Update: oov will not be playing in this tournament anymore. Best of luck to him for his speedy recovery!
Player-Coach iloveoov will get a more thorough medical check on the 16th of July.
After complaining of extreme headaches, iloveoov was rushed to the hospital at around 4pm KST on the 14th of July, and it was concluded that the main reason was due to 'sleep-related conditions, which resulted in extreme headaches and blurred vision'.
Hence, iloveoov will undergo a more thorough medical check on the 16th of July, and main cause of this has been deduced to be due to 'sleep disturbance' (some disorder with sleeping). To find out whether he has been getting enough, he will undergo a variety of tests, including a electroencephalogram test, and doctors will be able to determine the actual cause if it isn't due to lack of sleep.
iloveoov is now resting at home, and the results of the test is expected to be released on the 22nd of July.
Because of this incident, his match, which was postponed to the 20th, may have to be cancelled as his condition and health status is uncertain at the moment.
I was going to make a similar topic, but Jaedong related. We all know JD has been on a very, VERY tight schedule, both praticing a lot and playing one television game after another. But something really struck me when I was watching JD vs Kal on Avalon MSL (from July 11).
Have you guys watched the game? I was under the impression JD was about to FAINT at any moment. His eyes were like, RED, he looked incredibly tired and in a bad mood. When he finally won, his reaction was... very scary!!!! He tickled his eyes with a very sad face, like he was thinking "ok stupid Kal is death, now I can finally get some sleep!"
Are progamers getting over the top with excessive playing? I have no doubt playing SC for - I don't know, 12 hours a day - Can screw you up very, very bad! I wonder if these guys do anything at all to take care of their health...
On July 15 2009 22:04 zazen wrote: I have no doubt playing SC for - I don't know, 12 hours a day - Can screw you up very, very bad! I wonder if these guys do anything at all to take care of their health...
Unfortunately I think when preparing to important matches, progamers train WAY more than 12 hours a day. They don't do anything else than eat/play sc/sleep, they can eat lunch and dinner in 1 hour, let's say another hour for other stuff like showering, then you have 22 hours left. As we know, Koreans think that sleep = loss of time so 4-6 hours should be enough for them. That's 16-18 hours of training. And I believe JD, Bisu and Flash train like that all the time, what in my opinion they can't endure in a long term :/
On July 15 2009 22:41 crucifix wrote: Damn, Gorilla Terran come back to health asap. Would be a big pleasure to see You playing but health is most important.
To be precise, the article doesn't say anything like that he wouldn't sleep because of too much practices. it reads only sleep disturbance (disorder) and fatigue.
Btw use his real name instead of "iloveoov". It looks ridiculous when even the koreans aren't using their online handles when speaking about them in articles
On July 15 2009 23:59 konadora wrote: i didn't know how to word that (literal translation would be sleep disturbance, but I don't know if that's a proper term)
Will be rewording that
i don't know well either but just referred to a medical term of it. what i wanted to say is people came to the conclusion that over-practice is all of the cause.
edit/ i'm sick of lame netizens saying he's too stressed due to the fear of savior and laughing.
Lol, he is sick because he has been slacking since he started coaching and probably didnt play much ehehehe, now he is like OH SHIT!! i gotta step shit up lol.. I think that would be hilarious if thats teh case, which it isnt just a funny scenario
On July 16 2009 00:19 ghostWriter wrote: I can't believe oov practiced so hard for a showmatch. Winning is winning, but at the expense of your health? Come on man~
It's not exactly a showmatch since the prize is equal to that of winning an OSL.
I think the schedules these guys have to stick to are really too harsh. While not physically demanding as other sports, putting in 12 hour or more days every single day is ridiculous. But i can't see any solution, someone will always want to push themselves as far as possible to get the edge. In Jaedongs case maybe he is infact practising too hard and negatively effecting his performance rather than helping? Hes obviously got a lot of raw skill anyway so does pushing himself to this extreme actually benefit him or would less practise and more sleep be better, thats what i wonder.
T1 already safely secured first spot in proleague in the last week, how did he get so worked up all of a sudden? i hope he didn't over-practise and end up not being able to play all of a sudden : /
I really hope oov gets better and I really wanna see him play vs these guys I didnt like him at the time, but I've grown attached to his genius and influence after a while
On July 15 2009 22:04 zazen wrote: I have no doubt playing SC for - I don't know, 12 hours a day - Can screw you up very, very bad! I wonder if these guys do anything at all to take care of their health...
As we know, Koreans think that sleep = loss of time so 4-6 hours should be enough for them.
On July 15 2009 22:04 zazen wrote: I have no doubt playing SC for - I don't know, 12 hours a day - Can screw you up very, very bad! I wonder if these guys do anything at all to take care of their health...
