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ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
March 14 2009 02:06 GMT
#21
i've always hated coach cho

thanks for the interview!

Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
abakben
Profile Joined April 2007
United States308 Posts
March 14 2009 02:15 GMT
#22
I really do not like Lecaf coach. It looks like he only cares JD in the team.
Three big B's (BEST-BISU-BOXER) fighting for SKT1. All we need is a good zerg to dominate the Proleague:)
RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
March 14 2009 02:20 GMT
#23
KTF can finally win a match without Flash. And Flash could be not lined up for a game for the first time in god knows how long.
이영호 FIGHTING! Die Hard KT Rolster and Flash fan.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-14 02:24:18
March 14 2009 02:23 GMT
#24
What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in.

On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me.


In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea.

I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach.


It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
March 14 2009 02:25 GMT
#25
Did you talk to any of your former teammates about this after the news came out?
-Right after Fomos posted the news, I got some phone calls from my former teammates. They were very surprised, guess they didn’t know…


lol you'd think that a huge presence in the team like him would at least tell them and have a big going away party or something
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
March 14 2009 02:26 GMT
#26
On March 14 2009 07:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
PS Assorted articles have mentioned how ForGG and Oz’s Coach Cho have a strained relationship. Once, Coach Cho said something along the lines of “ForGG needs to perform better…” in an interview, and gave ForGG a warning during practice. After that, ForGG didn’t play much. The last time he played was on February 11th against ACE. Regarding this, fans have asked Coach Cho whether or not there are any issues before, but the coach said that there aren’t any issues, and also said that ForGG will not be transferred to another team…

fucked up coach, reminds me of OGN Coach vs Casy.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
March 14 2009 02:43 GMT
#27
On March 14 2009 11:23 BlackMagister wrote:
What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in.

Show nested quote +
On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:
On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me.


In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea.

I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach.


It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else.


Actually, my exact analogy was to other sports teams, which operate more or less the same way.

I'm guessing you don't really follow any team sports. If you do, you'd realize that underneath all that sportsmanship, comradrie, and bonding among players and coaches, it's still a business. And in the end players are just hired workers who are beneath the decision-makers.

The business side of sports is ugly.

And I also don't like Coach Cho. The whole thing about him and Jaedong at WCG was just creepy(by my admittedly biased western standard). Perhaps ForGG pissed him off by not rolling over against Jaedong in the Arena MSL?
Meh
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
March 14 2009 02:47 GMT
#28
What's the coach cho thing you're talking about @ wcg? I've never heard about any of this stuff before.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-14 03:04:43
March 14 2009 02:59 GMT
#29
On March 14 2009 11:43 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2009 11:23 BlackMagister wrote:
What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in.

On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:
On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me.


In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea.

I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach.


It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else.


Actually, my exact analogy was to other sports teams, which operate more or less the same way.

I'm guessing you don't really follow any team sports. If you do, you'd realize that underneath all that sportsmanship, comradrie, and bonding among players and coaches, it's still a business. And in the end players are just hired workers who are beneath the decision-makers.

The business side of sports is ugly.

And I also don't like Coach Cho. The whole thing about him and Jaedong at WCG was just creepy(by my admittedly biased western standard). Perhaps ForGG pissed him off by not rolling over against Jaedong in the Arena MSL?


Well I was thinking of business companies since you referred to that as well. Though even if it is just "business" in sports teams I'd still think they would tell others before they leave. Whether not it is "business" I'd think you would make at least some friends especially when you live with them. I mean some of ForGG's teammates messaged him and were shocked that he leaving for KTF so it does seem like they cared.

Plus you always hear in the interviews asking the progamers who they're close to on their team and even their talk about who outside their team who helped them practice. One line that's been said several times in different ways is "You'd be surprised how close the progamers are"

But you know ForGG might be the odd ball or hated by the coach like what's being discussed.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
March 14 2009 03:48 GMT
#30
On March 14 2009 11:43 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2009 11:23 BlackMagister wrote:
What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in.

On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:
On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me.


In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea.

I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach.


It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else.


Actually, my exact analogy was to other sports teams, which operate more or less the same way.

I'm guessing you don't really follow any team sports. If you do, you'd realize that underneath all that sportsmanship, comradrie, and bonding among players and coaches, it's still a business. And in the end players are just hired workers who are beneath the decision-makers.

The business side of sports is ugly.

And I also don't like Coach Cho. The whole thing about him and Jaedong at WCG was just creepy(by my admittedly biased western standard). Perhaps ForGG pissed him off by not rolling over against Jaedong in the Arena MSL?


Idk about other places but in Europe, in any teamsport I am aware of, a player has a right to choose if he wants to leave or not and the team has the same right as well. So basically both parties have to agree for the transfer to take place. I don't know what sports are you refering to but that's definitely the way in football, basketball, volleyball, 3 main team sports in Europe.

