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On January 19 2009 14:36 talismania wrote:
is littering really common in korea or something? Somehow I had the idea in my head that Seoul was really clean.
there r like literally NO TRASHCANS in korea....
im from korea but I got soo used to America having trashcans and me recycling properly and all that stuff
i remember when i went back i ate a popsicle and held on to the stick for i think 1hr... b4 finding a trashcan to throw it away in
haha all my krn friends thought that was pretty funny
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damn
rekrul's post in the slumps topic is edited
didn´t read it in time T_T
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Mega thanks!
This is awesome 
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Awesome read. This did give me some motivation on my study, and helped me to know much more about the harsh realities of this world.
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On January 21 2009 23:56 Sadness wrote:
damn
rekrul's post in the slumps topic is edited
didn´t read it in time T_T
Yeah I also wanted to read that. :/ It's on wfbrood in Chinese if you can read it. Those years of studying Chinese are finally paying off. ^^;
Is 肥虫 a common nick for July in the Chinese fanbase? Or is it a translation of what Rekrul said? 斗神 is obviously more respectful but not as funny. 
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So is the interview translation done now?
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On January 21 2009 16:19 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2009 15:20 a-game wrote:
korean progamers are less professional than nba players?
i find that extremely hard to believe. korean pros practice what, 10-12 hours per day?
i can't even watch NBA the players are so damn lazy, and you know 90% of the stars barely practice at all and smoke as much weed as possible with jay-z in their off-hours. that is when they're not getting arrested for carrying a firearm in a public place or getting 5 new tattoos. i think your description of NBA players is pretty inaccurate for the average player. especially for most of the best players. even if you have some prejudice against the NBA, then you can substitute it for any other professional league that is the best for its sport. it's funny that you should mention practicing a lot as a way that marks them as professionals, when i think it's one of the worst things about this scene. there is an idea that more practice is better, no matter what. perhaps some people don't care what's best, and instead only what looks best to outsiders, or perhaps some are just ignorant of what's best. either way, it's very unprofessional. anyway, in the interview, they aren't talking about practicing 10-12 hours a day. they talk about getting bad results and then seeking pleasure in girls/alcohol. that is incredibly unprofessional. it's especially bad when you consider the structure of these teams, where everyone lives together, so the people responsible for savior would know what's going on. yet it happened.
These were exactly my thoughts. How come the coaching team let these things happen given all the control they have...
Also as in any sport practicing more not necessarily will cause improvement and actually it can be detrimental to the results. You don't want to overwork yourself. Being tired doesn't help to achieve results. Though 10 hours of practicing in my opinion is doable and sustainable. And I mean real 10 hours of practicing.
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yeah, professional athletes like NBA players aren't lazy at all. Are you kidding me?
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No man, they just do drugs and listen to Jay-Z, amirite.
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On January 21 2009 16:02 OneOther wrote:Awesome interview! Thanks, MrHoon - I know how hard it is to translate something as long as this one. Great work. Show nested quote +On January 21 2009 15:20 a-game wrote:
i can't even watch NBA the players are so damn lazy, and you know 90% of the stars barely practice at all and smoke as much weed as possible with jay-z in their off-hours. that is when they're not getting arrested for carrying a firearm in a public place or getting 5 new tattoos. If you have no idea what you are talking about, please don't act like you do. NBA players, especially the stars, have to consistently practice to maintain their level and compete with other players. Or maybe even to keep their starting/roster spot. I don't know how much you were exaggerating, but my goodness, this is simply ignorant. Just because there are rare exceptions doesn't mean this is how the NBA works.
I don't know. From what announcers and the like say (I have no inside information), you really don't practice all that much during the season. What are you going to do, kill yourself sprinting a day before a game and lose your legs? There is a lot of travel, but it's not like they don't go in style.
