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So after reading a suggestion in the TLPD feedback thread (from geno, thanks guy), I've been thinking about making a page which would gather all the major "misc stats" data in one place. Number of games total, number of games per matchup, matchup all-time record, player with most individual wins, number of starleague wins per race, etc etc. Doing so however, I realized there was just way too many potentially interesting statistics to put in one single page.
That's when I had the idea of a forum thread. You guys ask for a stat, and I'll query the database and fetch it ASAP (mostly during weekends). I'll gather all of the stat requests/answers in the first post. For evolving stats (like matchup records and stuff), I'll add a date so you can know when the numbers have last been updated. Note that I can't necessarily get just anything from the database, especially stuff TLPD doesn't handle yet, like team stats.
TLPD will eventually contain a page with the most relevant statistics. I'd be very interested to know which ones you guys consider the most interesting to have at hand all the time. Right now I'm still unsure (except for a few).
This thread will always be open for specific requests, though!
I'll start off with a bunch of common statistics:
Last updated: Sunday Nov. 23
- Number of games:
- 10440 games in total (including 3543 VODs)
- 2867 TvZs (including 817 VODs)
- 1837 ZvPs (including 580 VODs)
- 2192 PvTs (including 864 VODs)
- 1370 TvTs (including 514 VODs)
- 1163 ZvZs (including 221 VODs)
- 674 PvPs (including 298 VODs)
- Matchup all-time records:
- TvZ: 1544-1323 (53.85%)
- ZvP: 982-855 (53.46%)
- PvT: 1120-1072 (51.09%)
- League statistics:
- Terran: 49 golds, including 11 OSLs and 9 MSLs/KPGA Tours
- Zerg: 35 golds, including 6 OSLs and 6 MSLs/KPGA Tours
- Protoss: 18 golds, including 8 OSLs and 4 MSLs/KPGA Tours
+ Show Spoiler [Longest win/loss streaks] +
+ Show Spoiler [Bisu's effect in PvZ] +
Pre-Bisu-vs-Savior ZvP: 682-547 (55.49%)
Post-Bisu-vs-Savior ZvP: 300-308 (49.34%)
Revolution much?
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Hungary11270 Posts
Longest win streak (overall)
Longest loss streak (overall)
Longest streaks according to matchups.
top5 on all of those.
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You are too awesome PoP. I'll have to come up with some more interesting stats now with this thread version 
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Awesome!!
Only request I can really think of would be statistics confined to particular years or seasons etc.
example: terran/zerg/protoss win rates for a particular league or timeframe.
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United States42256 Posts
I'm confused by where all the extra medals are going from if not starleagues. Even with things like the GSI and GSL that doesn't account for it all. Are you counting WCG, Blizzcon, WWI etc too?
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On November 23 2008 21:10 Kwark wrote:
I'm confused by where all the extra medals are going from if not starleagues. Even with things like the GSI and GSL that doesn't account for it all. Are you counting WCG, Blizzcon, WWI etc too?
No, only korean professional tournaments, including WCG qualifications, special events like Shinhan Masters, ODTs (previous ones had winners), etc. But it might not make too much sense? Also I should probably exclude special events.
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On November 23 2008 21:10 Kwark wrote:
I'm confused by where all the extra medals are going from if not starleagues. Even with things like the GSI and GSL that doesn't account for it all. Are you counting WCG, Blizzcon, WWI etc too?
I'm pretty sure OSC is one at least ( Much's only medal for instance) which would count for some of them. Probably special tourneys and invitationals too (KeSPA sanctioned stuff).
edit: That's pretty interesting though that Zerg has managed to get nearly twice as many golds as Protoss total, but has the exact same number of starleague golds.
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Not all that related, but I would really like to see 2v2 stats in player profiles.
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# Matchup all-time records:
* TvZ: 1557-1348 (53.6%)
* ZvP: 1019-890 (53.38%)
* PvT: 1128-1082 (51.04%)
This is really a credit to the awesome racial balance of professional SC. I can't believe it's so close!
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On November 23 2008 21:21 Burre wrote:
# Matchup all-time records:
* TvZ: 1557-1348 (53.6%)
* ZvP: 1019-890 (53.38%)
* PvT: 1128-1082 (51.04%)
This is really a credit to the awesome racial balance of professional SC. I can't believe it's so close!
Actually I just updated them because there was a glitch. Stats are fixed now (not that much different though).
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On November 23 2008 21:21 Burre wrote:
# Matchup all-time records:
* TvZ: 1557-1348 (53.6%)
* ZvP: 1019-890 (53.38%)
* PvT: 1128-1082 (51.04%)
This is really a credit to the awesome racial balance of professional SC. I can't believe it's so close!
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Funny that the small statistical advantages all line up with the classic t > z > p > t matchup theory too. But yeah, not by much, which is not only a credit to the game balance but also the mappers.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
Biggest rivalry? i.e Players with the most games head to head against each other?
