korean shouldn't beat idra.

Have you seen the who is who iccup thread? My god can you be that dumb?
^______________^
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
July 29 2009 00:08 GMT
#266
lol. what senseless noob bashing..

i'm used to wc3 stats i'm very 'sorry'. Grubbys and moons made 100-0 back then and everything under 80% win was a shame.
Bisu... ;-(
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
July 29 2009 00:09 GMT
#267
According to the Who Is Who thread, Idra is Universe and sleepwalker. When did he switch to BenLinus? Which by the way, is such a great name for him.
inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
July 29 2009 00:10 GMT
#268
On July 29 2009 09:05 Garnet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2009 08:56 Zzoram wrote:
On July 29 2009 08:53 genwar wrote:
On July 29 2009 08:49 motbob wrote:
Idra doesn't cheat on Iccup, look at his rank ROFLFLFL


http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/benlinus.html is Idra's iccup account.


For the lazy:

B+
Statistics
339 - 313 - 0

| iCCup | Destination 1.1
124 | 41%



Which doesn't make sense, because he's played over 650 games according to those stats, but only 124 on Destination 1.1 made up 41% of games? Unless the statistics include last season.

ICCUP stats never make sense to me.



124 is 41% of 300... could the formula they use not count past 300 lol?
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
July 29 2009 00:10 GMT
#269
For those of you just joining us in this thread

- Idra hosted the game
- The map itself was messed up
- It doesn't look like Dimaga was trying to hide anything (some people disagree with this)
- Idra has no reason to cheat, and especially has no reason to host with a map with a 50% chance of giving his opponent the advantage.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Toxiferous
Profile Joined June 2009
United States388 Posts
July 29 2009 00:10 GMT
#270
On July 29 2009 08:31 Crunchums wrote:
Hey guys I have nothing new to add to the discussion but I'm going to make a post saying stuff that's already been said anyways.

^ sums up whole thread

FUCK NOW IM CONTRIBUTING
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
July 29 2009 00:11 GMT
#271
Anyone consider the possibility that the coincidental timing between Dimaga moving his drones and Idra's SCV arriving results from Dimaga seeing the SCV? I mean... I'd want to put my screen on the red dot in my base when I see it on the minimap. And if I happened to see stacked drones as a result, I would move them to another patch or another base.

Another possibility: Idra hosts rigged mapped by accident. Dimaga notices the stacking. Dimaga thinks, "hey, this gives me a much better chance of beating Idra, chances are, no one will find out, and even if they do find out, it'll be pretty easy for me to deny noticing it." Considering how much everyone's arguing right now, it's pretty clear that it'll be extremely difficult providing solid evidence that Dimaga did in fact notice.
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
July 29 2009 00:12 GMT
#272
On July 29 2009 09:10 motbob wrote:
For those of you just joining us in this thread

- Idra hosted the game
- The map itself was messed up
- It doesn't look like Dimaga was trying to hide anything (PEOPLE WHO WATCHED THE REPLAY disagree with this)
- Idra has no reason to cheat, and especially has no reason to host with a map with a 50% chance of giving his opponent the advantage.


Fixed
BeSt/Pure/Canata/Calm - I believe in Doh Jae Wook
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
July 29 2009 00:13 GMT
#273
I'm going to watch the replay now, I need to see the suspicious behaviour myself. We should probably all do this.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
July 29 2009 00:13 GMT
#274
On July 29 2009 09:12 Nylan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2009 09:10 motbob wrote:
For those of you just joining us in this thread

- Idra hosted the game
- The map itself was messed up
- It doesn't look like Dimaga was trying to hide anything (PEOPLE WHO WATCHED THE REPLAY disagree with this)
- Idra has no reason to cheat, and especially has no reason to host with a map with a 50% chance of giving his opponent the advantage.