As we know, Koreans think that sleep = loss of time so 4-6 hours should be enough for them.
Oov has always appeared to me as being a pretty healthy guy since he doesn't appear to be as scrawny as many of the other progamers. Seems like he's overworked himself though. Hopefully he will recover soon.
On July 15 2009 22:04 zazen wrote: I have no doubt playing SC for - I don't know, 12 hours a day - Can screw you up very, very bad! I wonder if these guys do anything at all to take care of their health...
As we know, Koreans think that sleep = loss of time so 4-6 hours should be enough for them.
That's nothing really. Progaming is such a young practice that the consequences cannot be seen as no progamers aged enough. When some of them hit the middle ages we will start seeing the first results of sporting such an unhealthy lifestyle. StarCraft is so cool, and the whole progaming thing is really exciting, but signs like these do worry me. 12- 14 hours worth of such a hectic and tense practice as playing StarCraft every day has to be bad for your nerve system.
I was livid when Oov beat BoxeR. The guy never really impressed me much. Sure, the guy knew how to keep his units alive during the first ten minutes of a match and let his expos run over the competition, but bleh. Almost forgot to mention is siiick TvZ record. That was before July creamed him.
I hope he gets well soon too. I don't want him to have to forfeit his games.
On July 15 2009 22:04 zazen wrote: I have no doubt playing SC for - I don't know, 12 hours a day - Can screw you up very, very bad! I wonder if these guys do anything at all to take care of their health...
As we know, Koreans think that sleep = loss of time so 4-6 hours should be enough for them.
don't make basis on race
Korean isnt a race....try again
This confuses me. I thought Koreans could be categorized as a race.
On July 15 2009 22:04 zazen wrote: I have no doubt playing SC for - I don't know, 12 hours a day - Can screw you up very, very bad! I wonder if these guys do anything at all to take care of their health...
As we know, Koreans think that sleep = loss of time so 4-6 hours should be enough for them.
don't make basis on race
Korean isnt a race....try again
This confuses me. I thought Koreans could be categorized as a race.
On July 15 2009 22:04 zazen wrote: I have no doubt playing SC for - I don't know, 12 hours a day - Can screw you up very, very bad! I wonder if these guys do anything at all to take care of their health...
As we know, Koreans think that sleep = loss of time so 4-6 hours should be enough for them.
don't make basis on race
Korean isnt a race....try again
This confuses me. I thought Koreans could be categorized as a race.
it's a nationality
South Koreans and North Koreans are a nationality. Koreans are an ethnicity and a race... aren't they? I'm baffled because I'm sure this is true.
and uhm.... i feel kinda bad for saying this, could they get Julyzerg to replace oov's place in the tourney if oov can't participate in his matches? :o
Pshh... during finals week I go most nights with 2-3 hours of sleep total while sometimes going a straight 48 hours without sleeping whatsoever (coupled with 5 hour energies and monsters). While I do feel like shit and I've even thrown up, I've never needed to be rushed to the hospital. I can't imagine progamers consistently getting less than 5-6 hours of sleep, which is what a lot of college students get. Maybe it's the body fatigue from working so hard during the day, although I still can't imagine SC to be that stressful either.
On July 16 2009 07:58 FabledIntegral wrote: Pshh... during finals week I go most nights with 2-3 hours of sleep total while sometimes going a straight 48 hours without sleeping whatsoever (coupled with 5 hour energies and monsters). While I do feel like shit and I've even thrown up, I've never needed to be rushed to the hospital. I can't imagine progamers consistently getting less than 5-6 hours of sleep, which is what a lot of college students get. Maybe it's the body fatigue from working so hard during the day, although I still can't imagine SC to be that stressful either.
Dude. Seriously, you'd be surprised.
It's like chess where they had this final where a kasparov and karpov played for such a long period that karpov just collapsed or something? Not sure but I think thats what happens. Extremely heavy concentration at their level is seriously draining.
On July 16 2009 07:58 FabledIntegral wrote: Pshh... during finals week I go most nights with 2-3 hours of sleep total while sometimes going a straight 48 hours without sleeping whatsoever (coupled with 5 hour energies and monsters). While I do feel like shit and I've even thrown up, I've never needed to be rushed to the hospital. I can't imagine progamers consistently getting less than 5-6 hours of sleep, which is what a lot of college students get. Maybe it's the body fatigue from working so hard during the day, although I still can't imagine SC to be that stressful either.
On July 15 2009 22:04 zazen wrote: I have no doubt playing SC for - I don't know, 12 hours a day - Can screw you up very, very bad! I wonder if these guys do anything at all to take care of their health...
