• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:46
CET 13:46
KST 21:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship2[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage1Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win62025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting RSL S3 Round of 16 [TLCH] Mission 7: Last Stand Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4 WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ RSL S3 ro16
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Dating: How's your luck? Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1789 users

Possible new maps for SSL 1? - Page 2

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
6KAI6EL6
Profile Joined May 2024
5 Posts
May 30 2024 22:05 GMT
#21
Anyone else running into building placement issues on kickback?
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
May 31 2024 00:08 GMT
#22
This map pool is the most terrible I've ever seen so far.

I wonder how difficult to make some maps are not 4 players maps with 16 bases? Maybe it's renew map pool for ladder seasons.

There are so many great maps were created I saw in this forum, panschk .de, https://bj.afreecatv.com/afstar1/posts/53049736?page=1

Just look at this, from one person loves Green Natural
https://bj.afreecatv.com/afstar1/post/124102335?page=1

Nice maps usually make nice games, boring maps often make bored games. Do you remember ASL 17? Troy SE, Blitz Y saved the league.
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4225 Posts
May 31 2024 07:07 GMT
#23
On May 31 2024 01:04 zlald wrote:
last Monday, 4 maps above has been announced for 4 players maps candidates.
this Monday, we will see another 2-3p candidate maps, and next Monday another some candidate maps.

not all of them will be in the league. official map pool will be announced on 15th, July

Nice, thank you for the info
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5181 Posts
May 31 2024 12:12 GMT
#24
Maps need to both satisfy the players and the viewers, only a compromis is ever possible here.
Without players there is no tournament and without viewers there is no prizepool and thus no players. The lower the prize pool, the more you have to adhere to which maps the players prefer to play on (and that's usually not the ones viewers care a lot about).

Luckily for us viewers ASL SSL still has its prestige. So despite only making top 4 would make it financially worthwhile for those who actually could, most players still care to play in it. Anyway... Let's see those 2/3p maps already ^^
FBH #1!
Volka
Profile Joined December 2010
Argentina410 Posts
May 31 2024 13:56 GMT
#25
Wait, what? No more ASL? What is this SSL thing? any info in english?
http://www.starsite.com.ar
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10230 Posts
May 31 2024 14:57 GMT
#26
On May 31 2024 22:56 Volka wrote:
Wait, what? No more ASL? What is this SSL thing? any info in english?

Afreeca rebranded to Soop, so now its SSL instead of ASL. It's the same thing, just with a different name.

Really hoping that the 2 and 3 player maps that will be released can show us some variety. Or just bring back some classics like Sylphid honestly. Other old classics that could be reintroduced like Gladiator if they wanted another reused 4p map.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
May 31 2024 15:49 GMT
#27
season 1 sounds good.
SSL was nice to watch. It will be even better this time.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
June 01 2024 22:35 GMT
#28
XSL - a missed opportunity. Elon, you bought wrong company!
sunbeams are never made like me...
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
534 Posts
June 02 2024 11:52 GMT
#29
Like it or not, the best Brood War games are played on what we would today call a standard macro map.

These maps allow players to express their skills and play the game the way they have practiced.

It's important to understand that maps with unusual features, such as additional blocked entrances with minerals, eggs, or buildings, additional expansions, weird expansions, and other quirky elements, are likely to be unbalanced.

While it might be entertaining to see Messi and Ronaldo play football in high heels, it would not result in a better game of football.

However, I'd be glad if we had more 2-player or 3-player maps. Due to the symmetries and expansion placement constraints, much of the possible design space on 4-player maps has already been sufficiently explored. This is not yet the case for 2-player and 3-player maps.
(*^^)(^*)
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19295 Posts
June 02 2024 12:33 GMT
#30
On May 30 2024 23:41 moktira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2024 06:15 GTR wrote:
are they legitimately rebranding it to the soop star league because it is one of the dumbest decisions of all time given the fact the SSL abbreviation has been tainted by sonic (not to mention it has been used by multiple tournament organizers in the past, which will cause inevitable confusion)

I didn't follow the later SSLs at the time, why do you say "tainted"?

Hyo Jin “Sonic” Hwang, founder of the Sonic Starleague (SSL) and the shoe brand Sbenu, experienced a dramatic rise and fall in his career. Initially, Sonic gained popularity as a broadcasting jockey for AfreecaTV, capitalizing on the growing eSports trend in Korea. He founded SSL in 2009, creating a platform for amateur and retired professional StarCraft players, and used profits from his online shoe store to fund these tournaments.