Of course there's the nice long offseason, too. Which is where I think most players "get better." But there's a limit to how much your body can do. You can't workout (at least as I understand it, w/ my ltd knowledge) much more than an hour a day. And even "practice" (jumpshots and the like) would have a ceiling; do you really want to get great at shooting a flat jumpshot? I honestly can't see a basketball player working more than like... 5 hours a day? Again, this is just me trying to work it out, but it makes sense.
So while I don't think basketball players intend to be lazy, the fact that they have such a specialized talent prevents them from working too much. Leaving them time to smoke weed and hange out w/ hova.
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On January 21 2009 07:18 Hot_Bid wrote:
To those making gay jokes, they are not funny. Stop making them.
Don't worry. Savior said himself that he'd kill them. And did you see that badass pic of him drinking that smoothie?!?!?!
I totally agree that the NBA is WAY EASIER than Starcraft.
I mean, if you think doing tricks on a basketball court is hard, then you haven't played Starcraft yet.
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stop shitting up my thread you nerds
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man, i was so excited seeing this thread on the sidebar, thinking Mrhoon updated it, only to find some people comparing Starcraft to the NBA (whatthefuck?) a completely different sport with completely different limitations and paths to success. NBA/=Starcraft.
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On January 22 2009 14:26 MrHoon wrote:
stop shitting up my thread you nerds
well think they getting rowdy cause only the first portion of the interview was posted for awhile.
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basically a professional interview of Rek's progaming gossip from the progamers themselves. lol. Wow boxer is 30, crazy.
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Can anyone finish this please?
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- Then doesn't Savior have ambition to be one himself (30's gamer)?
▲ Savior= Honestly, I haven't thought about it. But I have wondered whether I can do it or not. I couldn't reach conclusion.
▲ Boxer= You have to answer that question on your own. You have to first decide if playing game is best for you. To help Savior decide that, I suggest him to ask himself a question, "What can I excel at other than gaming?" I came to think about this kind of thing more since I returned from military duty. Like, "it has to be better than army (Smiles)," This way of thinking helps me to see things in a positive way.
(interviewer's words) Who is Savior to Boxer, and Boxer to Savior?
After some serious conversations, Boxer and Savior seemed to have become close. Boxer shared his past stories and didn't hesitate to give out helpful advises to Savior. Savior agreed with Boxer's words and opened his mind in an effort to benefit from Boxer's advises. As they did this they started to throw questions at each other, continuing the interview by themselves.
-(Boxer to Savior) How did your coach treat you when the people crowned you as a Bonjwa? And how was your life at the team lodge?
▲ Savior= The coach didn't 'touch' me. Back then, I honestly thought I deserved such treatment. I was very proud, but not arrogant. I had many Hyungs (seniors) in the team, so I couldn't act easily regardless of how well I was playing. But I still had total freedom to enjoy my time after scheduled practice session.
-(Boxer to Savior) Some juniors probably have you during that time as their role model.
▲ Savior= I didn't know it back then. But I think I know now. I thought deciding for myself and scheduling my own schedule was better for me. But those juniors could have thought "It is ok to do such things when you are good".
- Was it similar for Boxer?
▲ Boxer= My coach gave me same kind of freedom. However, when you take a captain responsibility, it is hard to enjoy your free time outside. I didn't go partying because I was afraid I would lose my focus from gaming. I sat in front of computer screen even in my free times. But I didn't do that to 'show' it off to my juniors. Recently, assistant coach Park told me that such behavior had motivated many players back then and built their faith in me.
▲Savior= There was a time when I acted however I liked to. But I realized that the team could be jeopardized by my behavior.
- Let's wrap up this interview. We have talked about various things. How do you feel?
▲ Savior= I'm worried that we focused too much on heavy topics. These are kind of things that aren't mentioned easily in any given place.
▲ Boxer= But I think what we talked about today also applies to other sports. If athletes in different sports hear this, I'm sure they will nod their head in agreement. There isn't any resentment between players of sports. Although I'm not sure if they would regard us as one of their kind (Smiles).
- I know it is a bit random, but who is Savior to Boxer?