And maybe records Team vs Team like all games that SKT players have played against KTF players (Proleague / All Leagues).
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What I'd really like to see would be a feature/API where we can enter an arbitrary SQL select query ourselves (preferably by a query string added to the url to make it more programmatically accessible), and see the results. Such a thing is obviously possible but there may be reasons why it's not safe/practical.
edit: We'd also have to know the database schema.
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Edit: I moved it to the appropriate thread
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Wow didn't realize Best had a 16-0 win streak in PvP.
Also massive T_T on the Boxer loss streak.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Most played map
Most balanced map (with over X games, I'm not sure how many)
Most unbalanced (imbalanced? same as above, should probably have some kind of significant sample size).
Maybe the same thing but by matchup?
PvZ stats pre 2006 and PvZ stats post 2006 would be interesting (I think professional tosses really stepped up their PvZ around that time).
Sweet thread btw :D
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MU Stats per year and per season.
Great thread, thanks for all the great work Pop.
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On November 24 2008 00:36 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 20:53 Aesop wrote:
Longest win streak (overall)
Longest loss streak (overall)
Longest streaks according to matchups.
top5 on all of those. Longest win streak:  GoRush (16-0). Longest loss streak: JinNam (0-16). Longest TvT win streak:  Midas & NaDa & Canata (10-0). Longest TvT loss streak: BoxeR & Justin & JoyO (0-8). Longest TvZ win streak: iloveoov (27-0). Longest TvZ loss streak: Hery (0-11). Longest TvP win streak: Flash (12-0). Longest TvP loss streak: UpMagiC (0-10). Longest ZvT win streak: YellOw & Jaedong (12-0). Longest ZvT loss streak: Clon & TheWinD & JinNam (0-11). Longest ZvZ win streak: Jaedong (12-0). Longest ZvZ loss streak: JinNam (0-9). Longest ZvP win streak: sAviOr (11-0). Longest ZvP loss streak: Shark (0-7). Longest PvT win streak: Kingdom & Stork (12-0). Longest PvT loss streak: SangHo (0-11). Longest PvZ win streak: JangBi (10-0). Longest PvZ loss streak: TerAtO & fOru & RainBOw (0-9). Longest PvP win streak: BeSt (16-0). Longest PvP loss streak: Zeus (0-10).
I dont see anyone touching iloveoov's TvZ streak. Ever.
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How about the finding the overall record of each individual team? Something like adding up each player's record to get the team's overall record. It's not exactly team stats/proleague W-L, just the cumulative record of each member of a team.
(hopefully this isn't already in the TLPD  )
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Does kpga's not counted as msls? Terran should have more then 5 msl win (3 oov,3 nada, boxer,forgg,mind afair)
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Holy shit awesome work PoP :D
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On November 23 2008 21:48 pachi wrote:
Biggest rivalry? i.e Players with the most games head to head against each other?
It should be boxer vs yellow imo.
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On November 23 2008 21:21 Burre wrote:
# Matchup all-time records:
* TvZ: 1557-1348 (53.6%)
* ZvP: 1019-890 (53.38%)
* PvT: 1128-1082 (51.04%)
This is really a credit to the awesome racial balance of professional SC. I can't believe it's so close!
These stats as 2006 (or 2007) to today would be nice
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On November 24 2008 01:17 Hyperionnn wrote:
Does kpga's not counted as msls? Terran should have more then 5 msl win (3 oov,3 nada, boxer,forgg,mind afair)
You're right. Fixed (+4 MSL for T).
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On November 23 2008 22:06 gravity wrote:
What I'd really like to see would be a feature/API where we can enter an arbitrary SQL select query ourselves (preferably by a query string added to the url to make it more programmatically accessible), and see the results. Such a thing is obviously possible but there may be reasons why it's not safe/practical.
edit: We'd also have to know the database schema.
Letting anyone query the database with SQL (even only selects) sounds really really risky to me.
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Btw PoP
Can you find out the best player statistically each year, for each match up too?
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On November 24 2008 00:53 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Most played map
Most balanced map (with over X games, I'm not sure how many)
Most unbalanced (imbalanced? same as above, should probably have some kind of significant sample size).
Maybe the same thing but by matchup?
Not doing these ones because we have something a lot better in the making. 
PvZ stats pre 2006 and PvZ stats post 2006 would be interesting (I think professional tosses really stepped up their PvZ around that time).
Pre-Bisu-vs-Savior ZvP: 682-547 (55.49%)
Post-Bisu-vs-Savior ZvP: 300-308 (49.34%)
Revolution much?
edit: I realize that's not really what you asked though. Which of pre-2006 or post-2006 should include 2006? Neither?
