• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:32
CET 15:32
KST 23:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Dark completes military service, returns to SC20[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage14Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Dark completes military service, returns to SC2 Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top? Liquibets sc2 season 30
Tourneys
soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament iNu's Battles #22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
Starcraft player cRuZa Passed away. List of top players active on ShieldBattery BW General Discussion [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool
Tourneys
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4 BWCL Season 65 Announcement [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL23] Ro16 Group C - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
List of Game Threads The PlayStation 5 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Can Game Data Analytics Help Players Improvements
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Trading/Investing Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? US Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 15769 users

[idea]Limit practice time for progamers?

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
May 29 2009 05:57 GMT
#1
--- Nuked ---
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 29 2009 05:58 GMT
#2
how is kespa going to enforce it though
geno
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1404 Posts
May 29 2009 05:59 GMT
#3
If they did this, then amateurs would become the best SC players and the magic would be lost
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
May 29 2009 06:02 GMT
#4
These huge amounts of practice and dedication are what make progamers progamers... basically its the same as if you were saying pro football players should stop practicing, or limit their practice.
U Gotta Skate.
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
May 29 2009 06:05 GMT
#5
--- Nuked ---
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
May 29 2009 06:06 GMT
#6
This is actually an interesting idea. But I think 5 is a little low. More like 8.6 would be good.

They should require the spare time to go towards education. Koreans would go for that (maybe some socialization too).
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
May 29 2009 06:08 GMT
#7
On May 29 2009 15:05 Jumperer wrote:
avg pro football players get paid much better than these guys and I doubt that they practice 15 hours a day everyday.


My step brother plays on a semi-pro handball team and i know for a fact that he excercises and practices for most of his waking hours... of course he takes time off to have fun but so do progamers. Also I think you're being rather condescending to e-sports... progamers work hard to develop their skill and that is what keeps us entertained.
U Gotta Skate.
ZhenMiChan
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Netherlands1181 Posts
May 29 2009 06:09 GMT
#8
On May 29 2009 14:57 Jumperer wrote:
after reading jaedong bisu interview I began to realize how ridiculous and unhealthy it is to play for 10+ hours a day. These poor koreans are ruining their life and all that for what? a freaking video game?


Its there job not just a freaking video game ;/ ;/
Studying Chinese~
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
May 29 2009 06:09 GMT
#9
horrible idea to have any organization limit the amount of practice you can have.
and
impossible to enforce.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
May 29 2009 06:11 GMT
#10
How can they limit what progamers do in their free time though? Sure teams can be disallowed from forcing their players to practice 10 hours, but how can they stop players who desire to be great from practicing far beyond even that?
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
DrTJEckleburg
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1080 Posts
May 29 2009 06:11 GMT
#11
On May 29 2009 14:57 Jumperer wrote:
after reading jaedong bisu interview I began to realize how ridiculous and unhealthy it is to play for 10+ hours a day. These poor koreans are ruining their life and all that for what? a freaking video game?

if KESPA limits practice time to say 5 hours, I doubt nothing would change much for progamers. Bisu Jaedong Flash would still dominate. But now everyone have more free time to do something else with their life instead of PLAY all day.

this would also reward some of the old players like boxer who obviously cant play for 10+ hours a day everyday anymore. Foreigners should also benefit from this as well. Nony probably left korea because he doesnt want to play for 10+ hours a day.


I would obviously agree that doing ANYTHING over an extended period of time is unhealthy, no matter what it is. I might also agree with you that they are "ruining their lives over a freaking video game" because I would never want to dedicate my life to Starcraft such as they have. That's my opinion.

But I don't see the point in limiting their practicing time, it's their choice, they WANT to do this, KeSPA already dictates Starcraft, progamers don't need them dictating their lives either. 10+ hours of doing something you love in a day isn't really unheard of either, despite what your passion is. If you're going to limit it, I would say 8-10 hours would have to be the barrier because 5 is quite frankly much too low.

If Boxer can't play 10+ hours a day anymore to keep up with the level of play, then he just isn't fit for progaming anymore, a new generation so to speak I suppose. I don't know any top foreigners, but I'm sure quite a few of them put in A LOT of time into this game, I don't think that has much to do with the skill gap between Korea and foreigners compared to the fact that Starcraft is broadcasted on TV in Korea, which stresses how much bigger it is there than the rest of the world.

