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omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
July 30 2009 06:47 GMT
#101
thanks for making this. calm was my favorite player to watch this PL season. every game i watched him play was so informative and always broke the monotony of standard play in PL. Back then he still lost to most of the big names he came across and some of them even made him look foolish. But he persevered and now he is poised to really prove himself.
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
July 30 2009 07:13 GMT
#102
Calm has a 12.5% chance of winning this MSL.
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-30 19:05:50
July 30 2009 13:01 GMT
#103
I can't believe he made it through effort so easily. The games didn't even make it to the muta stage, they were just outright bo wins...
I thought effort would dispatch him easily, but now I fear that even Jaedong might lose to him...
Sullifam
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
July 30 2009 13:16 GMT
#104
On July 30 2009 22:01 ghostWriter wrote:
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I can't believe he made it through effort so easily. The games didn't even make it to the muta stage, they were just outright bo wins...
I thought effort would dispatch him easily, but now I fear that even Jaedong might lose to him...


you don't win 3 bo wins in a bo5 vs jd, no sir.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
July 30 2009 13:21 GMT
#105
Can Calm beat Bisu? NO.
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
July 30 2009 13:23 GMT
#106
We will see.
But it's weird.
Honnestly today, Calm played really well but EffOrt played so bad. Really the match wasn't interesting to watch I think.
Jaedong vs Canata was more exciting

On July 30 2009 22:21 Garnet wrote:
Can Calm beat Bisu? NO.


Agree.
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10824 Posts
July 30 2009 13:35 GMT
#107
Overestimating Bisu a little?

He is not immortal in PvZ, at least not as much as he once was.
rA.Hippie
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Denmark714 Posts
July 30 2009 13:35 GMT
#108
Watch Calm get destroyed by JD 3-0 or 3-1 if he gets another easy bo win.
Sure I'm a fanboy, but.. it's gonna happen 8D
I love teh shisha.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
July 30 2009 13:37 GMT
#109
On July 30 2009 22:21 Garnet wrote:
Can Calm beat Bisu? NO.


its entirely possible. I mean he has JulyZerg to chat with on how to prep. And Kal to practice with.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
CoL_DarkstaR
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany649 Posts
July 30 2009 13:47 GMT
#110
okay wait, calm is good.

but jaedong is god.
Danka
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Peru1018 Posts
July 30 2009 14:21 GMT
#111
On July 30 2009 22:47 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
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okay wait, calm is good.

but jaedong is god.


okay wait, calm is good.

sure jaedong is god.

but bisu is gd.


Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog. - Mark Twain
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
July 30 2009 17:27 GMT
#112
On July 30 2009 23:21 Danka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2009 22:47 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
okay wait, calm is good.

but jaedong is god.


okay wait, calm is good.

sure jaedong is god.

but bisu is gd.



IdrA is g
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
July 30 2009 17:33 GMT
#113
lol ^^
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-30 17:41:55
July 30 2009 17:40 GMT
#114
there's no way Calm can beat JD in a Bo5 I feel :\. But I would say he could beat Bisu.

So glad he made it to the semi's though :D
Free Palestine
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
July 30 2009 18:09 GMT
#115
People really do go out of their minds when a player wins a couple of games. Yet nobody even questions how those games were won.

Effort's two losses today were build order losses. Sure, occasionally a Zerg can fight back from a 12-Hatch against a 9-pool. But this is rare and hard. Effort's loss here was basically luck. Any competent Zerg player ought to be able to win with a 9-pool vs. 12-Hatch.

So Calm's win doesn't prove anything, because of how he won.
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
July 30 2009 18:13 GMT
#116
Except he's really good at mind games. How is not limited to merely what's in game.
Jaedong
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6182 Posts
July 30 2009 18:19 GMT
#117
On July 30 2009 23:21 Danka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2009 22:47 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
okay wait, calm is good.

but jaedong is god.


okay wait, calm is good.

sure jaedong is god.

but bisu is gd.



:D lol
n_n
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
July 30 2009 18:28 GMT
#118
On July 31 2009 03:09 NicolBolas wrote:
People really do go out of their minds when a player wins a couple of games. Yet nobody even questions how those games were won.

Effort's two losses today were build order losses. Sure, occasionally a Zerg can fight back from a 12-Hatch against a 9-pool. But this is rare and hard. Effort's loss here was basically luck. Any competent Zerg player ought to be able to win with a 9-pool vs. 12-Hatch.

So Calm's win doesn't prove anything, because of how he won.


Effort was greedy, Calm anticipated this thus the 9 pool both games. Mind games Calm > Effort
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
July 30 2009 18:33 GMT
#119
On July 31 2009 03:28 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2009 03:09 NicolBolas wrote:
People really do go out of their minds when a player wins a couple of games. Yet nobody even questions how those games were won.

Effort's two losses today were build order losses. Sure, occasionally a Zerg can fight back from a 12-Hatch against a 9-pool. But this is rare and hard. Effort's loss here was basically luck. Any competent Zerg player ought to be able to win with a 9-pool vs. 12-Hatch.

So Calm's win doesn't prove anything, because of how he won.


Effort was greedy, Calm anticipated this thus the 9 pool both games. Mind games Calm > Effort


don't forget that game 1 was a completely straight-up win too.
Free Palestine
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
July 30 2009 18:54 GMT
#120
On July 31 2009 03:09 NicolBolas wrote:
People really do go out of their minds when a player wins a couple of games. Yet nobody even questions how those games were won.

Effort's two losses today were build order losses. Sure, occasionally a Zerg can fight back from a 12-Hatch against a 9-pool. But this is rare and hard. Effort's loss here was basically luck. Any competent Zerg player ought to be able to win with a 9-pool vs. 12-Hatch.

So Calm's win doesn't prove anything, because of how he won.

The thing is, Calm wins a whole lot of games like this. At this stage, you can't call it luck. The guy is strategically brilliant. No, his mechanics aren't S-class, but he's proven again and again that they don't need to be to take down top players.
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