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that 27-0 TvZ of Oov is so scary lol
Imagine a zerg stepping in the ring with the mentality that that dude just toasted the previous 27 o_O
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Number of games:
10440 games in total (including 3543 VODs)
2867 TvZs (including 817 VODs)
1837 ZvPs (including 580 VODs)
2192 PvTs (including 864 VODs)
1370 TvTs (including 514 VODs)
1163 ZvZs (including 221 VODs)
674 PvPs (including 298 VODs)
I get 10103 games when I add those games perhaps rest are RvR?
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On November 24 2008 01:50 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +Number of games:
10440 games in total (including 3543 VODs)
2867 TvZs (including 817 VODs)
1837 ZvPs (including 580 VODs)
2192 PvTs (including 864 VODs)
1370 TvTs (including 514 VODs)
1163 ZvZs (including 221 VODs)
674 PvPs (including 298 VODs) I get 10103 games when I add those games perhaps rest are RvR?
Either games with at least 1 player going random, or 2v2s (should probably split the count in two btw, now that I think about it).
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On November 24 2008 01:08 Realpenguin wrote:How about the finding the overall record of each individual team? Something like adding up each player's record to get the team's overall record. It's not exactly team stats/proleague W-L, just the cumulative record of each member of a team. (hopefully this isn't already in the TLPD )
Thing is we need to be aware of all the players' team changes for these stats to be accurate. Some are still missing unfortunately. (There was a thread about it a while ago.)
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On November 24 2008 01:33 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 22:06 gravity wrote:
What I'd really like to see would be a feature/API where we can enter an arbitrary SQL select query ourselves (preferably by a query string added to the url to make it more programmatically accessible), and see the results. Such a thing is obviously possible but there may be reasons why it's not safe/practical.
edit: We'd also have to know the database schema. Letting anyone query the database with SQL (even only selects) sounds really really risky to me.
Raw SQL access seems a bit rough, but if there was *some* API to query it that would be pretty useful.
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flash will tie the longest TVT winning streak with one more TVT win :DDDD
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Can you do pre and post Gillette OSL TvZ and ZvP.
That was the turning point of Zerg in progaming.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
It would also be nice to list the biggest Bonjwa/dominating periods.
For example:
Oov: 77-20 (79%) 4/5/2003 - 7/1/2004
sAviOr: 53-17 (76%) 4/13/2006 - 2/9/2007
BoxeR: 31-9 (78%) 2/16/2001 - 12/27/2001
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Sweden33719 Posts
On November 24 2008 01:42 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 00:53 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Most played map
Most balanced map (with over X games, I'm not sure how many)
Most unbalanced (imbalanced? same as above, should probably have some kind of significant sample size).
Maybe the same thing but by matchup?
Not doing these ones because we have something a lot better in the making. Show nested quote +
PvZ stats pre 2006 and PvZ stats post 2006 would be interesting (I think professional tosses really stepped up their PvZ around that time).
Pre-Bisu-vs-Savior ZvP: 682-547 (55.49%) Post-Bisu-vs-Savior ZvP: 300-308 (49.34%) Revolution much? edit: I realize that's not really what you asked though. Which of pre-2006 or post-2006 should include 2006? Neither?
Hm that's fine too, initially I had in mind like start date to 2005, then 2006-present. Thx =]
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
TvZ: 1557-1348 (53.6%)
ZvP: 1019-890 (53.38%)
PvT: 1128-1082 (51.04%)
Terran: 2685-2430 (52.49%) <---------- Clearly imba
Zerg: 2367-2447 (49.17%)
Protoss: 2018-2101 (48.99%)
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On November 24 2008 01:07 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 00:36 PoP wrote:On November 23 2008 20:53 Aesop wrote:
Longest win streak (overall)
Longest loss streak (overall)
Longest streaks according to matchups.
top5 on all of those. Longest win streak: GoRush (16-0). Longest loss streak: JinNam (0-16). Longest TvT win streak: Midas & NaDa & Canata (10-0). Longest TvT loss streak: BoxeR & Justin & JoyO (0-8). Longest TvZ win streak: iloveoov (27-0). Longest TvZ loss streak: Hery (0-11). Longest TvP win streak: Flash (12-0). Longest TvP loss streak: UpMagiC (0-10). Longest ZvT win streak: YellOw & Jaedong (12-0). Longest ZvT loss streak: Clon & TheWinD & JinNam (0-11). Longest ZvZ win streak: Jaedong (12-0). Longest ZvZ loss streak: JinNam (0-9). Longest ZvP win streak: sAviOr (11-0). Longest ZvP loss streak: Shark (0-7). Longest PvT win streak: Kingdom & Stork (12-0). Longest PvT loss streak: SangHo (0-11). Longest PvZ win streak: JangBi (10-0). Longest PvZ loss streak: TerAtO & fOru & RainBOw (0-9). Longest PvP win streak: BeSt (16-0). Longest PvP loss streak: Zeus (0-10). I dont see anyone touching iloveoov's TvZ streak. Ever.