Sonic's business, initially named Shinbal Farm and later rebranded as Sbenu, quickly grew due to his aggressive marketing strategies, including endorsements from K-pop stars like IU and AOA, and even sponsoring Manchester United. However, the company faced issues with product quality and accusations of design theft. The real trouble began when suppliers and franchisees filed complaints, accusing Sbenu of defaulting on payments and engaging in financial mismanagement. Sbenu’s excessive marketing expenditures, combined with unpaid debts, led to a severe cash flow crisis. Sonic was ultimately found guilty of embezzlement and fraud, leading to his downfall and the collapse of both Sbenu and SSL.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States365 Posts
June 03 2024 06:56 GMT
#31
Obligatory "Bring Back Sparkle" post... but I guess for an "inaugural" starleague they might be playing it safe.

Definitely a -1 on rebranding but it is what it is :\ I guess 8 years of ASLs was a good run. Wonder how liquidpedia is gonna deal with the SSL names colliding.
zlald
Profile Joined October 2019
Korea (South)34 Posts
June 03 2024 08:08 GMT
#32
[image loading]

(3)Dominator

[image loading]

(3)Random Forest

[image loading]

(2)Back Street

[image loading]

(2)Minstrel

[image loading]

(2)Catalyst

https://910map.tistory.com/201
NEW MAPPACK UPLOADED !
2019.10.27.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
June 03 2024 10:57 GMT
#33
On May 31 2024 23:57 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2024 22:56 Volka wrote:
Wait, what? No more ASL? What is this SSL thing? any info in english?

Afreeca rebranded to Soop, so now its SSL instead of ASL. It's the same thing, just with a different name.

Really hoping that the 2 and 3 player maps that will be released can show us some variety. Or just bring back some classics like Sylphid honestly. Other old classics that could be reintroduced like Gladiator if they wanted another reused 4p map.

monkey's paw curls, we get a 3p gladiator.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8487 Posts
June 03 2024 11:16 GMT
#34
Random forest looks so strange...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States711 Posts
June 03 2024 15:12 GMT
#35
Wow!!! All of the newly uploaded maps look AMAZING! I can't contain my excitement :D

To that guy who said that all good games come from standard maps - Best vs Light on 76 is contrary proof. I'm not sure if I can defend Sparkle being a good map - but I'd 100% rather have a Sparkle in the pool than no risks being taken. Some pros are absolute optimizers, and some pros are the more creative sort. I want the creative pros to get more love - and the maps I'm seeing here look like that's what's happening!
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10230 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-03 15:54:18
June 03 2024 15:53 GMT
#36
On June 03 2024 19:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2024 23:57 FlaShFTW wrote:
On May 31 2024 22:56 Volka wrote:
Wait, what? No more ASL? What is this SSL thing? any info in english?

Afreeca rebranded to Soop, so now its SSL instead of ASL. It's the same thing, just with a different name.

Really hoping that the 2 and 3 player maps that will be released can show us some variety. Or just bring back some classics like Sylphid honestly. Other old classics that could be reintroduced like Gladiator if they wanted another reused 4p map.

monkey's paw curls, we get a 3p gladiator.

I can't stop laughing at the absurdity. You're welcome everyone.

I love Minstrel, definitely my favorite of the lot so far. The other 2p and 3p maps are a bit too wonky for me to wrap my head around atm (except for Dominator). Don't like the look of Random forest personally, think there's too much going on for my eyes. With 0 ramps, it honestly almost feels like some random blizzard map.

Catalyst is just slightly better Chain Reaction imo.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
MeIIOw
Profile Joined April 2020
United States77 Posts
June 03 2024 17:56 GMT
#37
Not impressed with most of these submissions.
remember that time idra was winning and he rage quit?
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3016 Posts
June 03 2024 18:06 GMT
#38
Random Forest looks like one of those Blizzard maps that you can find in the default map folder when you first install the game.
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1545 Posts
June 03 2024 18:24 GMT
#39
On June 02 2024 21:33 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2024 23:41 moktira wrote:
On May 30 2024 06:15 GTR wrote:
are they legitimately rebranding it to the soop star league because it is one of the dumbest decisions of all time given the fact the SSL abbreviation has been tainted by sonic (not to mention it has been used by multiple tournament organizers in the past, which will cause inevitable confusion)

I didn't follow the later SSLs at the time, why do you say "tainted"?

