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konadora *
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Singapore66153 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-15 12:02:39
April 14 2009 05:17 GMT
#1
Are the new maps to blame for the many 3:0 results?
"It is because the teams who have lost have yet to fully understand the new maps."


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3:0 results have been dished out one after another right from the start of the Round 4 of the Proleague.

All twelve teams have played in the three days from the opening day (11th) til the 13th, and among the 6 matches played, 5 games have resulted in a score of 3:0, which is equivalent to 83.3% of all the matches played.

There was intense competition to climb up the ranks even right before the start of Round 4, and many people expected fierce matches to happen.

But when the time came, many matches just progressed helplessly for the losing team. Excluding the opening day's match between Hwaseung Oz and Hite Sparkyz, which was dragged til the ace match and resulted in Hwaseung's 3:2 victory, the other games have all resulted in 3:0s.

Many coaching staffs and the commentators have pointed to the lack of complete understanding of the new maps being the key reason for such results. A coach whose team won 3:0 said that "the greatest difference between the winning and the losing team is the difference in understanding of the new maps". He also said that "the losing team, unlike our team, has totally opposite comprehension of the new maps", while commentators and casters explained that "despite all teams being given similar practice times, the team with a greater, deeper player pool and an absolute ace player has shown that they are superior by producing 3:0 victories."

But many people's opinions differed when asked if such results will continue to show. While some mentioned that "with the current standard of Progamers, they will analyse their own plays, watching VODs while creating new strategies for the new maps, hence being able to adjust even faster to the new maps", some said otherwise, saying that "because the (winning) teams had managed to analyse the maps well and sent out players accordingly right from the start, the understanding of the maps between teams will start to diverge."

Whether the 3:0 results can continue to be produced, it will be found out starting from Day 4 of Week 1 of the Round 4 of Proleague.

Round 4 has six of the eight old maps removed, and including an altered version of 'Medusa', called 'Neo Medusa', and the unchanged 'Destination', the other four maps that will be used in Round 4 will be 'Heartbreak Ridge', 'God's Garden', 'Battle Royal' and 'Outsider'.

▶ Results of the Shinhan Bank 08-09 Season Proleague Week 1, up til Day 3.
◆ 11th April
Hwaseung Oz 3 vs 2 Hite Sparkyz
Samsung Khan 3 vs 0 Woongjin Stars

◆ 12th April
WeMade FOX 3 vs 0 KTF MagicNs
STX Soul 3 vs 0 eSTRO

◆ 13th April
CJ Entus 3 vs 0 Air Force ACE
SKTelecom T1 3 vs 0 MBCGame Hero

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프로리그 4라운드, 초반부터 3:0 경기 속출은 신규맵 때문??
2009년 04월 13일 21시 11분

[포모스=심현 기자]팀별로 신규맵 이해도 차이에 따른 것으로 분석

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프로리그 4라운드 초반 3:0 경기가 속출하고 있다.

지난 11일 시작된 신한은행 프로리그 08-09 4라운드는 13일 경기로 12개 프로게임단이 모두 한 경기씩을 치르며 1주차 3경기가 종료된 상태에서 총 여섯 경기 가운데 83.3%에 달하는 다섯 경기가 3:0으로 마무리됐다.

전체 5라운드로 진행되는 프로리그 08-09 시즌은 4라운드 시작 전만 하더라도 본격적인 순위 다툼과 함께 포스트시즌 진출을 위한 경쟁 구도가 뜨거워지면서 치열한 접전이 펼쳐질 것으로 예상됐다.

그렇지만 뚜껑을 열어보니 결과는 다소 허무하게 진행됐다. 4라운드 첫 경기로 펼쳐진 11일 화승과 하이트전에서 에이스결정전까지 가는 풀세트 접전 끝에 3:2로 경기가 종료된 것을 제외하고는 1주차 3경기 현재 모든 경기에서 3:0 스코어가 나왔다.

이에 대해 각 팀 코칭스태프와 해설위원들은 신규맵의 도입을 가장 큰 원인으로 꼽았다. 3:0으로 승리를 거둔 팀의 A코치는 “패한 팀들과 승리한 팀들의 가장 큰 차이는 신규맵에 대한 이해도가 원인인 것으로 보인다. 4라운드 첫 경기에서 패한 B팀의 경우 우리 팀과는 정반대로 맵을 이해하고 있었다”는 의견을 내비쳤고, 해설위원들은 대체로 “선수들이 맵을 분석할 수 있는 시간은 팀들이 대부분 비슷했겠지만 완승을 거둔 팀들이 대체로 선수층이 두텁고 확실한 에이스 카드를 보유한 팀인 것을 보면 신규맵의 투입이 초반 잦은 3:0 완승에 영향을 미친 것 같다”며 동의하는 모습.