▲ Boxer= I have once shifted my focus from gaming after putting myself in best position, but nevertheless I was diligent and I believe that is what enabled me to become a 30's gamer. Savior shares a similar story with me especially after claiming top. However, he is young and a new Bonjwa has not come out yet at this point so I believe he can reclaim his position. Since I understand his situation very well, I believe he can be in a position much better than the one I was in. I wish he becomes an exemplary player that other players look up to.
- Then who is Boxer to Savior?
▲ Savior = Few years ago when the 30's gamer talk came out, I doubted it. But Boxer is doing it now. Boxer as of now is already enough. In my first years of progamer career, I couldn't talk about a player Boxer, but I got to know him as we played games against each other and now we are actually doing an interview together. If you think about all this processes, it is quite interesting. This suddenly came across my mind (Smiles).
(interview's words) It was a question to end the interview but these two seemed to have more to ask each other. Savior said he had last question to ask and extended life of this interview.
- (Savior to Boxer) I get asked a lot about next Bonjwa, what do you think about it? I personally think that once one gets to high class, his distance from gaming accelerates. There could be some who are already in such process.
▲ Boxer= The fact is, it is funny for me to talk about Bonjwa. I'm not at top level, I'm just practicing like all other entering progamers now.
▲ Savior= E-Sports wants to put one person on top. In other sports like soccer, it seems like respect and recognition they get is more evenly distributed but I don't see that in E-Sports. No recognition for vast majority except few top players. Other players are trying very hard but people are ignoring them.
▲ Boxer= It is because E-Sports has room to grow. It is good to have one player on top to spread this sports.
-(Boxer to Savior) I ask you to do me a favor. I tried to do this before I went to army but I think it is too late for me to do it now. I hope you can create a player union type of thing where influential players gather to create a better environment for less known player base.
▲ Savior= It is impossible to even imagine players from different teams to gather. Too much team based nowadays...
▲ Boxer= But if no action is taken, it will only get worse. Even after I returned from army, I felt that it was very unfair for players.
▲ Shim Hyun Team Manager= I think it is best if we make another time to discuss this matter. In the case of baseball league, a lot of places and people provided help for player association to form. I think it is same for e-Sports that we need a lot of help from people to do this.
- Through this interview we have shared alot of thoughts. How do you feel.
▲ Savior= It(topics discussed in interview) was always something I was concerned.. It was difficult to let this kind of things out. Only someone who has experienced this can understand it and I thought only Boxer had experienced this. After many talks, I can relate to and agree with a lot of things that he has said. It was short but I liked it a lot. I wish we could meet again privately (no gay talk plz). I'm happy this is over but at the same time, disappointed that it was short.
▲ Boxer= I think Savior is future of many players. I wish Savior's generation can achieve a lot that their previous generation couldn't achieve. I wish a e-sports-like e-sports scene becomes a reality. I seem like asking too much favor (Smiles). I wish many interesting events to occur in e-Sports. I was in basketball game recently and I witnessed so many entertaining events. I hope e-Sports to improve in various areas. We lack number of stadiums and events that will prevent fans from getting bored.
▲ Boxer= Oh, and later we do this with "LimLeeChoiMa" all 4 together (Boxer, Nada, iloveoov, Savior) .
▲ Savior= I'm worried that I talked too serious. Although It will be fresh to readers (Smiles).
- INTERVIEWING SEPERATELY.
After the interview, the photo session for photos to be used in interview followed. Savior's solo cuts were proceeding and Boxer was interviewed while resting on a chair.
(During Savior's photo session...)
- You recently revealed you had a girfriend.
▲ Boxer= My girlfriend felt insecure. I wanted to make it public whether I had a girlfriend or not to make her feel more comfortable. I don't want to reveal any details about it. But I made it known because I had many girls approaching me, not knowing this.
- How is your practice going.
▲ Boxer= At first, I revised many strats and used them to win a lot. Recently, I'm working on fundamentals and am losing because of that. I'm working on basic stuff. When I get basics improved I'll use strats from past. I need basics improved the most at the moment.