As we know, Koreans think that sleep = loss of time so 4-6 hours should be enough for them.
don't make basis on race
Korean isnt a race....try again
This confuses me. I thought Koreans could be categorized as a race.
it's a nationality
South Koreans and North Koreans are a nationality. Koreans are an ethnicity and a race... aren't they? I'm baffled because I'm sure this is true.
Hm? Korean is an ethnicity, not a race. Race is just a skin colour, black, white, Asian [why not yellow? breaking the theme], aborginal, yada yada. Saying Korean is a race is like saying the English are a race unto themselves, but they arent, their just whites, like koreans are just asians.
Edit: Guess ill make a post actually on topic, I highly highly doubt this is just a case of over working. Lets face it, oovs been in the business a while. Hes older sure, but he knows his limits, and the consequences of pushing them. AFAIK hes never been rushed to the hospital before- very few have. I think silent control passed out once from lack of food, but thats it. I just dont see how, being a coach, an ex player, having all this experience and experienced people around him, he could so drastically mismanage his health. It's got to be something worse. My dads friend got an aneruysem in his brain just like, a week ago....similar symptoms.
On July 15 2009 22:04 zazen wrote: I have no doubt playing SC for - I don't know, 12 hours a day - Can screw you up very, very bad! I wonder if these guys do anything at all to take care of their health...
As we know, Koreans think that sleep = loss of time so 4-6 hours should be enough for them.
don't make basis on race
Korean isnt a race....try again
This confuses me. I thought Koreans could be categorized as a race.
it's a nationality
South Koreans and North Koreans are a nationality. Koreans are an ethnicity and a race... aren't they? I'm baffled because I'm sure this is true.
Hm? Korean is an ethnicity, not a race. Race is just a skin colour, black, white, Asian [why not yellow? breaking the theme], aborginal, yada yada. Saying Korean is a race is like saying the English are a race unto themselves, but they arent, their just whites, like koreans are just asians.
Well this is interesting. My understanding of race has always been by the following definitions, taken from dictionary.com
1. "a group of persons related by common descent or heredity." 2. "an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups." 3. "any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race." 4. "a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race."
In fact, I wouldn't regard "whites" or "blacks" as a race. That IS just skin color. At this point, I actually think your definition of "race" is misinformed, and possibly you're not the only one to be so mistaken. (no offense meant)
At least that's finally solved. I couldn't help getting to the bottom of this.
my aunt has those, and she had a stroke T_T her blood pressure sky rockets.. ruh roh..
maybe he can't make any more supply depots and isn't the macro monster anymore okay, that wasn't funny at all. hope he gets better though and nothings wrong =/
Sounds like a migraine to me. Whenever my peripheral vision gets blurry I know in about 30 minutes my head is going to feel like it is exploding. A couple times I have thrown up as well.
Lack of sleep and staring at a computer screen for too long seem to promote migraines for me as well. I hope it is just a migraine and not something more serious.
I really hope he'll get better before the 20th. I'm sure it shouldn't be too serious since it's just a lack of sleep, which he should be getting during his hospital stay. But I wonder how well he'll play after staying in bed for a few days and not practicing :/
On July 15 2009 22:04 zazen wrote: I have no doubt playing SC for - I don't know, 12 hours a day - Can screw you up very, very bad! I wonder if these guys do anything at all to take care of their health...
As we know, Koreans think that sleep = loss of time so 4-6 hours should be enough for them.
don't make basis on race
Korean isnt a race....try again
This confuses me. I thought Koreans could be categorized as a race.
it's a nationality
South Koreans and North Koreans are a nationality. Koreans are an ethnicity and a race... aren't they? I'm baffled because I'm sure this is true.
Hm? Korean is an ethnicity, not a race. Race is just a skin colour, black, white, Asian [why not yellow? breaking the theme], aborginal, yada yada. Saying Korean is a race is like saying the English are a race unto themselves, but they arent, their just whites, like koreans are just asians.
Well this is interesting. My understanding of race has always been by the following definitions, taken from dictionary.com
1. "a group of persons related by common descent or heredity." 2. "an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups." 3. "any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race." 4. "a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race."
In fact, I wouldn't regard "whites" or "blacks" as a race. That IS just skin color. At this point, I actually think your definition of "race" is misinformed, and possibly you're not the only one to be so mistaken. (no offense meant)
At least that's finally solved. I couldn't help getting to the bottom of this.
Lol are you fucking nuts? Race is entirely an arbitrary social classification and has nothing to do with anything else. How am I misinformed by speaking proper modern day english and using the correct implications of said common usage? Your pulling shit out of your ass.