27 is quite stupid high
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On November 24 2008 04:01 IzzyCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 01:07 arb wrote:On November 24 2008 00:36 PoP wrote:On November 23 2008 20:53 Aesop wrote:
Longest win streak (overall)
Longest loss streak (overall)
Longest streaks according to matchups.
top5 on all of those. Longest win streak: GoRush (16-0). Longest loss streak: JinNam (0-16). Longest TvT win streak: Midas & NaDa & Canata (10-0). Longest TvT loss streak: BoxeR & Justin & JoyO (0-8). Longest TvZ win streak: iloveoov (27-0). Longest TvZ loss streak: Hery (0-11). Longest TvP win streak: Flash (12-0). Longest TvP loss streak: UpMagiC (0-10). Longest ZvT win streak: YellOw & Jaedong (12-0). Longest ZvT loss streak: Clon & TheWinD & JinNam (0-11). Longest ZvZ win streak: Jaedong (12-0). Longest ZvZ loss streak: JinNam (0-9). Longest ZvP win streak: sAviOr (11-0). Longest ZvP loss streak: Shark (0-7). Longest PvT win streak: Kingdom & Stork (12-0). Longest PvT loss streak: SangHo (0-11). Longest PvZ win streak: JangBi (10-0). Longest PvZ loss streak: TerAtO & fOru & RainBOw (0-9). Longest PvP win streak: BeSt (16-0). Longest PvP loss streak: Zeus (0-10). I dont see anyone touching iloveoov's TvZ streak. Ever. 27 is quite stupid high
makes me so happy! ilove iloveoov so much
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On November 24 2008 03:29 TheTyranid wrote:
Terran: 2685-2430 (52.49%) <---------- Clearly imba
Zerg: 2367-2447 (49.17%)
Protoss: 2018-2101 (48.99%)
Terran one is wrong, it's 2639-2476 (51.59%).
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United States13896 Posts
Which players have the best records in Bo5 sets?
Which players have the best records in Bo3 sets?
And by record I don't individual game W/L, I mean who has the best ratio of winning Bo5 series/Bo3 series altogether.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
AWESOME ! :D:D:D interesting stats, all hail king pop
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On November 24 2008 04:01 IzzyCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 01:07 arb wrote:On November 24 2008 00:36 PoP wrote:On November 23 2008 20:53 Aesop wrote:
Longest win streak (overall)
Longest loss streak (overall)
Longest streaks according to matchups.
top5 on all of those. Longest win streak: GoRush (16-0). Longest loss streak: JinNam (0-16). Longest TvT win streak: Midas & NaDa & Canata (10-0). Longest TvT loss streak: BoxeR & Justin & JoyO (0-8). Longest TvZ win streak: iloveoov (27-0). Longest TvZ loss streak: Hery (0-11). Longest TvP win streak: Flash (12-0). Longest TvP loss streak: UpMagiC (0-10). Longest ZvT win streak: YellOw & Jaedong (12-0). Longest ZvT loss streak: Clon & TheWinD & JinNam (0-11). Longest ZvZ win streak: Jaedong (12-0). Longest ZvZ loss streak: JinNam (0-9). Longest ZvP win streak: sAviOr (11-0). Longest ZvP loss streak: Shark (0-7). Longest PvT win streak: Kingdom & Stork (12-0). Longest PvT loss streak: SangHo (0-11). Longest PvZ win streak: JangBi (10-0). Longest PvZ loss streak: TerAtO & fOru & RainBOw (0-9). Longest PvP win streak: BeSt (16-0). Longest PvP loss streak: Zeus (0-10). I dont see anyone touching iloveoov's TvZ streak. Ever. 27 is quite stupid high
it was when most zergs were very poorly played and maps were in favor of Terrans in TvZ
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
The player with the biggest amount of played televised games.
The terran with the biggest amount of played televised games.
The protoss with the biggest amount of played televised games.
The zerg with the biggest amount of played televised games.
The player with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The terran with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The protoss with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The zerg with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The terran with the best win/lose ratio peak in TvZ, in TvT, in TvP.
The protoss with the best win/lose ratio peak in PvT, PvZ, PvP.
The zerg with the best win/lose ratio peak in ZvT, ZvZ, ZvP.
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On November 24 2008 05:19 Bifur wrote:
The player with the biggest amount of played televised games.
The terran with the biggest amount of played televised games.
The protoss with the biggest amount of played televised games.
The zerg with the biggest amount of played televised games.
The player with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The terran with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The protoss with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The zerg with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The terran with the best win/lose ratio peak in TvZ, in TvT, in TvP.
The protoss with the best win/lose ratio peak in PvT, PvZ, PvP.
The zerg with the best win/lose ratio peak in ZvT, ZvZ, ZvP.
