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iloveoov: The Greatest Genius - Page 5
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Darkmole
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Ghostclaws
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fAnTaCy
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Pulimuli
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On October 31 2008 07:50 Ghostclaws wrote: amazing. every time I read about Oov, he's even greater in my mind than before. Oov is the true genius terran? He's a really smart player like BoxeR,something NaDa lacks - but, makes up for with his sick mechanics. I think NaDa said he would have wanted the strategical skill that oov and boxer have. | ||
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We Are Here
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eshlow
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Can't wait for another! | ||
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Railz
United States1449 Posts
On October 31 2008 10:10 Pulimuli wrote: He's a really smart player like BoxeR,something NaDa lacks - but, makes up for with his sick mechanics. I think NaDa said he would have wanted the strategical skill that oov and boxer have. Boxer has also said he envies Nada, so its a trio of jealousy >_> | ||
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timchi
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Ozarugold
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Can't wait for his return!! | ||
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onihunter
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On October 30 2008 19:29 SilverSkyLark wrote: Final Edit please, haha. Great Read. | ||
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StormSnarlX
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NahLGaE
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ketomai
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gg_hertzz
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zgl
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On October 31 2008 14:50 NahLGaE wrote: wow that was really detailed and long. great job. only thing i have to say is that oov isnt the 'most dominating of all time' since that title is clearly taken by savior =) otherwise awesomeee XD No, its Oov: higher elo peak + more success in individual leagues (Oov has 3msl/2osl/1wcg golds, Savior has 3msl/1osl) along with proleague domination Oov vs Reach game 5 was beautiful. Too bad arbiters haven't been "invented" yet. | ||
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b_unnies
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one thing i would like to point out is that oov also made the 8 rax build, even though boxer was the first to use it | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
Yes oov deserves the title of Genius Terran a lot more than Nada, at least in our context. From what I understand, and I might be wrong, the eastern definition of genius is more of someone who is just extremely skilled, which fits Nada perfectly: being the best terran mechanical player in history. Terran Emperor is more fitting for Boxer, the only other contestant for 'Genius Terran.' Flash has shown spurts of brilliance, but hasn't done it for long enough to compare. And after those oov/boxer/flash, no terran is really that smart. oov was known for macro cause he didn't win by outmicroing them and people had to explain his victories somehow lol. But remember that oov did create the macro revolution, the biggest transformation in SC history. He had more units for other reasons than his ability to multitask and make lots of units efficiently, but that was how it looked like. Oh, and he was never wasteful with his forces and always conserved stuff, so his armies would always be larger than possible just by producing; this is in stark contrast to many Terrans who would make an army and throw it away, then do it again. This efficiency was emphasized by Savior as well. Heh, there's a fair amount I would've liked to add to this in the strategy section but I didn't want to put too much/ruin the flow. Other stories. oov was definitely more dominant than Savior. The only person who can be compared to oov in dominance is Flash; who I will post for comparison below. The only thing Savior can lay claim to is that he dominated for slightly longer. But oov dominated much harder and did it from the very first games of his career. Compare the records/time lengths: + Show Spoiler + oov in absolute peak form, up until facing Julyzerg 03/04/05-04/07/01. Nearly 15 months. 77-20 Overall (79%) 32-15 TvT (68%) 27-0 TvZ (100%) 18-5 TvP (78%) oov start of career to ever osl victory 03/04/05-04/11/20. 19 1/2 months. 114-48 Overall (70%) 45-28 TvT (62%) 37-9 TvZ (80%) 32-11 TvP (74%) Savior: Uzoo Msl to pre-Bisu 05/04/28-07/02/24 Nearly 22 months 90-41 Overall (69%) 25-16 ZvZ (61%) 33-15 ZvT (69%) 32-10 ZvP (76%) Flash dominant streak 08/01/02-08/06/11 5 1/3 months Bacchus to pre-Luxury loss, where he was clearly exposed as losing the magic and playing standard. When in Bacchus Flash turned 'on' I can't really tell, so I just took the whole thing. 56-16 Overall (78%) 16-3 TvT (84%) 16-6 TvZ (72%) 24-7 TvP (77%) Flash did his in a much shorter time, which a) shows that he did not have the longetivity of the others nor the accomplishments (2 titles vs 4+1 silver), but b) was ridiculously overused to the point of sheer exhaustion. In terms of accomplishments, oov no question accomplished more. Superfights vs WCG/iTv. 5 golds and two bronze I believe, rather than 4 and 2 silvers. While I do not quite know who overall was better in proleague, oov or Anytime, oov also single-handedly won the allkill leagues, making him the best teamplay player ever. Savior, while doing quite well in proleague, was not oov level. The main difference is that Savior is dominant of the sense of, why doesn't this guy lose! He went 3-2 or 2-1 in so many major series it was ridiculous. oov on the other hand...didn't lose. 27-0 TvZ. Let me repeat that again. 27-0, against a mix of absolute top notch zergs and medium level ones. NOTHING compares to that. Both played against the absolute best competition possible. Both beat down the bonjwas. But Savior dropped more random games for really random reasons and wasn't mentally strong for the same reasons oov was. And oov came back after his bonjwa reign to take another title, and it's pretty obvious he would've won Cyon MSL too if Savior was not in the way. Savior, after the fall at the hands of Bisu, has never made another finals. At least until 2009, yes? On October 31 2008 15:33 b_unnies wrote: thats a really really nice article one thing i would like to point out is that oov also made the 8 rax build, even though boxer was the first to use it Seriously? If you remember where you saw that, please point me to it! | ||
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Railz
United States1449 Posts
On October 31 2008 15:06 gg_hertzz wrote: i never got the impression that oov was great at macro. i know that it's what he's known for and that it figures into one of his nicknames (cheater terran) but i just don't see it. Read this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67579 + Show Spoiler + The age old question regarding Oov is: how did he do it? How did he produce more units than anyone thought was reasonable? Oov's play was actually rather sloppy. Very often he would forget midgame supply depots or mismanage his money and be forced to build more factories to compensate. So very often those billions of factories that were an Oov trademark were the result of sloppy play. Cold hard unit production was not Oov's strongest point, not by a long shot. Boxer's tutelage had taught Oov the fundamentals of the game and this honed his game sense above all other things. His game sense is what is revolutionary about Oov, not his unit production. He knew the right time to expand and pressure and when it was time to defend and consolidate gains. His razor sharp sense allowed him to push the boundaries of what was deemed acceptable, and was thus able to compensate for his lack of production/supply management. -Plexa He made himself appear large which disrupted his opponents. | ||
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gg_hertzz
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On October 31 2008 16:17 Railz wrote: Read this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67579 + Show Spoiler + The age old question regarding Oov is: how did he do it? How did he produce more units than anyone thought was reasonable? Oov's play was actually rather sloppy. Very often he would forget midgame supply depots or mismanage his money and be forced to build more factories to compensate. So very often those billions of factories that were an Oov trademark were the result of sloppy play. Cold hard unit production was not Oov's strongest point, not by a long shot. Boxer's tutelage had taught Oov the fundamentals of the game and this honed his game sense above all other things. His game sense is what is revolutionary about Oov, not his unit production. He knew the right time to expand and pressure and when it was time to defend and consolidate gains. His razor sharp sense allowed him to push the boundaries of what was deemed acceptable, and was thus able to compensate for his lack of production/supply management. -Plexa He made himself appear large which disrupted his opponents. i don't normally say this but holy shit that was helpful. Plexa has great insight. | ||
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ambit!ous1
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