Fixed


yeah though your post is kinda bullshit cause many of those who do agree also watched the replay.
beep boop
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
July 29 2009 00:15 GMT
#275
On July 29 2009 09:08 SkytoM wrote:
lol. what senseless noob bashing..

i'm used to wc3 stats i'm very 'sorry'. Grubbys and moons made 100-0 back then and everything under 80% win was a shame.


Its not "senseless noob bashing" when you derail the thread with dumb questions that could easily be answered with common sense and the search function.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
July 29 2009 00:15 GMT
#276
On July 29 2009 09:13 Zzoram wrote:
I'm going to watch the replay now, I need to see the suspicious behaviour myself. We should probably all do this.


....
why do you post stuff like this

On July 29 2009 08:01 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2009 07:59 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 29 2009 07:57 lokiM wrote:
On July 29 2009 07:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:
but in the map extracted from the replay, only 12 o'clocks minerals are stacked?

nope, most of the north bases are stacked


so only the player who spawns at top gets the advantage, and the spawning points on the map are random?


The hack altered the map, the replay saved the altered map, so extracting the map from the replay shows the stacked minerals.

Dimaga moving his drones to hide the fact he's using stacked minerals so he clearly knew they were stacked and was hiding the fact from Idra's scout.


if you hadn't actually seen it yourself :S
beep boop
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 29 2009 00:16 GMT
#277
Honestly if you dont see dimaga was trying to hide anything youre either. Very bad at noticing details , or an Idra hater that doesnt want to admit someone had to cheat to beat him.

Just watch the bottom patch while idras scv is alive. Just before the scv gets there the 2nd mining drone(on that patch) is moved to his natural. After idras scv dies dimaga doesnt bother evening things out and keeps his drones there.
He knew it was stacked people.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
July 29 2009 00:17 GMT
#278
How could IdrA have hosted a hacked map? Why not just create from the official ICCUP map pack.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-29 00:18:01
July 29 2009 00:17 GMT
#279
On July 29 2009 09:15 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2009 09:13 Zzoram wrote:
I'm going to watch the replay now, I need to see the suspicious behaviour myself. We should probably all do this.


....
why do you post stuff like this

Show nested quote +
On July 29 2009 08:01 Zzoram wrote:
On July 29 2009 07:59 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 29 2009 07:57 lokiM wrote:
On July 29 2009 07:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:
but in the map extracted from the replay, only 12 o'clocks minerals are stacked?

nope, most of the north bases are stacked


so only the player who spawns at top gets the advantage, and the spawning points on the map are random?


The hack altered the map, the replay saved the altered map, so extracting the map from the replay shows the stacked minerals.

Dimaga moving his drones to hide the fact he's using stacked minerals so he clearly knew they were stacked and was hiding the fact from Idra's scout.


if you hadn't actually seen it yourself :S


I'm sorry, I was restating something that someone else said. I guess I got overly excited.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
July 29 2009 00:17 GMT
#280
On July 29 2009 09:10 inReacH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2009 09:05 Garnet wrote:
On July 29 2009 08:56 Zzoram wrote:
On July 29 2009 08:53 genwar wrote:
On July 29 2009 08:49 motbob wrote:
Idra doesn't cheat on Iccup, look at his rank ROFLFLFL


http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/benlinus.html is Idra's iccup account.


For the lazy:

B+
Statistics
339 - 313 - 0

| iCCup | Destination 1.1
124 | 41%



Which doesn't make sense, because he's played over 650 games according to those stats, but only 124 on Destination 1.1 made up 41% of games? Unless the statistics include last season.

ICCUP stats never make sense to me.



124 is 41% of 300... could the formula they use not count past 300 lol?


If you look at the number of games it has listed for him under race stats it shows 302 games, 124/302 = ~41%. The race/map stats are taken from the matchlist which does not include games played under different accounts before transferring stats.

I watched the replay and only saw one instance of anything that even remotely looked like Dimaga was attempting to hide something from Idra, but I don't think it was really particularly suspicious even in that case.
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