You might want to add a minimum amount of games to qualify. I mean By.Movie has 100% in 2 MUs.
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Maybe you could add something like this:
Times qualified for MSL
Times qualified for MSL Ro16
Times qualified for MSL Ro8
Times qualified for MSL Semifinals
Times qualified for MSL Finals
and then the same thing with OSL
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On November 24 2008 05:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 05:19 Bifur wrote:
The player with the biggest amount of played televised games.
The terran with the biggest amount of played televised games.
The protoss with the biggest amount of played televised games.
The zerg with the biggest amount of played televised games.
The player with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The terran with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The protoss with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The zerg with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The terran with the best win/lose ratio peak in TvZ, in TvT, in TvP.
The protoss with the best win/lose ratio peak in PvT, PvZ, PvP.
The zerg with the best win/lose ratio peak in ZvT, ZvZ, ZvP. You might want to add a minimum amount of games to qualify. I mean By.Movie has 100% in 2 MUs.
Rofl Bifur, was gonna say that too. ^^
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Wow thanks PoP this is such a bad ass thread!
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Hungary11270 Posts
Thanks for answering the streak request. Jinnam is quite dominant at being a punchbag (Overall, ZvZ AND ZvT record!)
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What about some stats like player with best record on certain maps? Like sin peaks, python, blue storm, ect (the big maps used for a long time)
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On November 24 2008 01:45 Leath wrote:
that 27-0 TvZ of Oov is so scary lol
Imagine a zerg stepping in the ring with the mentality that that dude just toasted the previous 27 o_O
Wasn't July that Zerg?
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On November 24 2008 06:38 wolfy4033 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 01:45 Leath wrote:
that 27-0 TvZ of Oov is so scary lol
Imagine a zerg stepping in the ring with the mentality that that dude just toasted the previous 27 o_O Wasn't July that Zerg?
Yep.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On November 24 2008 06:43 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 06:38 wolfy4033 wrote:On November 24 2008 01:45 Leath wrote:
that 27-0 TvZ of Oov is so scary lol
Imagine a zerg stepping in the ring with the mentality that that dude just toasted the previous 27 o_O Wasn't July that Zerg? Yep.
and he FUCKIN CRUSHED HIM
what a sick series of games those BoXs were
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Wow, JinNam seems to lose a lot, maybe after BoxeR 3-0'ed him?:D Neat, nice job man.
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What about best win ratios for each year? like what players have the best records for 2008, 2007, ect
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Jangbi for longest pvz streak? ROFL
Really nice work though.
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What is the longest win streak by matchup (not by player). Like, longest TvZ winstreak, longest ZvT winstreak, TvP/PvT, ZvP/PvZ.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
I second FA's nomination - PvZ balance before and then after Bisu v. Savior GOMTV MSL finals.
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On November 24 2008 01:42 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 00:53 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Most played map
Most balanced map (with over X games, I'm not sure how many)
Most unbalanced (imbalanced? same as above, should probably have some kind of significant sample size).
Maybe the same thing but by matchup?
Not doing these ones because we have something a lot better in the making.
I'm really curious, so I hope you guys finish it soon :D
In the meantime, here's something I did a couple weeks ago. I just based it off of proleage matches (i.e. if there's a ton more TvT on Othello than any other MU, it's probably because the coaches know that sending another race against the other teams T will start the game off with a disadvantage).
Balanced
+ Show Spoiler +Sin Peaks of Beakdu
Tau Cross
Too New To Tell
+ Show Spoiler +Neo Requiem
Destination
Chupung-Ryeong
Medusa
T-Favored
+ Show Spoiler +Colosseum
Geometry
Harmony
Monty Hall
Othello
Python
Un'Goro Crater
Wuthering Heights
Z-Favored
+ Show Spoiler +Andromeda
Raid-Assault
Un'Goro Crater
P-Favored
+ Show Spoiler +Andromeda
Baekmagoji
Blue Storm
Colosseum
Katrina
Monty Hall
Nemesis
Too Old for me to Care
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BONUS
Standard-ish 2v2
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Wierd 2v2
+ Show Spoiler +Chariots of Fire
DMZ
Hunters
Hwangsanbul
Seongangil
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*Sob* for zergs. KeSPA needs to make maps at least a little balanced for zergs, it's more exciting for everyone.
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United States4991 Posts
PoP: I thought Joyo played PvT instead of TvT [TvZ TvP PvT]? Like in the epic Paradoxx game with Boxer, he was P. Therefore he wouldn't be included in longest TvT loss streak.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On November 24 2008 09:31 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I second FA's nomination - PvZ balance before and then after Bisu v. Savior GOMTV MSL finals.
Nah, PoP already answered that (page 2 somewhere), but I actually feel like the quality of pro-players PvZ started going up around 2006. Of course, Savior was an absolute terror so that probably didn't help the stats..