And yes, sport in the end is business but both parties, players and teams have their obligations. It's not that easy to fire a player unless his contract has expired. Otherwise you will have to pay him compensation which usually is huge.
SlayerS_`HackeR`
Profile Joined November 2008
United States190 Posts
March 14 2009 04:08 GMT
#31
KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA
- i pwn n00bs -
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
March 14 2009 04:15 GMT
#32
On March 14 2009 13:08 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA


Come on "T1 fan", SK is clearly the legend house: BoxeR, iloveoov, GoRush, Kingdom, IntoTheRainbow, Bisu
✌
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
March 14 2009 04:18 GMT
#33
Boxer wouldn't be who he is without YellOw, and SKT1 wouldn't be what it is without Boxer =d

Also KTF had Nada.
TranslatorBaa!
Braintricks
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
137 Posts
March 14 2009 04:23 GMT
#34
Stars miss to pick up another Terran. I guess Piano better keep being a beast.
goddamn nerd rappers
onihunter
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States515 Posts
March 14 2009 04:25 GMT
#35
On March 14 2009 11:47 Frits wrote:
What's the coach cho thing you're talking about @ wcg? I've never heard about any of this stuff before.


yeah I'd really like to know as well
jaedong forever~
triglo
Profile Joined October 2008
12 Posts
March 14 2009 04:49 GMT
#36
maybe they wanna pick up forgg in hopes of later trading him for a protoss player?
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-14 04:57:19
March 14 2009 04:55 GMT
#37
On March 14 2009 11:59 BlackMagister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2009 11:43 baubo wrote:
On March 14 2009 11:23 BlackMagister wrote:
What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in.

On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:
On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me.


In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea.

I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach.


It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else.


Actually, my exact analogy was to other sports teams, which operate more or less the same way.

I'm guessing you don't really follow any team sports. If you do, you'd realize that underneath all that sportsmanship, comradrie, and bonding among players and coaches, it's still a business. And in the end players are just hired workers who are beneath the decision-makers.

The business side of sports is ugly.

And I also don't like Coach Cho. The whole thing about him and Jaedong at WCG was just creepy(by my admittedly biased western standard). Perhaps ForGG pissed him off by not rolling over against Jaedong in the Arena MSL?


Well I was thinking of business companies since you referred to that as well. Though even if it is just "business" in sports teams I'd still think they would tell others before they leave. Whether not it is "business" I'd think you would make at least some friends especially when you live with them. I mean some of ForGG's teammates messaged him and were shocked that he leaving for KTF so it does seem like they cared.

Plus you always hear in the interviews asking the progamers who they're close to on their team and even their talk about who outside their team who helped them practice. One line that's been said several times in different ways is "You'd be surprised how close the progamers are"

But you know ForGG might be the odd ball or hated by the coach like what's being discussed.


But notice you're talking about friendship among players themselves, rather than with the management. That's different concept. In fact, the reason why these things go down w/o players' knowledge if BECAUSE they're close. And you don't want that to influence your decision.

On March 14 2009 12:48 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2009 11:43 baubo wrote:
On March 14 2009 11:23 BlackMagister wrote:
What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in.

On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:
On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me.


In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea.

I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach.


It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else.


Actually, my exact analogy was to other sports teams, which operate more or less the same way.

I'm guessing you don't really follow any team sports. If you do, you'd realize that underneath all that sportsmanship, comradrie, and bonding among players and coaches, it's still a business. And in the end players are just hired workers who are beneath the decision-makers.

The business side of sports is ugly.

And I also don't like Coach Cho. The whole thing about him and Jaedong at WCG was just creepy(by my admittedly biased western standard). Perhaps ForGG pissed him off by not rolling over against Jaedong in the Arena MSL?


Idk about other places but in Europe, in any teamsport I am aware of, a player has a right to choose if he wants to leave or not and the team has the same right as well. So basically both parties have to agree for the transfer to take place. I don't know what sports are you refering to but that's definitely the way in football, basketball, volleyball, 3 main team sports in Europe.

And yes, sport in the end is business but both parties, players and teams have their obligations. It's not that easy to fire a player unless his contract has expired. Otherwise you will have to pay him compensation which usually is huge.


I think it's safe to say that contracts between SC teams and players aren't nearly as fair. We're talking about teenagers who don't know anything about business, and pretty much "owned" by their teams. Plus I'm believe all but the best players don't make enough money for business savvy agents to speak on their behalf. Which is really what these kids need.
Meh
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
March 14 2009 05:03 GMT
#38
So did everybody glaze over the part where fOrGG didn't want to go initially and it was KTF who REALLY wanted him in the first place?
Omg Coach Cho sabotage!
Jaedong
EntertainMe
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
864 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-14 05:39:19
March 14 2009 05:33 GMT
#39
On March 14 2009 13:15 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2009 13:08 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA


Come on "T1 fan", SK is clearly the legend house: BoxeR, iloveoov, GoRush, Kingdom, IntoTheRainbow, Bisu


non-KTF: Reach(Hanbit), Nal_rA(Suma G.O.(Greatest Ones)), ChoJJa(Hanbit), Sync(Hanbit), TheMarine(G.O.), Garimto(Hanbit)
non-T1: GoRush(G.O.), Kingdom(Hanbit), Bisu(MBC), Midas(G.O.)

true-KTF: Yell0w + $$$
true-T1: Boxer, Intotherainbow, Oov + $$$

meh~


Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
March 14 2009 05:39 GMT
#40
On March 14 2009 14:33 EntertainMe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2009 13:15 JWD wrote:
On March 14 2009 13:08 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA


Come on "T1 fan", SK is clearly the legend house: BoxeR, iloveoov, GoRush, Kingdom, IntoTheRainbow, Bisu


non-KTF: Reach(Hanbit), Nal_rA(Suma G.O.(Greatest Ones)), ChoJJa(Hanbit), Sync(Hanbit), TheMarine(G.O.), Garimto(Hanbit)
non-T1: GoRush(G.O.), Kingdom(Hanbit), Bisu(MBC), Midas(G.O.) IntotheRainbow(G.O.?)

true-KTF: Yell0w + $$$
true-T1: Boxer, Oov + $$$

meh~




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