하지만 지금과 같은 현상이 앞으로도 지속될 것인지에 대해서는 의견이 다소 엇갈렸다. “현재 프로게이머들의 실력이라면 자신들의 경기 경험과 다른 팀들의 경기를 VOD를 통해 분석하면서 신규맵에 따른 전략, 전술을 금방 수정할 수 있을 것”이라는 의견이 있는 반면 “스토브 기간 동안 신규맵에 대한 이해와 적응을 마치고 난 뒤 시즌 초반 엔트리를 구성하고 각 맵에서의 전략을 수립했기 때문에 당분간은 맵 이해도에 따른 차이가 다소 극명하게 엇갈릴 것으로 보인다”고 전망한 사람들도 있었다.

과연 출발부터 3:0 경기가 연이어 탄생하고 있는 신한은행 프로리그 08-09 4라운드가 각 팀별로 두 번째 경기를 치르는 1주차 4경기부터는 어떤 양상으로 경기가 전개될 지 귀추가 주목된다.

한편 신한은행 프로리그 08-09 4라운드는 기존의 공식맵 8개 가운데 올드맵을 포함한 6개의 맵이 교체됐고, ‘네오메두사’로 수정된 메두사와 ‘데스티네이션’을 제외한 4개의 맵이 빠지고 ‘단장의능선’, ‘신의정원’, ‘배틀로얄’, ‘아웃사이더’가 새롭게 투입됐다.

▶ 신한은행 프로리그 4라운드 1주차 3경기 현재 경기결과
◆ 4월 11일
화승 3 vs 2 하이트
삼성전자 3 vs 0 웅진

◆ 4월 12일
위메이드 3 vs 0 KTF
STX 3 vs 0 이스트로

◆ 4월 13일
CJ 3 vs 0 공군
SK텔레콤 3 vs 0 MBC게임

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Enjoy e-Sports & http://www.fomos.kr 무단 전재 및 재배포 금지


Source: Fomos.kr

Update: As of the end of the 14th of April (KST), it has now become 6 out of 7 games resulting in 3:0.
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-14 05:21:04
April 14 2009 05:19 GMT
#2
Well isn't it the losing teams fault for not fully understanding the maps?

I don't see how the maps are to blame.

Anyway, thanks for the translation!
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5723 Posts
April 14 2009 05:23 GMT
#3
dont blame the maps (yet, even though i dont like some of them)

this is actually the best time, where people are showing what they are capable of even on unfamiliar ground

winners league is where the players dont know who's up next. what if they didnt know which MAP was up next? wouldn't that be interesting?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-14 05:32:10
April 14 2009 05:24 GMT
#4
"the team with a greater, deeper player pool and an absolute ace player has shown that they are superior by producing 3:0 victories."

◆ 12th April
WeMade FOX 3 vs 0 KTF MagicNs

Clearly

Also, many of the maps have multiple races winning of them, such as Outsider, Medusa, and HeartBreak Ridge.
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
April 14 2009 05:25 GMT
#5
Yea, I strongly disagree that "lack of complete understanding" is to blame. What about maps brought back, like Destination or Medusa?

But what do I know, these guys are at the edge of what is possible in the Starcraft world.
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 14 2009 06:03 GMT
#6
On April 14 2009 14:17 konadora wrote:
Many coaching staffs and the commentators have pointed to the lack of complete understanding of the new maps being the key reason for such results. A coach whose team won 3:0 said that "the greatest difference between the winning and the losing team is the difference in understanding of the new maps". He also said that "the losing team, unlike our team, has totally opposite comprehension of the new maps", while commentators and casters explained that "despite all teams being given similar practice times, the team with a greater, deeper player pool and an absolute ace player has shown that they are superior by producing 3:0 victories."