I forget which zerg pro it was, but around that time someone said in an interview that protoss players today felt a lot more solid than they used to.
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Team winning streaks
Team losing streaks
Player history in terms of teams
Team lineups from each team league season (This might be hard)
Team Head 2 Head
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Nice Thread!
I always knew T>Z was the most imbalanced matchup.
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how often does player with higher ELO beat player with lower ELO? would be a way to show how useful ELO is to evaluate player skill, but maybe this info is already contained/defined in elo score...?
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On November 24 2008 14:42 mjh wrote:
how often does player with higher ELO beat player with lower ELO? would be a way to show how useful ELO is to evaluate player skill, but maybe this info is already contained/defined in elo score...?
It is - you can use the difference between ratings to compute the probability that either player will win. For example, a 200 point advantage indicates an approximately 75% chance of winning, while a 400 point advantage indicates about an approximately 90% chance of winning.
The formula can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating#Mathematical_details
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wow zvp really got way more balanced after 2006 nice to know.
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On November 24 2008 10:18 Love.Zelduck wrote:Wierd 2v2 + Show Spoiler +Chariots of Fire
DMZ
Hunters
Hwangsanbul
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United States2186 Posts
Bo3/5 stats for the top players, as well as Ace match records, would be very nice to know if you have the time.
Much thanks, very interesting stuff!
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Hey POP, just to let you know (in case it's not you changing it), the individual ranking for the proleague is down at TLPD...
EDIT: nm, it's back!
+ Show Spoiler [Current standings] +And Calm is back on top! Whoa!
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 24 2008 10:33 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 09:31 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I second FA's nomination - PvZ balance before and then after Bisu v. Savior GOMTV MSL finals. Nah, PoP already answered that (page 2 somewhere), but I actually feel like the quality of pro-players PvZ started going up around 2006. Of course, Savior was an absolute terror so that probably didn't help the stats.. I forget which zerg pro it was, but around that time someone said in an interview that protoss players today felt a lot more solid than they used to. I beleive the player in question is the legendary JJu
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Protoss is so dominant now that after terran, protoss has the most gold medals. Interesting stats.
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this is so great, tlpd is getting better. what about "most games won under/over 5/40 minutes etc." maybe that requires too much work. anyways this kicks ass.
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Wow, Boxer and Justin... together ... in a category. *Head explodes*
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longest games in every MU, is that possbile?
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On November 23 2008 21:21 Burre wrote:
# Matchup all-time records:
* TvZ: 1557-1348 (53.6%)
* ZvP: 1019-890 (53.38%)
* PvT: 1128-1082 (51.04%)
This is really a credit to the awesome racial balance of professional SC. I can't believe it's so close!
Well I'm sure map balancing play's an even more important role. Especially during proleague when team's had to decide what race to send out on a specific map. Of course every race has to play now do to the rule changes.
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Would be cool to be able to list players by their birth date
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On November 24 2008 04:44 []p4NDemik[] wrote:
Which players have the best records in Bo5 sets?
Which players have the best records in Bo3 sets?
And by record I don't individual game W/L, I mean who has the best ratio of winning Bo5 series/Bo3 series altogether.
Cannot answer this unfortunately, TLPD doesn't handle the concept of series right now.
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id like to see tvp/ pvz / tvz win % per year ^^
see how it changed
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On November 24 2008 05:19 Bifur wrote:
The player with the biggest amount of played televised games.
NaDa (622).
The terran with the biggest amount of played televised games.
NaDa (622). No kidding.
The protoss with the biggest amount of played televised games.
Reach (374).
The zerg with the biggest amount of played televised games.
YellOw (406).
No big surprise here. Game count might be slightly wrong as TLPD doesn't store all the special events.
The player with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The terran with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The protoss with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The zerg with the best win/lose ratio peak.
The terran with the best win/lose ratio peak in TvZ, in TvT, in TvP.
The protoss with the best win/lose ratio peak in PvT, PvZ, PvP.
The zerg with the best win/lose ratio peak in ZvT, ZvZ, ZvP.
We'd need a minimum amount of games but imho this still would be a bit silly when we have ELO which is a lot more relevant. :p
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On November 24 2008 06:26 Ideas wrote:
What about some stats like player with best record on certain maps? Like sin peaks, python, blue storm, ect (the big maps used for a long time)
Go to a map page then look for the 'Player Stats' tab (was added yesterday).
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On November 24 2008 07:38 Ideas wrote:
What about best win ratios for each year? like what players have the best records for 2008, 2007, ect
Again win ratios don't mean much. We'd need a minimal amount of games. Yearly ELO could probably be done though, but it's a bit of a pain, so I'll do that later. :p
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On November 24 2008 08:19 CDRdude wrote:
What is the longest win streak by matchup (not by player). Like, longest TvZ winstreak, longest ZvT winstreak, TvP/PvT, ZvP/PvZ.
