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On April 25 2008 02:44 StRyKeR wrote:
Man wtf
this zynastor guy using his talent create hacks disgusts me
Can Moto or anyone teach me how to write antihacks? I wanna join the battle against hackers
I think they do it because they believe that hacks aren't innately evil, people are and they can't control who uses their programs after the publicly release them. I can't see any way that a hack could be used for the benefit of the BW community, though. Personally, I'd like to talk to these guys myself to find out why they write them, I'm sure they'd have some interesting things to say.
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Germany2896 Posts
On April 25 2008 03:01 StRyKeR wrote:
From what I've garnered, this seems virtually impossible though. My assumptions:
* Hacker's Starcraft already knows where all of my units are. The only difference in the game is that Hacker cannot, without hacking, get vision of my units.
* If my units are locally held in RAM on Hacker's computer, he can access the location without ever transmitting the fact that he has access over the internet.
That is basically correct. Maphacks modify some functions of SC, so it draws units even if they are in the FoW. This can be completely clientsided.
The traces found in the replay are usually
1) an exploit like minhack, impossible to hide
2) botfeatures like automine, selectionhack, can sometimes be detected by actionpatterns
3) Interaction with invisible units(selecting and targetting). Safeclicks prevent that, but a bug(or lazyness) in the safeclick feature of oblivion removed all selections of enemy units. So these can be prevented if the hacker is carefull and makes no mistakes.
On April 25 2008 03:01 StRyKeR wrote:Map triggering seems most promising. What kind of advanced map editing tools would I need?
I think that method won't work for long. You are too restricted and the hackers can easily adapt. Like to the antihack in this thread.
So only clientsided programs remain. This in mainly a battle who is willing to spend more time. ICCup scans BW-Memory for changes using their antihack program.
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fucking fucking shit fuck sakes mother fucker jesus fucking christ
Zynastor for next interview. do it
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On April 25 2008 04:44 MasterOfChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 03:01 StRyKeR wrote:
From what I've garnered, this seems virtually impossible though. My assumptions:
* Hacker's Starcraft already knows where all of my units are. The only difference in the game is that Hacker cannot, without hacking, get vision of my units.
* If my units are locally held in RAM on Hacker's computer, he can access the location without ever transmitting the fact that he has access over the internet. That is basically correct. Maphacks modify some functions of SC, so it draws units even if they are in the FoW. This can be completely clientsided. The traces found in the replay are usually 1) an exploit like minhack, impossible to hide 2) botfeatures like automine, selectionhack, can sometimes be detected by actionpatterns 3) Interaction with invisible units(selecting and targetting). Safeclicks prevent that, but a bug(or lazyness) in the safeclick feature of oblivion removed all selections of enemy units. So these can be prevented if the hacker is carefull and makes no mistakes. Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 03:01 StRyKeR wrote:Map triggering seems most promising. What kind of advanced map editing tools would I need? I think that method won't work for long. You are too restricted and the hackers can easily adapt. Like to the antihack in this thread. So only clientsided programs remain. This in mainly a battle who is willing to spend more time. ICCup scans BW-Memory for changes using their antihack program.
Is the iCCUP launcher adaptable by hackers? I suppose hackers in pub games really can't be caught.
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Germany2896 Posts
every antihack can be cracked. But the work required to bring a AH-Client to work again is smaller, because usually you don't need to change the whole way it works.
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i don't think zynastor figured out how my maps work yet
send me link to his "new" hack
EDIT: rofl nvm i found his new hack, brb im going to see if it works
EDIT 2: His hack still drops vs the antihack maps..
EDIT 3: nvm.. his hack doesn't drop. I could make a new map that would drop his new hack though, but he would just re-update his hack quickly, so it's useless.
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On April 25 2008 03:07 IzzyCraft wrote:
Sigh zynastor good programing talent and extensive know how of sc leads him to create hacks instead of useful mods like choasplugin, lat changer etc.
Dude, do you just slam your head against the keyboard when you make a post?
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On April 25 2008 08:26 ChaosKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 03:07 IzzyCraft wrote:
Sigh zynastor good programing talent and extensive know how of sc leads him to create hacks instead of useful mods like choasplugin, lat changer etc. Dude, do you just slam your head against the keyboard when you make a post?
Psh you've known me for years i dont slam my head i just pound on it with one hadn until its close enough
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ive found an issue with these maps, the reps i saved with the games played on these maps are corrupt...
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so new hack doesnt get found here and it corrupts the reps?
Sounds like a worthless thread/anti hack map anyways.
close thread! OH NOES I TOOK A MOD JOB!
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actually i take it back, if you speed the rep to x8 or higher, itll corrupt it. idk why. im watching it @ x2 now.
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On April 25 2008 07:30 iCafe.Moto G-_-G wrote:
i don't think zynastor figured out how my maps work yet
send me link to his "new" hack
EDIT: rofl nvm i found his new hack, brb im going to see if it works
EDIT 2: His hack still drops vs the antihack maps..
EDIT 3: nvm.. his hack doesn't drop. I could make a new map that would drop his new hack though, but he would just re-update his hack quickly, so it's useless. What exactly did he do?
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So Icafe.moto just joined a game on West spoofed as SlayerS_`Boxer` and started spamming his G-_-G's like no tomorrow. Luckily, /whois SlayerS_`Boxer` and /whois icafe.moto revealed his evil to the world.
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is that why was moto nuked? (he has nuke icon, meaning banned?)
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"iCafe.Moto G-_-G was just banned by FakeSteve[TPR].
That account was created on 2008-04-16 12:43:25 and had 23 posts.
Reason: icafe.moto is still not allowed to post here"
w/e that means
"2nd note: I think I found a different way/method to detect oblivion unrelated to the methods used in these maps, but FakeSteve banned me from Teamliquid.net.. so fuck everyone. I don't want to waste my time by trying to help you noobs out when all u do is ban me from sites. I give up."
Great attitude...not
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ZYNASTOR UPDATED OBLIVION TO NOT BE DETECTED BY THESE MAPS
Zynastor updated his hacks to not be dropped by these maps. I could re-do some of the triggers to drop his new hack update, but he would just re-update his hacks to counter this... so i give up trying to detect hacks the way these maps do.
2nd note: I think I found a different way/method to detect oblivion unrelated to the methods used in these maps, but FakeSteve banned me from Teamliquid.net.. so fuck everyone. I don't want to waste my time by trying to help you noobs out when all u do is ban me from sites. I give up.
-iCafe.Moto
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Thx alot steve
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Battle of wills and frankly Zynastors will is porably infinately stronger then iCafe.Moto
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Anyone know what change exactly did oblivion do to detect the maps?
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On April 25 2008 12:06 KoveN- wrote:
ZYNASTOR UPDATED OBLIVION TO NOT BE DETECTED BY THESE MAPS
Zynastor updated his hacks to not be dropped by these maps. I could re-do some of the triggers to drop his new hack update, but he would just re-update his hacks to counter this... so i give up trying to detect hacks the way these maps do.
2nd note: I think I found a different way/method to detect oblivion unrelated to the methods used in these maps, but FakeSteve banned me from Teamliquid.net.. so fuck everyone. I don't want to waste my time by trying to help you noobs out when all u do is ban me from sites. I give up.
-iCafe.Moto
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Thx alot steve
Yeah Steve you douche, I blame the next time I get min+map+drophacked on your fucking high standards. Since when is spamming G-_-G and being a complete ass-wipe a bannable offense?
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Wtf Steve, I dunno why he got banned in the first place, but do you have a personal grudge against this guy or something? He's just trying to spread some AH maps here...
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