Cluster headaches? Maybe 'sleep disorder' is something more along the lines of hypothalamus and circadian rhythm cycles? Last year I saw a neurologist after my doctors had no clue, and I got a full on MRI (clean as a whistle, no tumors here!) to find out that was what I was having (Horrible headaches every few hours, loss of balance and blurred vision, but they can present somewhat differently in different people)... SOOOOOO very glad I have medical insurance because it saved me $1,600 in scans and neurologist fees.
To sum up what happened, saw specialist, specialist says: get your sleep schedule regular and they will go away, but yeah... there's not really anything you can do about it, for some people it works to take caffeine every morning. It helps regulate the hypothalamus and reduces occurrence for some people. Still no real proven technique of dealing with them.
LOL me neither nttea. Koreans are so hardcore it is sickening. I really don't think this is that serious of a problem though, as long as the pro gamers eventually sleep.. and don't sleep for like 1 hour.. they should be fine staying up long periods of time.
This really makes me wonder if something else is going on... like how many kids in the progamer houses have aderol or ritalin prescriptions...
On July 15 2009 22:04 zazen wrote: I have no doubt playing SC for - I don't know, 12 hours a day - Can screw you up very, very bad! I wonder if these guys do anything at all to take care of their health...
As we know, Koreans think that sleep = loss of time so 4-6 hours should be enough for them.
don't make basis on race
Korean isnt a race....try again
This confuses me. I thought Koreans could be categorized as a race.
it's a nationality
South Koreans and North Koreans are a nationality. Koreans are an ethnicity and a race... aren't they? I'm baffled because I'm sure this is true.
Hm? Korean is an ethnicity, not a race. Race is just a skin colour, black, white, Asian [why not yellow? breaking the theme], aborginal, yada yada. Saying Korean is a race is like saying the English are a race unto themselves, but they arent, their just whites, like koreans are just asians.
Well this is interesting. My understanding of race has always been by the following definitions, taken from dictionary.com
1. "a group of persons related by common descent or heredity." 2. "an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups." 3. "any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race." 4. "a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race."
In fact, I wouldn't regard "whites" or "blacks" as a race. That IS just skin color. At this point, I actually think your definition of "race" is misinformed, and possibly you're not the only one to be so mistaken. (no offense meant)
At least that's finally solved. I couldn't help getting to the bottom of this.
Lol are you fucking nuts? Race is entirely an arbitrary social classification and has nothing to do with anything else. How am I misinformed by speaking proper modern day english and using the correct implications of said common usage? Your pulling shit out of your ass.
Yeah it's largely a social classification BUT for example blacks are in general much better runners than other "races" and it doesn't only come down to training I would guess.
On July 17 2009 06:07 Diomedes wrote: Seems to me progaming teams are ignorant of how to practice.
yeah, that's why gamers playing on these progaming teams have consistently shown inferior results relative to non-professional gamers with different training regimens.
On July 17 2009 06:07 Diomedes wrote: Seems to me progaming teams are ignorant of how to practice.
yeah, that's why gamers playing on these progaming teams have consistently shown inferior results relative to non-professional gamers with different training regimens.
You know that isn't fair. The fact that they do so well in starcraft doesn't mean that it is because of them practicing 12-14+ hours a day instead of 8-10. There are plenty of other factors there.
On July 21 2009 10:10 natturner wrote: so how's this gonna affect the tournament? are they just gonna have continue with a 4 person group or are they gonna find a replacement?
On July 21 2009 10:10 natturner wrote: so how's this gonna affect the tournament? are they just gonna have continue with a 4 person group or are they gonna find a replacement?
Sub july gogogogo
July would destroy them all. That wouldn't be fair.
On July 21 2009 10:10 natturner wrote: so how's this gonna affect the tournament? are they just gonna have continue with a 4 person group or are they gonna find a replacement?
Sub july gogogogo
July would destroy them all. That wouldn't be fair.
July is my fav player but I have to agree, why not Xellos or Chojja though
On July 21 2009 10:10 natturner wrote: so how's this gonna affect the tournament? are they just gonna have continue with a 4 person group or are they gonna find a replacement?
Sub july gogogogo
July would destroy them all. That wouldn't be fair.
Hopefully Oov gets better, too little sleep=bad sleeping problems. Let that be a lesson to all of us mass SC gamers. 3/4 of the day playing SC is too much.
On July 22 2009 23:56 aznanimedude wrote: this makes me think of that one guy who actually DID faint in the booth and had to forfeit the game because he passed out
Anyone close with neverGG ask her if she could help us get him a card.
He definately deserves support. I highly doubt the conclusions in this update are going to be accurate after a full medical exam although I hope i'm wrong.
This is completely devastating. I know there's already so many amazing classic match ups but no iloveoov in a tourny like this just doesn't seem proper. I wish Heritage had 16 players to begin with. Get better oov!
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