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Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
July 12 2009 03:42 GMT
#61
Hes a very smart player. Wouldn't be surprised seeing him in a semi or quarter. But I don't think he has the raw mechanics required to win a bo5 against a S-Class player...however looking at Julys latest OSL anyone can win if they play smart
IRIS FIGHTING!!!
JDizz6688
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States177 Posts
July 12 2009 03:49 GMT
#62
As a zerg palyer and an STX Soul fan i've been a calm/july fan for along time now. Calm is so strong in proleague i've always said he's one of the best palyers to not have a title. people always tell me calm sucks, i hope calm can prove them wrong!!
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
July 12 2009 03:52 GMT
#63
On July 12 2009 11:58 Terranfan wrote:
I'm sorry, flash is just on a flash slump (Which means a 10 game streak in one matchup and 50% which is not terrible in the last ten gams). Calm will NOT beat JD or bisu. JD's ZvZ is 80%. Bisu, vs Zerg is 65%. Calm's Overall is 54%, his Vs z is 53% and his Vs P is 56%. He is a B+ player. He is above average but he ain't anywhere near S-class. Also despite ZvP being his best machup it's also the one where he has played the least games. No way will calm win the MSL. No. Just No.



Bisu(and free in 1 game in october) is the only Protoss to beat Calm since the start of this PL season. Calm is an STX zerg and like any STX Zerg he fucking destroys Protoss players. Since October of 2008 he has gone 14-5 vs Protoss or ~74%. You are looking too much into his career stats. He's been around for a while true, but since October of last year Calm has been on fire. In 2009 so far he has a 68.9% winning ratio.

Although as we have seen again and again with Leta and Effort, that doesn't mean shit till you start to compete in leagues. And this is the 1st time Calm has gone past the Ro32 in a league. I feel he has a strong chance vs anyone except for Jaedong (as no zerg does :\). In a Bo5 I feel that Calm can take down Bisu.

I really love watching Calm play, he is currently my favorite player to watch right now, especially with the few appearances that July has been making lately, Calm has really taken the torch as the most creative/fun-to-watch Zerg lately.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
July 12 2009 03:59 GMT
#64
Anyone else think that Calm suddenly got really good because July moved to STX and showed him what's what?
Free Palestine
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
July 12 2009 04:06 GMT
#65
On July 12 2009 12:59 Ideas wrote:
Anyone else think that Calm suddenly got really good because July moved to STX and showed him what's what?


Completely agree, after July joined STX suddenly has a stacked zerg lineup in calm, modesty, hero, himself. Hes done a lot for that team.
OMG you nasty gurl
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
July 12 2009 22:22 GMT
#66
On July 12 2009 12:35 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 02:01 Foucault wrote:
Any zerg that rules in ZvT and is good at ZvZ will easily become a monster in ZvP because the MU is easier than the other two.

yarnc??


lol yeah
pretty silly comment from foucault anyways...

Anyways I don't think Calm's ZvP is the main problem but his ZvZ..

Doesn't even need to be JD, effort would take care of him ez as well.
beep boop
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-12 22:33:01
July 12 2009 22:31 GMT
#67
I doubt Calm can take down Effort too.

On July 12 2009 11:58 Terranfan wrote:
I'm sorry, flash is just on a flash slump (Which means a 10 game streak in one matchup and 50% which is not terrible in the last ten gams). Calm will NOT beat JD or bisu. JD's ZvZ is 80%. Bisu, vs Zerg is 65%. Calm's Overall is 54%, his Vs z is 53% and his Vs P is 56%. He is a B+ player. He is above average but he ain't anywhere near S-class. Also despite ZvP being his best machup it's also the one where he has played the least games. No way will calm win the MSL. No. Just No.


Calm a B+ player, rofl
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SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
July 12 2009 22:39 GMT
#68
On July 12 2009 12:42 Marine50 wrote:
Hes a very smart player. Wouldn't be surprised seeing him in a semi or quarter. But I don't think he has the raw mechanics required to win a bo5 against a S-Class player...however looking at Julys latest OSL anyone can win if they play smart


or have bad opponents
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BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
July 12 2009 23:00 GMT
#69
I've always liked Calm. Fun player to watch.
ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
July 12 2009 23:31 GMT
#70
On July 13 2009 07:31 SuperArc wrote:
I doubt Calm can take down Effort too.