- Many fans wait for your game in Winner's League.
▲ Boxer= If it was proleague system, sniping would have been possible. But now basics are more important with this system. If I get into our team's entry to snipe a zerg, we wouldn't know the next player from opponent so I don't think the coach will use me to get 1 kill. I need to try harder to meet the coach's expectation.
- You are practicing in a proteam again after practicing in army. Isn't it any difficult?
▲ Boxer = I know how to climb back up to top but the first step was really tough. But it got better as I kept practicing more and more. I'm confident I can build a decent basics. My ambition is bigger though, to be honest.
- As you get older is it physically harder?
▲ Boxer= My vision got bad. You have to make decision after analyzing given situation but because of bad vision I sometimes make delayed decision. I started to get bad results since wearing glasses which is really sad. Eye vision is important. I was 1.5 but now I'm 0.1. And it was measured 2 years ago. I tried playing without glasses but it felt like playing in a fog.
(During Boxer's session...)
- Don't you feel pressured about returning to top?
▲ Savior= I know a lot of people wants to see my return. It's not that I don't know that. I also want to do good (Smiles). Some say that they can't see a desire to win on my face but if I was such a unmotivated player, I would never have been recognized in the first place. I want to be recognized again, and work hard to feel that feeling again. I know the answer lies on me. I never said this but I'm also struggling mentally from this.
-You have many nicks. It seems like you get a nick whatever you do.
▲ Savior= I have many nicks. I can't even name them all. I get 2~3 nicks every time something happens. I like MaAeGuk one. I think I just have to go with these nicks whether I like them or not.
But I can't compromise my privacy. I can take anything because I'm a progamer but it depresses me when people around me gets hurt because of what I did.
- Playing vs Bisu and FBH could be a lot of pressure.
▲ Savior= In recent MSL group selection, FHB said "Now playing with Savior is not helpful for me". But the fact that he was carrying that kind of thought in his head was surprising. I don't understand why he would think that way. For one player to surpass another player, it is not simply about records against playing each other but about their overall career. Even if I beat Boxer 100 times now I'm not actually winning him. That is my opinion.
I get pressure from extra attention and tension in playing vs FBH. When I said "I want to avoid FBH" in previous interview, that is what I meant. It is not simply 1 loss but I get more harms that affect my future games. I'm not afraid of defeat. But I meant that I don't want to pay it any attention since it could bring me more detrimental effects in games afterwards.
Bisu is different. Bisu can't be compared with FBH. He has good career with many wins in tournaments. Playing vs Bisu is a different feeling from playing FBH. You wait for that game even if you lose.
- Your recent matches show poor performance in late game management.
▲ Savior= I wish the stadiums could be designed for players to focus better. I mean most efficient environment for players to concentrate on game is needed. I believe a stadium environment affects game performance. I personally wish for a playing booth where you can't see outside from inside yet the other way is possible. Some players will agree and some will not but if that happens we will get better games. Saying this might be criticized as an excuse but it's okay. Unlike past, I want to create a situation that I won't regret later.
- Nowadays, zergs are having hard time. JaeDong, however, is standing out with Queen usage.
▲ Savior= Complaining about race is not something that I can do now. To talk about JD's queen, his queen looked good because JD played it. Anything looks good when used by good players. Starcraft race balance have never been fair regardless of map. Now we have maps playable for zergs but Protoss is still stronger. This is a kind of thing that players must overcome. Making map more favorable to zerg just because they are struggling is not right. I believe that a zerg era MUST come back. I'm confident about it coming, and I hope I can play main role in that.
- Anything to fans?
▲ Savior= I have been progamer for long so there are many fans cheering for me. Although I also have anti-fans (Smiles). It gives me strength when I wonder if I can get this much people cheering for me if I did anything other than gaming. I used to thank fans with generic sentences but I think I know for real now. It has been really helpful in resolving my mind.
yep its done. Completed. and its fuking long. god. grammar edited.
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Awesome. Thanks for finishing it up~
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What a great interview. Thanks a lot
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