Hyo Jin “Sonic” Hwang, founder of the Sonic Starleague (SSL) and the shoe brand Sbenu, experienced a dramatic rise and fall in his career. Initially, Sonic gained popularity as a broadcasting jockey for AfreecaTV, capitalizing on the growing eSports trend in Korea. He founded SSL in 2009, creating a platform for amateur and retired professional StarCraft players, and used profits from his online shoe store to fund these tournaments.

Sonic's business, initially named Shinbal Farm and later rebranded as Sbenu, quickly grew due to his aggressive marketing strategies, including endorsements from K-pop stars like IU and AOA, and even sponsoring Manchester United. However, the company faced issues with product quality and accusations of design theft. The real trouble began when suppliers and franchisees filed complaints, accusing Sbenu of defaulting on payments and engaging in financial mismanagement. Sbenu’s excessive marketing expenditures, combined with unpaid debts, led to a severe cash flow crisis. Sonic was ultimately found guilty of embezzlement and fraud, leading to his downfall and the collapse of both Sbenu and SSL.

Thanks for this! Reading it I do have vague memories of the financial mismanagement but had completely forgotten until I read it! Is Sonic still around?
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19295 Posts
June 03 2024 18:44 GMT
#40
On June 04 2024 03:24 moktira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2024 21:33 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 30 2024 23:41 moktira wrote:
On May 30 2024 06:15 GTR wrote:
are they legitimately rebranding it to the soop star league because it is one of the dumbest decisions of all time given the fact the SSL abbreviation has been tainted by sonic (not to mention it has been used by multiple tournament organizers in the past, which will cause inevitable confusion)

I didn't follow the later SSLs at the time, why do you say "tainted"?

Hyo Jin “Sonic” Hwang, founder of the Sonic Starleague (SSL) and the shoe brand Sbenu, experienced a dramatic rise and fall in his career. Initially, Sonic gained popularity as a broadcasting jockey for AfreecaTV, capitalizing on the growing eSports trend in Korea. He founded SSL in 2009, creating a platform for amateur and retired professional StarCraft players, and used profits from his online shoe store to fund these tournaments.

Sonic's business, initially named Shinbal Farm and later rebranded as Sbenu, quickly grew due to his aggressive marketing strategies, including endorsements from K-pop stars like IU and AOA, and even sponsoring Manchester United. However, the company faced issues with product quality and accusations of design theft. The real trouble began when suppliers and franchisees filed complaints, accusing Sbenu of defaulting on payments and engaging in financial mismanagement. Sbenu’s excessive marketing expenditures, combined with unpaid debts, led to a severe cash flow crisis. Sonic was ultimately found guilty of embezzlement and fraud, leading to his downfall and the collapse of both Sbenu and SSL.

Thanks for this! Reading it I do have vague memories of the financial mismanagement but had completely forgotten until I read it! Is Sonic still around?

I haven't heard him mentioned in relation to Starcraft since he was in trouble with the law.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Open Qualifier #2
WardiTV405
LiquipediaDiscussion
Replay Cast
09:00
Crank Gathers S2: Playoffs D4
CranKy Ducklings130
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Codebar 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 27322
Rain 8158
Bisu 3065
Pusan 531
Stork 392
Hyuk 311
Last 234
Leta 151
Barracks 135
ToSsGirL 121
[ Show more ]
Liquid`Ret 52
Aegong 45
Sharp 41
JulyZerg 26
sas.Sziky 26
zelot 25
Icarus 24
Free 19
Yoon 19
Terrorterran 5
Shine 4
Dota 2
XcaliburYe842
qojqva93
420jenkins46
Counter-Strike
x6flipin455
edward27
Other Games
singsing1603
B2W.Neo343
crisheroes273
Pyrionflax240
Fuzer 190
Happy183
XaKoH 144
SortOf96
Sick81
DeMusliM73
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL127
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 15
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 73
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2589
• Stunt582
Upcoming Events
LAN Event
2h 14m
OSC
10h 14m
The PondCast
21h 14m
LAN Event
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 10h
OSC
1d 23h
LAN Event
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
LAN Event
3 days
IPSL
3 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
LAN Event
4 days
IPSL
4 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.