We had some bangers in this season (Mini v Barracks, Soulkey vs Snow) that come close. But which is the best of all time? Other candidates possibly include:
Effort v Flash (the whole series, ASL 6 finals) Effort v Last (burrow shenanigans) Nada v Larva (nuclear rush) Action v Best (into the late late game, S15 Ro8 game 3) Snow v Flash (ASL 5, games 3 and 5 in particular) Soulkey vs JyJ (wraith play into macro on 76) Flash's random run
Some of Shine's shenanigans (Guardian rush vs Light, Bag of Builds vs Bisu, Nydus rush vs Mong, slow lurker drop vs Royal, etc.)
Plenty more I'm sure i'm forgetting
Lots of games are great. But which one is the *very best*?
Recency bias probably plays a big part here but in terms of uniqueness which is my top criteria for "greatest games" then Best vs Light on 76, Best vs Action on Nemesis, Barracks vs Mini on Apocalypse have to be up there.
Shame that 76 didn't see more games in ASL. There are weird maps that produce shit games (Arkanoid, Plasma) but there are weird maps that produce one of a kind games like 76.
couple contenders: Best vs Light on 76. Up until that game 76 was widely considered lame even by the pros. That one game completely changed the map and consequently saved it. Light Vs Larva on Ringing Bloom
1) When Shine and Action made hidden incubators in and near the enemy base. Then put a Nidus channel and used it to move all the troops. (Shine do that vs Mong)
2)This is the Flash vs Jaedong game when JD won using hydralisks.
3)Shine vs EffOrt. ZvZ when one zerg didn't have time for mutalisks and built a lot of spores and zerglings.
4)[ReD]NaDa vs Larva. Koga NaDa threw a nuke (if I'm not mistaken).
Also just remembered: soma vs jyj from ASL12 Ro24. Soma hangs on for dear life against JYJ's 1-base tank push in an incredibly intense game with basically 15 minutes of nonstop action.
You know the KeSPA era game in which Bisu at bottom left plays against Flash at top right in snow terrain? Flash is doing his iconic mid game push against Bisu. Bisu crushes it and as the dragoons are traversing diagonally across the screen he starts jumping up and down? That will always be my favourite Starcraft moment.
On April 30 2024 23:25 Ideas wrote: Also just remembered: soma vs jyj from ASL12 Ro24. Soma hangs on for dear life against JYJ's 1-base tank push in an incredibly intense game with basically 15 minutes of nonstop action.
Flash vs Sea - ASL 2 Finals Match 2 Rush vs Mind - ASL 4 Ro24 Decider Match Mind vs Flash - ASL 4 Ro8 Match 2 Light vs Sharp - ASTL 1 Ro4 Match 5 Rush vs Light - ASL 11 Ro16 Decider Match 1 Light vs Rush - ASL 14 Ro8 Match 3 RoyaL vs Rush - ASL 14 Finals Match 1 and 4
TvZ
Zero vs Flash - ASL 1 Ro16 Group C Match 1 Hyun vs Flash - ASL 3 Ro16 Match 1 Hero vs Flash - ASL 4 Finals Match 3 Mind vs Hero - ASL 5 Ro8 Match 1 Soma vs JyJ - ASL 12 Ro16 Match 2 Mong vs Soulkey - ASL 13 Ro24 Deciders Match Shine vs Light - ASL 14 Ro16 Winners Match 2 RoyaL vs Soulkey - ASL 14 Ro4 All Matches
TvP
Last vs Shuttle - ASL 1 Ro4 Match 3 Snow vs Flash - ASL 5 Ro8 Match 2 and 3 Sharp vs Guemchi - ASL 6 Ro24 Winners Match Light vs Best - ASL 10 Ro16 Decider Match 1 Last vs Rain - ASL 7 Ro4 Match 3 sSak vs Mini - ASL 15 Ro24 Deciders Match Light vs Best - ASL 15 Ro16 Winners Match 2
ZvZ
Larva vs Jaedong - ASL 5 Ro16 Match 1 Soma vs Queen - ASL 10 Finals Match 7 Queen vs Hero - ASL 11 3rd Place Match 5 Action vs Beast - ASL 12 Ro24 Losers Match JD vs Soulkey - ASL 13 Ro16 Match 2
ZvP
Rain vs Effort - ASL 2 Ro24 Winners Match Larva vs Rain - ASL 4 Ro8 Match 3 and 4 Soma vs Snow - ASL 10 Ro8 Match 1 Shuttle vs Larva - ASL 5 Ro16 Winners Match Rain vs Hero - ASL 5 Ro4 Match 1 Hero vs Mini - ASL 5 3rd place Match 5 Best vs Shine - ASL 6 Ro16 Losers Match Queen vs Mini - ASL 11 Ro16 Winners Match 2 Larva vs Snow - ASL 11 Ro16 Winners Match 2 and 3 Hero vs Snow - ASL 11 Ro8 Match 3 Rain vs Soma - ASL 13 Ro4 Match 2, 3 and Hero vs Mini - ASL 14 Ro16 Match 2 Soulkey vs Snow - ASL 17 Ro4 Match Game 3