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 11:58 Terranfan wrote:
I'm sorry, flash is just on a flash slump (Which means a 10 game streak in one matchup and 50% which is not terrible in the last ten gams). Calm will NOT beat JD or bisu. JD's ZvZ is 80%. Bisu, vs Zerg is 65%. Calm's Overall is 54%, his Vs z is 53% and his Vs P is 56%. He is a B+ player. He is above average but he ain't anywhere near S-class. Also despite ZvP being his best machup it's also the one where he has played the least games. No way will calm win the MSL. No. Just No.


Calm a B+ player, rofl


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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-12 23:58:43
July 12 2009 23:46 GMT
#71
On July 12 2009 11:58 Terranfan wrote:
I'm sorry, flash is just on a flash slump (Which means a 10 game streak in one matchup and 50% which is not terrible in the last ten gams). Calm will NOT beat JD or bisu. JD's ZvZ is 80%. Bisu, vs Zerg is 65%. Calm's Overall is 54%, his Vs z is 53% and his Vs P is 56%. He is a B+ player. He is above average but he ain't anywhere near S-class. Also despite ZvP being his best machup it's also the one where he has played the least games. No way will calm win the MSL. No. Just No.

hahahaha

"I clearly know all I need to about a player's skill by their all time win record."

If your understanding of the game is so limited that all you process is win-loss statistics, take a look at this:

On July 09 2009 01:21 integral wrote:
One thing I've been doing lately just out of my own curiosity is tracking how players have been performing over particular stretches of time during their career. It's pretty interesting to follow these trends and see how they coincide with the recent kespa and power ranks. Here are how notable players have been doing in 2009.

(P)Bisu 70 - 27 (72.16%) - [213-119 (64.16%)]
(Z)Jaedong 75 - 29 (72.12%) - [241-109 (68.86%)]
(Z)EffOrt 36 - 14 (72.00%) - [59-30 (66.29%)]
(P)Violet 17 - 7 (70.83%) - [23-23 (50.00%)]
(Z)Calm 32 - 15 (68.09%) - [76-65 (53.90%)]
(T)Flash 55 - 26 (67.90%) - [188-92 (67.14%)]
(T)fantasy 38 - 21 (64.41%) - [74-51 (59.20%)]
(Z)Kwanro 25 - 14 (64.10%) - [53-45 (54.08%)]
(T)Leta 42 - 27 (60.87%) - [86-49 (63.70%)]
(Z)July 20 - 13 (60.61%) - [248 - 181 (57.81%)]
(T)Hwasin 32 - 21 (60.38%) - [177-141 (55.66%)]
(T)sKyHigh 32 - 21 (60.38%) - [45-34 (56.96%)]
(T)Canata 18 - 12 (60.00%) - [75-66 (53.19%)]
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] 34 - 23 (59.65%) - [128 - 111 (53.56%)]
(T)Light 36 - 25 (59.02%) - [123 - 106 (53.71%)]
(P)Kal 31 - 23 (57.41%) - [121-89 (57.62%)]


Calm's been my favorite player for a long time. Do I honestly think he's a favorite to win the MSL? No. He's up against the best talents to ever play Starcraft. I do, however, think he has a legitimate shot. Especially if he doesn't have to face Jaedong.
Pojo
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada27 Posts
July 13 2009 07:03 GMT
#72
As great as Calm has been doing lately I don't think this season will be his. There's too much stiff Zerg competition left for him to battle through if he can get passed fOrGG, which is very likely.

There's definately been a huge improvement in his skill and it doesn't seem to be declining anytime soon. I can definately see a title in the lads future. It wouldn't be disapointing by any means if this were to come true.
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TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
July 13 2009 07:08 GMT
#73
On July 13 2009 08:46 3clipse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 11:58 Terranfan wrote:
I'm sorry, flash is just on a flash slump (Which means a 10 game streak in one matchup and 50% which is not terrible in the last ten gams). Calm will NOT beat JD or bisu. JD's ZvZ is 80%. Bisu, vs Zerg is 65%. Calm's Overall is 54%, his Vs z is 53% and his Vs P is 56%. He is a B+ player. He is above average but he ain't anywhere near S-class. Also despite ZvP being his best machup it's also the one where he has played the least games. No way will calm win the MSL. No. Just No.

hahahaha

"I clearly know all I need to about a player's skill by their all time win record."