Im pretty good at whistling with my hands, especially when Im holding a whistle.
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
May 29 2009 06:15 GMT
#12
Yes because being respected and making a living is a waste of your life.
alt.tday
Profile Joined April 2009
United States180 Posts
May 29 2009 06:17 GMT
#13
They have a reason to practice over a "freaking game" (btw thats like saying tom brady wastes his time training for a "freaking sport" ur stupid). Anyways its only stupid that foreigners practice starcraft more than 4 hours a day. (if they do then they're losers with no life obviously). The koreans have a reason to since its their living. They get money if they do good. They're just doing their job. You cant tell them to stop doing that.
♠Spades ♣Clubs ♥Hearts ♦Diamonds ★★★★★
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
May 29 2009 06:23 GMT
#14
--- Nuked ---
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-29 06:30:43
May 29 2009 06:29 GMT
#15
LOL dude don't compare this to pitch counts in baseball. The two are not even in the same ballpark as far as their effect on players performance as they get older.

They aren't burnt out - they just got older. Mentally and physically a 20 year old is always going to be more capable of playing SC at the highest level than a 30+ year old is.
Moderator
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
May 29 2009 06:35 GMT
#16
On May 29 2009 15:29 p4NDemik wrote:
LOL dude don't compare this to pitch counts in baseball. The two are not even in the same ballpark as far as their effect on players performance as they get older.

They aren't burnt out - they just got older. Mentally and physically a 20 year old is always going to be more capable of playing SC at the highest level than a 30+ year old is.


This.
Seriously, part of becoming older is losing physical dexterity... while their minds may still be just as capable as before, their hands simply aren't as capable as when they were younger. I'm assuming that OP also didn't know that 70+ year olds were weaker and slower than 30 year olds?
U Gotta Skate.
Polyphasic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States841 Posts
May 29 2009 06:39 GMT
#17
On May 29 2009 15:23 Jumperer wrote:
look at boxer, iloveoov, xellos, yellow, reach, nada, savior, July and most old school players. Why can't they play like they play back in the day? Why is their multitasking crappier than younger players? They are burnt out, that's why. It's not because the competition got ridiculously better.


yes it is
can't making a relationship last longer than 2 weeks, since 1984 :thumbs:
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 29 2009 06:41 GMT
#18
There wouldn't be a jaedong, flash, bisu, etc if there were a limit to practice time...
and plus, these kids would practice on their free time anyways. Good luck stopping that.
ヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノDELETE ICEFROGヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12816 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-29 06:48:53
May 29 2009 06:46 GMT
#19
I think the thing is if I were bisu I wouldn't want to play less even if there is a limit because playing more is how he stays on the top and he'll continue to do so. Artificial limits like this is not a good idea. Why do baseball pitcher have pitch count is because by pitching too much they get hurt and their performance decreases as a result of excessive practice and that balance is not something people can artificially impose. If progammers find that they playing better by practicing abit less since they get more rest, they WILL DO IT and it's not up to anybody else to decide what amount of practice produces the optimal skill gain.
^too convoluted

Summary:
Progamemrs practice so they play best
If practicing too much hurt them, they will notice sooner than we do and they'll start playing less.
It's up to them to decide what amount of playing is healthy
If they do play unhealthily, they will start to play more badly, and they will notice, and they'll start to practice less if they feel they're practicing for too long.
Again, up to them to decide.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
May 29 2009 06:47 GMT
#20
--- Nuked ---
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
21:00
WardiTV Not-Summer Championshi
Lambo vs Shameless
TBD vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs PercivalLIVE!
WardiTV751
ComeBackTV 453
Rex96
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
elazer 165
Rex 96
Classic 21
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 34961
Calm 2950
Rain 1694
Jaedong 1486
Mini 798
EffOrt 753
Shuttle 717
Light 390
Zeus 351
Larva 324
[ Show more ]
Stork 247
Rush 232
firebathero 158
hero 98
Snow 81
Killer 74
PianO 70
Pusan 63
Hyun 63
Barracks 37
ToSsGirL 33
Movie 30
Aegong 27
Hm[arnc] 23
Terrorterran 22
sorry 21
Trap 16
Sacsri 15
910 15
soO 15
Noble 12
scan(afreeca) 10
Free 7
Dota 2
Gorgc5562
Dendi1527
monkeys_forever333
420jenkins28
Counter-Strike
kRYSTAL_34
Other Games
singsing1780
olofmeister1629
B2W.Neo945
Lowko369
Liquid`RaSZi345
hiko221
XaKoH 195
crisheroes178
QueenE88
ArmadaUGS77
Mew2King72
FrodaN66
KnowMe43
Railgan4
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 9
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1752
• WagamamaTV545
League of Legends
• Jankos2341
• TFBlade496
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 28m
OSC
8h 28m
ArT vs MindelVK
MiniZergUA vs TBD
Shameless vs TBD
Ultimate Battle
21h 28m
OSC
23h 28m
OSC
1d 8h
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
CranKy Ducklings
1d 19h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 21h
IPSL
2 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
BSL
2 days
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
IPSL
3 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
3 days
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-11
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.