PvP
Rain vs Shuttle - ASL 5 Ro8 Match 1 Flash vs Snow - ASL 10 Ro16 Winners Match 2 Snow vs Free - ASL 10 Ro16 Decider Match 3
This is not an ASL game, but I thought I'd link to it anyways because people have been so pissed off about ZvZ recently. Queen plays a 30min ZvZ in ladder (starting at 4:30)
On May 02 2024 01:55 cheesehuehue wrote: This is not an ASL game, but I thought I'd link to it anyways because people have been so pissed off about ZvZ recently. Queen plays a 30min ZvZ in ladder (starting at 4:30) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5XlRjCaNag&t=4m30s
On April 30 2024 16:52 TMNT wrote: Effort vs Action has to be a contender for sure.
Recency bias probably plays a big part here but in terms of uniqueness which is my top criteria for "greatest games" then Best vs Light on 76, Best vs Action on Nemesis, Barracks vs Mini on Apocalypse have to be up there.
Shame that 76 didn't see more games in ASL. There are weird maps that produce shit games (Arkanoid, Plasma) but there are weird maps that produce one of a kind games like 76.
On April 30 2024 16:52 TMNT wrote: Effort vs Action has to be a contender for sure.
Recency bias probably plays a big part here but in terms of uniqueness which is my top criteria for "greatest games" then Best vs Light on 76, Best vs Action on Nemesis, Barracks vs Mini on Apocalypse have to be up there.
Shame that 76 didn't see more games in ASL. There are weird maps that produce shit games (Arkanoid, Plasma) but there are weird maps that produce one of a kind games like 76.
Agree. Miss 76.
Same, same.. great map for a BW spectator, that's for sure.
On May 02 2024 01:55 cheesehuehue wrote: This is not an ASL game, but I thought I'd link to it anyways because people have been so pissed off about ZvZ recently. Queen plays a 30min ZvZ in ladder (starting at 4:30) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5XlRjCaNag&t=4m30s
On May 02 2024 01:55 cheesehuehue wrote: This is not an ASL game, but I thought I'd link to it anyways because people have been so pissed off about ZvZ recently. Queen plays a 30min ZvZ in ladder (starting at 4:30) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5XlRjCaNag&t=4m30s
Almost forgot: as an old-school Calm fan it was so awesome seeing him make an ASL comeback and bust out a brain-zerg style build against Last in the Ro16 and then beat Snow afterward to come out of his group in first place:
On April 30 2024 04:46 SerpentFlame wrote: What is the best ASL game of all time?
We had some bangers in this season (Mini v Barracks, Soulkey vs Snow) that come close. But which is the best of all time? Other candidates possibly include:
Effort v Flash (the whole series, ASL 6 finals) Effort v Last (burrow shenanigans) Nada v Larva (nuclear rush) Action v Best (into the late late game, S15 Ro8 game 3) Snow v Flash (ASL 5, games 3 and 5 in particular) Soulkey vs JyJ (wraith play into macro on 76) Flash's random run
Some of Shine's shenanigans (Guardian rush vs Light, Bag of Builds vs Bisu, Nydus rush vs Mong, slow lurker drop vs Royal, etc.)
Plenty more I'm sure i'm forgetting
Lots of games are great. But which one is the *very best*?
That 600th ASL game was some tour de force! Last playing that greedily against the most aggressive ZvZ expert, I mean against Effort was some understatement!
Can everyone step back and realize that Effort creates some of the craziest games and series out of any pro player in the game and in all 3 match ups at that. He always just seems to make the match that much more insane in terms of time, macro, which I think stems a bit off him at times having insane economies that most other zergs don't usually match.
Really good game. Felt like a game of Go honestly with blobs of red and blue mingling on the mini map all over the place. So many small fights across the map.
EPT
JyJ <Retro> 
Soulkey