If your understanding of the game is so limited that all you process is win-loss statistics, take a look at this:

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 01:21 integral wrote:
One thing I've been doing lately just out of my own curiosity is tracking how players have been performing over particular stretches of time during their career. It's pretty interesting to follow these trends and see how they coincide with the recent kespa and power ranks. Here are how notable players have been doing in 2009.

(P)Bisu 70 - 27 (72.16%) - [213-119 (64.16%)]
(Z)Jaedong 75 - 29 (72.12%) - [241-109 (68.86%)]
(Z)EffOrt 36 - 14 (72.00%) - [59-30 (66.29%)]
(P)Violet 17 - 7 (70.83%) - [23-23 (50.00%)]
(Z)Calm 32 - 15 (68.09%) - [76-65 (53.90%)]
(T)Flash 55 - 26 (67.90%) - [188-92 (67.14%)]
(T)fantasy 38 - 21 (64.41%) - [74-51 (59.20%)]
(Z)Kwanro 25 - 14 (64.10%) - [53-45 (54.08%)]
(T)Leta 42 - 27 (60.87%) - [86-49 (63.70%)]
(Z)July 20 - 13 (60.61%) - [248 - 181 (57.81%)]
(T)Hwasin 32 - 21 (60.38%) - [177-141 (55.66%)]
(T)sKyHigh 32 - 21 (60.38%) - [45-34 (56.96%)]
(T)Canata 18 - 12 (60.00%) - [75-66 (53.19%)]
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] 34 - 23 (59.65%) - [128 - 111 (53.56%)]
(T)Light 36 - 25 (59.02%) - [123 - 106 (53.71%)]
(P)Kal 31 - 23 (57.41%) - [121-89 (57.62%)]


Calm's been my favorite player for a long time. Do I honestly think he's a favorite to win the MSL? No. He's up against the best talents to ever play Starcraft. I do, however, think he has a legitimate shot. Especially if he doesn't have to face Jaedong.

If Calm and Effort both win their Ro16 matches (likely), they'll be facing each other. GG
Arf
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
July 13 2009 07:18 GMT
#74
im rooting for piano for this msl's dark horse
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
July 13 2009 07:19 GMT
#75
On July 13 2009 16:18 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
im rooting for piano for this msl's dark horse


you and realpenguin alone
Free Palestine
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
July 13 2009 08:48 GMT
#76
On July 13 2009 16:08 TwoStep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2009 08:46 3clipse wrote:
On July 12 2009 11:58 Terranfan wrote:
I'm sorry, flash is just on a flash slump (Which means a 10 game streak in one matchup and 50% which is not terrible in the last ten gams). Calm will NOT beat JD or bisu. JD's ZvZ is 80%. Bisu, vs Zerg is 65%. Calm's Overall is 54%, his Vs z is 53% and his Vs P is 56%. He is a B+ player. He is above average but he ain't anywhere near S-class. Also despite ZvP being his best machup it's also the one where he has played the least games. No way will calm win the MSL. No. Just No.

hahahaha

"I clearly know all I need to about a player's skill by their all time win record."

If your understanding of the game is so limited that all you process is win-loss statistics, take a look at this:

On July 09 2009 01:21 integral wrote:
One thing I've been doing lately just out of my own curiosity is tracking how players have been performing over particular stretches of time during their career. It's pretty interesting to follow these trends and see how they coincide with the recent kespa and power ranks. Here are how notable players have been doing in 2009.

(P)Bisu 70 - 27 (72.16%) - [213-119 (64.16%)]
(Z)Jaedong 75 - 29 (72.12%) - [241-109 (68.86%)]
(Z)EffOrt 36 - 14 (72.00%) - [59-30 (66.29%)]
(P)Violet 17 - 7 (70.83%) - [23-23 (50.00%)]
(Z)Calm 32 - 15 (68.09%) - [76-65 (53.90%)]
(T)Flash 55 - 26 (67.90%) - [188-92 (67.14%)]
(T)fantasy 38 - 21 (64.41%) - [74-51 (59.20%)]
(Z)Kwanro 25 - 14 (64.10%) - [53-45 (54.08%)]
(T)Leta 42 - 27 (60.87%) - [86-49 (63.70%)]
(Z)July 20 - 13 (60.61%) - [248 - 181 (57.81%)]
(T)Hwasin 32 - 21 (60.38%) - [177-141 (55.66%)]
(T)sKyHigh 32 - 21 (60.38%) - [45-34 (56.96%)]
(T)Canata 18 - 12 (60.00%) - [75-66 (53.19%)]
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] 34 - 23 (59.65%) - [128 - 111 (53.56%)]
(T)Light 36 - 25 (59.02%) - [123 - 106 (53.71%)]
(P)Kal 31 - 23 (57.41%) - [121-89 (57.62%)]


Calm's been my favorite player for a long time. Do I honestly think he's a favorite to win the MSL? No. He's up against the best talents to ever play Starcraft. I do, however, think he has a legitimate shot. Especially if he doesn't have to face Jaedong.

