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Hittegods
Stockholm4641 Posts
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On August 14 2009 00:08 darkemperor wrote: Hehe.. where is this guy? I wonder if he watched the games today  I'm glad Calm won... That way fanboys can cry. Crying fanboys > me being wrong | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 14 2009 04:45 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Yeah ZvT builds he made are so well fitted to todays aggressive Terran builds. Don't aggressive builds for terran counter aggressive builds for zerg? Like 1 base terran vs 1 base Zerg. Even 1 base terran vs 2 hatch zerg low econ. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On August 14 2009 05:00 Hittegods wrote: The builds he used today definately added some flair to ZvZ, at least for me. Almost revolutionary, considering how ridiculously tight ZvZ is. Yes, I think he may be shifting the paradigm to a more aggressive ZvZ style. +1 mutas, overpool>12 pool, this is very exciting. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
On August 14 2009 05:00 Hittegods wrote: The builds he used today definately added some flair to ZvZ, at least for me. Almost revolutionary, considering how ridiculously tight ZvZ is. How were they revolutionary? The only tangible and conspicuous difference was the muta +1 attack, which isn't really revolutionary at all because the games in which Calm went +1 attack, he would have won without it. From what I remember, on Outsider, Jaedong failed his 9pool aggression against gaspool, so he lost. Nothing new there. Gaspool is "supposed to" beat 9pool. If your 9pool doesn't do enough damage and both players go mutas, the gaspool player will pump so many mutas it's not even comparable. Jaedong did what any smart Zerg would do, but failed in execution unfortunately. On Heartbreak, Jaedong went 12pool expo against 9pool aggression and was damaged by it. He lost the game when he had to drone drill to save his main. Nothing new there either. If 9pool doesn't do damage against 12pool expo, 9pool is "supposed to" lose. Calm did what every smart Zerg going 9pool against 12pool expo would have done. The hiding lings trick was definitely extra-smart though. EDIT: Before you flame me for taking away Calm's win, I want to say that I'm not trying to take away Calm's win. Not many Zergs know how to play right against Jaedong and clearly, Calm did the best responses to Jaedong's mistakes. Beating Jaedong was very smart. I'm just saying that what Calm is not the level of "revolutionary". It's just solid ZvZ play that we would have instead expected from Jaedong. | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
But yeah, I didn't see anything really revolutionary in those games. And +1 attack is generally considered to be not as good as +1 carapace; although attack is slightly cheaper +1 carapace mutas beat +1 attack mutas, so I find it strange that Calm upgraded attack. | ||
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Ideas
United States8155 Posts
On August 14 2009 08:22 QuakerOats wrote: It's a shame how you have to add that disclaimer before five people post "you're just coming up with excuses for JD's losses and not giving Calm any credit." But yeah, I didn't see anything really revolutionary in those games. And +1 attack is generally considered to be not as good as +1 carapace; although attack is slightly cheaper +1 carapace mutas beat +1 attack mutas, so I find it strange that Calm upgraded attack. +1 attack is better vs scourge-heavy armies. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
doesn't +1 attack come out faster than +1 defense? and its also 50/50 cheaper | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
iris or kwanro ftw!!! | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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Ideas
United States8155 Posts
I'm so psyched that calm is in the finals. He defied all odds and came through the 2 toughest zvzers in the world in his worst matchup. I think it would of been much better if calm coulda played iris or bisu in the final to help prove his worthiness, but if calm wins I think its undeniable that he is a new dominate zerg on the scene right up there with jaedong. Also if calm wins, he will be the 1st player who came from stx to win a starleague. it will be history made, a team's years and years of growth and hard work finally coming to fruition. Calm has gained so much momentum in this league, and I hope it's just the beginning. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
Now for my favourite time of season - New maps and Offlines - Where the theory's begin. | ||
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FMGustave
United States81 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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