Haven't I answered that in the first page/OP?
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On November 24 2008 09:31 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I second FA's nomination - PvZ balance before and then after Bisu v. Savior GOMTV MSL finals.
Already answered this. (Just added it to the OP.)
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On November 24 2008 10:21 HnR)Insane wrote:
PoP: I thought Joyo played PvT instead of TvT [TvZ TvP PvT]? Like in the epic Paradoxx game with Boxer, he was P. Therefore he wouldn't be included in longest TvT loss streak.
You're absolutely right. Removing him from the list.
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On November 24 2008 01:07 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 00:36 PoP wrote:On November 23 2008 20:53 Aesop wrote:
Longest win streak (overall)
Longest loss streak (overall)
Longest streaks according to matchups.
top5 on all of those. Longest win streak: GoRush (16-0). Longest loss streak: JinNam (0-16). Longest TvT win streak: Midas & NaDa & Canata (10-0). Longest TvT loss streak: BoxeR & Justin & JoyO (0-8). Longest TvZ win streak: iloveoov (27-0). Longest TvZ loss streak: Hery (0-11). Longest TvP win streak: Flash (12-0). Longest TvP loss streak: UpMagiC (0-10). Longest ZvT win streak: YellOw & Jaedong (12-0). Longest ZvT loss streak: Clon & TheWinD & JinNam (0-11). Longest ZvZ win streak: Jaedong (12-0). Longest ZvZ loss streak: JinNam (0-9). Longest ZvP win streak: sAviOr (11-0). Longest ZvP loss streak: Shark (0-7). Longest PvT win streak: Kingdom & Stork (12-0). Longest PvT loss streak: SangHo (0-11). Longest PvZ win streak: JangBi (10-0). Longest PvZ loss streak: TerAtO & fOru & RainBOw (0-9). Longest PvP win streak: BeSt (16-0). Longest PvP loss streak: Zeus (0-10). I dont see anyone touching iloveoov's TvZ streak. Ever.
July, what have you done?
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On November 24 2008 11:59 WorldComunist8 wrote:
Team winning streaks
Team losing streaks
Player history in terms of teams
Team lineups from each team league season (This might be hard)
Team Head 2 Head
Can't answer any of this because TLPD doesn't handle team matches/records/etc.
Player history is actually handled though, but lots of team changes are missing. We need to work on that and then they'll be posted in the player profiles.
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On November 24 2008 16:42 Ver wrote:
Bo3/5 stats for the top players, as well as Ace match records, would be very nice to know if you have the time.
Not available (again, no notion of 'series' right now), sorry.
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I saw GSI is included in the TLPD, is there any particular reason for this, because all other invitational tournaments like BWWI, BlizzCon, SuperFights and international cyber fests are not in.
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This thread should be updated. Jangbi has equalled the PvT winning streak record.
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And flash should be on the TvT streak too
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On December 07 2008 21:48 disciple wrote:
I saw GSI is included in the TLPD, is there any particular reason for this, because all other invitational tournaments like BWWI, BlizzCon, SuperFights and international cyber fests are not in.
GSI counted for Kespa, just thought id get that out there.
The Classic 1 did not, GSI did. Classic 2 did too I believe.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
BWWI and BlizzCon also have pesky non-progamers
SuperFights are just troublesome to implement.
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Pop I never noticed that your icon is a .gif.
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
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Boxer is at 14 OSLs not 15. He royal-roaded Hanbitsoft, then he qualified for every OSL until Gillette where July beat him in the decider. He also missed Ever05. After Shinhan1 he hasnt played in OSL.
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Question about stats:
According to TLPD, Boxer has 253-206. But according to other sites, Boxer has played many mores games.
"Televised match record: 500 wins, 336 losses" (http://boxerforever.com/?p=career).
"total 435 wins - 284 lose" (http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/news.php?id=2868).
"Lim had an impressive record with 500 wins and 336 losses in his professional career." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lim_Yo-Hwan).
The sites above are not as updated as TLPD, I think. But how come Boxer has less games now than before?
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We only count games counted by the Korean eSports Association.
EDIT: According to the YGosu database which IMO is the best SC Progaming Database inside of Korea, Boxer's stats are; 577 Wins 403 Losses (58.9%)
This includes OSL/MSL Preliminaries etc.
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On November 24 2008 07:38 Ideas wrote:
What about best win ratios for each year? like what players have the best records for 2008, 2007, ect
seconded
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what is boxers record while playing for ace?
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Would it be possible to incorporate a view with matchup stats, similar to the Detailed ELO view?
With total wins/losses and wins/losses against each race. Plus an option to specify a time window for the stats. That would make it easy to find out who had the best stats vs zerg during January for example, or who played the most games in the last three months.
How to sort the stats? I'd maybe go with winpercentage² * numberofgames, but I'm sure you can think of a sensible measurement.