This is a really good point. A team with a deeper roster is far more likely to accurate predict how the metagame will shape up in untested waters, which probably gives a significant edge in both build orders and overall preparedness for the matchup. It would be interesting to go through proleagues of past and see if there is a trend or if this is just coincidence.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66153 Posts
April 14 2009 06:15 GMT
#7
I would really hope that they would dismantle their thought of 'standard build' and send out non-zergs on Battle Royal. That play by (P)Tempest was pretty cool.
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
April 14 2009 07:01 GMT
#8
Another thing the new maps are to blame for is producing a high percentage of entertaining games!
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
April 14 2009 07:19 GMT
#9
"the team with a greater, deeper player pool and an absolute ace player has shown that they are superior by producing 3:0 victories"
kinda sucks for ktf if their absolute ace player doesnt get to play T_T
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Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
April 14 2009 07:24 GMT
#10
this is hardly a statistical anomaly

dunno why anyone's making a big deal about it

far more than 5 3:0's occur every season, no reason why they couldn't occur at the start
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
April 14 2009 07:27 GMT
#11
On April 14 2009 14:19 Grobyc wrote:
Well isn't it the losing teams fault for not fully understanding the maps?

I don't see how the maps are to blame.

Anyway, thanks for the translation!

I agree. How can anyone blame the maps? The teams who dont understand the maps are the ones to be blamed.

On April 14 2009 16:19 Scaramanga wrote:
"the team with a greater, deeper player pool and an absolute ace player has shown that they are superior by producing 3:0 victories"
kinda sucks for ktf if their absolute ace player doesnt get to play T_T

i dont think that is quite what was meant. If the team has the ace player analyzing the map, then that team should do well because all players will benefit from that analysis and practice with the ace player. At least that is how I interpreted it.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51398 Posts
April 14 2009 07:32 GMT
#12
On April 14 2009 16:24 Day[9] wrote:
this is hardly a statistical anomaly

dunno why anyone's making a big deal about it

far more than 5 3:0's occur every season, no reason why they couldn't occur at the start


lets just say korean media got bored and decided this was a 'worthwhile' topic to talk about
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polarwolf
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
924 Posts
April 14 2009 11:18 GMT
#13
+ Show Spoiler +

today's matches were 3:0's also, so you might take a second look at that now.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
April 14 2009 11:34 GMT
#14
Blame the teams, not the maps
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mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
April 14 2009 12:00 GMT
#15
most new maps are protoss killers imo..
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-14 13:12:35
April 14 2009 12:08 GMT
#16
gods garden is good for protoss. outsider doesnt look too bad either. medusa is still of course good for protoss.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-14 23:22:06
April 14 2009 23:19 GMT
#17
On April 14 2009 20:18 polarwolf wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

today's matches were 3:0's also, so you might take a second look at that now.


+ Show Spoiler +
yea its insane now its 6/7

... although I still think this is gonna change relatively soon when all the teams know how theyre supposed to play on those maps
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dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
April 14 2009 23:47 GMT
#18
I hate God's garden. I think the main has 2 ramps that each leads to gas expos? And I liked tempest's play in Battle Royale, and Outsider basically is asking for mass dropship play, it almost is like an island map. And I don't think progamers should see that much of a difference on Neo Medusa because it is basically medusa with the ability to build in the middle, so expect stronger terran pushes.
funnybananaman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States830 Posts
April 15 2009 00:36 GMT
#19
once the teams get used to the new maps, i think the results should even out. on a side note, i hope to see something other than ZvZ action on battle royal, because i feel like many of the cool features of that map are irrelevant in ZvZ
Aurioch
Profile Joined January 2009
United States414 Posts
April 15 2009 07:04 GMT
#20
Didn't Samsung Khan lost 0 - 3 instead of winning 3 - 0?
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66153 Posts
April 15 2009 07:28 GMT
#21
On April 15 2009 16:04 Aurioch wrote:
Didn't Samsung Khan lost 0 - 3 instead of winning 3 - 0?


They won 3:0, then they lost 0:3.
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BaltA
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Norway849 Posts
April 15 2009 10:02 GMT
#22
I'vv tried the new maps, and I really liked them. GOMTV are using them, proleague are using them, so they have to be balanced !
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
April 15 2009 10:06 GMT
#23
Just wait and see how the maps turn out to be. It's too early to judge.
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Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
April 15 2009 15:12 GMT
#24
i sure after a while as player understand and has more proleauge match on it. the result will starting to change o_@
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Hammy
Profile Joined January 2009
France828 Posts
April 15 2009 17:10 GMT
#25
On April 15 2009 16:28 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2009 16:04 Aurioch wrote:
Didn't Samsung Khan lost 0 - 3 instead of winning 3 - 0?


They won 3:0, then they lost 0:3.


Wait so they understood the maps... then no longer understood them?

Anyways, whatever it may be, once there are enough games to study everyone should be pretty much on the same level. And it only makes sense that teams with more creative players/coaches should have an advantage at the beginning.
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