If Calm and Effort both win their Ro16 matches (likely), they'll be facing each other. GG

FUUUUUUUUUUU
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
July 13 2009 15:23 GMT
#77
i think calm maybe taking a page outta July's books yes?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
LingKing
Profile Joined July 2009
United States44 Posts
July 13 2009 17:02 GMT
#78
Wow@ the game between Calm and Flash. I've never seen flash lose like that.

Calm looks promising.
Hesitation is always the last mistake
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
July 13 2009 17:11 GMT
#79
On July 13 2009 16:08 TwoStep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2009 08:46 3clipse wrote:
On July 12 2009 11:58 Terranfan wrote:
I'm sorry, flash is just on a flash slump (Which means a 10 game streak in one matchup and 50% which is not terrible in the last ten gams). Calm will NOT beat JD or bisu. JD's ZvZ is 80%. Bisu, vs Zerg is 65%. Calm's Overall is 54%, his Vs z is 53% and his Vs P is 56%. He is a B+ player. He is above average but he ain't anywhere near S-class. Also despite ZvP being his best machup it's also the one where he has played the least games. No way will calm win the MSL. No. Just No.

hahahaha

"I clearly know all I need to about a player's skill by their all time win record."

If your understanding of the game is so limited that all you process is win-loss statistics, take a look at this:

On July 09 2009 01:21 integral wrote:
One thing I've been doing lately just out of my own curiosity is tracking how players have been performing over particular stretches of time during their career. It's pretty interesting to follow these trends and see how they coincide with the recent kespa and power ranks. Here are how notable players have been doing in 2009.

(P)Bisu 70 - 27 (72.16%) - [213-119 (64.16%)]
(Z)Jaedong 75 - 29 (72.12%) - [241-109 (68.86%)]
(Z)EffOrt 36 - 14 (72.00%) - [59-30 (66.29%)]
(P)Violet 17 - 7 (70.83%) - [23-23 (50.00%)]
(Z)Calm 32 - 15 (68.09%) - [76-65 (53.90%)]
(T)Flash 55 - 26 (67.90%) - [188-92 (67.14%)]
(T)fantasy 38 - 21 (64.41%) - [74-51 (59.20%)]
(Z)Kwanro 25 - 14 (64.10%) - [53-45 (54.08%)]
(T)Leta 42 - 27 (60.87%) - [86-49 (63.70%)]
(Z)July 20 - 13 (60.61%) - [248 - 181 (57.81%)]
(T)Hwasin 32 - 21 (60.38%) - [177-141 (55.66%)]
(T)sKyHigh 32 - 21 (60.38%) - [45-34 (56.96%)]
(T)Canata 18 - 12 (60.00%) - [75-66 (53.19%)]
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] 34 - 23 (59.65%) - [128 - 111 (53.56%)]
(T)Light 36 - 25 (59.02%) - [123 - 106 (53.71%)]
(P)Kal 31 - 23 (57.41%) - [121-89 (57.62%)]


Calm's been my favorite player for a long time. Do I honestly think he's a favorite to win the MSL? No. He's up against the best talents to ever play Starcraft. I do, however, think he has a legitimate shot. Especially if he doesn't have to face Jaedong.

If Calm and Effort both win their Ro16 matches (likely), they'll be facing each other. GG

Isn't the Ro8 arranged by Kespa ranking? If so, they won't be likely to face each other next round...
TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-13 17:14:51
July 13 2009 17:12 GMT
#80
On July 12 2009 02:12 o[twist] wrote:
Thanks so much. so if the winners from the first matches continue winning it'll be

Jaedong/Canata v. Effort/Calm
Bisu/Iris v. Zero/Kwanro

? Oh, are you assuming Flash will win?
Then it'd be
Jaedong/Canata v. Effort/Zero
Bisu/Iris v. Flash/Calm
Arf
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