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i wonder if there are any "bisu's effect"-like thing involved in TvZ or in the other MUs
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Can we see how 2009 win ratios has gone so far? How many mirrors and such. GOM included and not included.
Perhaps like January to end of March and April to this day separated.
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most one-sided head-to-head competition between two pros?
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On May 13 2009 02:36 Geo.Rion wrote:
most one-sided head-to-head competition between two pros?
July vs Rock? :D
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Jinnam is a great player :D
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On April 16 2009 05:31 Geo.Rion wrote:
i wonder if there are any "bisu's effect"-like thing involved in TvZ or in the other MUs
I'm interested in this too.
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On May 13 2009 02:49 Guss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2009 02:36 Geo.Rion wrote:
most one-sided head-to-head competition between two pros? July vs Rock? :D
savior vs bisu I think
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Terran: 49 golds
Zerg: 35 golds
Protoss: 18 golds
T&Z imba...
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JinNam was so bad at one point... haha
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On November 23 2008 21:21 Burre wrote:
# Matchup all-time records:
* TvZ: 1557-1348 (53.6%)
* ZvP: 1019-890 (53.38%)
* PvT: 1128-1082 (51.04%)
This is really a credit to the awesome racial balance of professional SC. I can't believe it's so close!
From these numbers alone, it would be even better to tweak TvZ and ZvP. PvT seems fine however
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On May 13 2009 04:28 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 21:21 Burre wrote:
# Matchup all-time records:
* TvZ: 1557-1348 (53.6%)
* ZvP: 1019-890 (53.38%)
* PvT: 1128-1082 (51.04%)
This is really a credit to the awesome racial balance of professional SC. I can't believe it's so close! From these numbers alone, it would be even better to tweak TvZ and ZvP. PvT seems fine however
A lot of that is outdated though. Strategies evolve, times evolve.
I would love to see the TvZ, ZvP and PvT matchup stats from 2006 onwards.
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i would like to see a "team history" for every player.
Just short line in which teams that player was and to which teams he got transfered.
like:
MBC Hero -> SKT1 -> STX Soul
(but also include old names like P&C, IS, POS and stuff
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This thread is too awesome, can't get enough of the stats. Poor JinNam, seems like he didn't know when to stop lol.
Like people are saying it would be really cool if you could find some stats on any major shifts in the other matchups and if it's possible to connect them to a certain player or build.
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What about "worst whipping boys", what I mean is the players that have the most games against each other without one of them winning even once, like Stork 6-0 Yarnc or Jangbi 5-0 Stork (these aren't the worst, right?). Preferably top3 for each matchup if possible.
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Bump.
A lot of time has passed, and a lot of games of Starcraft have been played since this thread was last updated. Bisu still hasn't won an OSL, sAviOr didn't destroy everyone in 2009, and two progaming teams don't exist anymore. Mech TvZ was reinvented, refined, nearly abandoned, picked up again, and refined some more. SoulKey brought queens to the forefront of ZvT. By.great hoped to revolutionize ZvZ with his hive tech play, and ultimately failed.
Oh, and a game called Starcraft 2 was released. I hear it's pretty popular.
So how about an update?
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On May 07 2011 15:14 CDRdude wrote:
Bump.
A lot of time has passed, and a lot of games of Starcraft have been played since this thread was last updated. Bisu still hasn't won an OSL, sAviOr didn't destroy everyone in 2009, and two progaming teams don't exist anymore. Mech TvZ was reinvented, refined, nearly abandoned, picked up again, and refined some more. SoulKey brought queens to the forefront of ZvT. By.great hoped to revolutionize ZvZ with his hive tech play, and ultimately failed.
Oh, and a game called Starcraft 2 was released. I hear it's pretty popular.
So how about an update?
I'm sad ... "Bisu still hasn't won an OSL".
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I can update all stats up to the end of round 4 (excluding the post season matches and all individual league matches after that) if people wants
just ask and you shall receive.
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I have another request, in addition to the request for an update. TvZ win/loss stats before and after Fantasy vs GGplay (Incruit OSL semifinals).
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^
On this note:
Fantasy 29 - 10 (74.36%) 08/05/2011 - 12/10/2011
5 of those losses came from Flash.
Fantasy 52 - 19 (73.24%) 05/10/2010 - 12/10/2011
^Larger time frame included, not anything above 75% though...
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5003 Posts
On May 07 2011 16:52 CDRdude wrote:
I have another request, in addition to the request for an update. TvZ win/loss stats before and after Fantasy vs GGplay (Incruit OSL semifinals).
exact date please
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On May 07 2011 18:08 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 16:52 CDRdude wrote:
I have another request, in addition to the request for an update. TvZ win/loss stats before and after Fantasy vs GGplay (Incruit OSL semifinals). exact date please
October 17, 2008
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EPT
