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[Spoilers] The Bonjwa Story - Page 2

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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
October 27 2007 20:43 GMT
#21
lawl h.m,mmmmmmmm
3 MSL winner curse lol haha

interseting read thanks
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
October 27 2007 20:58 GMT
#22
Ya, Savior didn't win his first MSL appearance, he found an early exit, and then won in his second one (UZOO).

It'll be interesting to see who Bisu loses to, and if they will be the next bonjwa.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-27 21:21:34
October 27 2007 21:09 GMT
#23
Ah right, it wasn't Savior's first MSL. Only checked the previous one.

[Actually, it wasn't even Nada's first MSL either, since he lost to IntoTheRain during KPGA Tour 1st (which Boxer won).]

Editing opening post. Other facts still remain.
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hwasingodlysense
Profile Joined August 2007
79 Posts
October 27 2007 21:11 GMT
#24
On October 28 2007 04:13 Honk2000 wrote:
it's funny that (T)NaDa always loses to (T)Oov and (T)Oov to (Z)sAviOr and (Z)sAviOr to (P)Bisu.

LOL u fool!
iloveoov > savior in superfight.

the recent ones is iloveoov owning savior.
your theory fails.
you forgot that south korea supports hwasin. why lecaf oz was 8-0 in proleague? answer: experience and dedication. there is no mystery or trick. korean proleague is made of starcraft champions.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
October 27 2007 21:17 GMT
#25
On October 28 2007 06:11 hwasingodlysense wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2007 04:13 Honk2000 wrote:
it's funny that (T)NaDa always loses to (T)Oov and (T)Oov to (Z)sAviOr and (Z)sAviOr to (P)Bisu.

LOL u fool!
iloveoov > savior in superfight.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eYOVi5Y80dk
the recent ones is iloveoov owning savior.
your theory fails.


No, he's right. Savior is 6-0 vs him in official matches. This was a special event, and only one game anyway. The records are there: any bonjwa seems to be automatically jinxed vs the following one.

Nada is 5-16 against Oov in official games (also lost in some chinese event finals).
Oov is 0-6 against Savior (also lost in some chinese event, but won in Superfight).
Savior is 0-3 against Bisu (also lost at least twice in special events).
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.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
October 27 2007 21:32 GMT
#26
Not jinxed, but the so-called bonjwa seems to standardize a part of his own style among the pros, which leads to the next one to become specialized in dismantling that style.
If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
October 27 2007 21:34 GMT
#27
On October 28 2007 06:32 .dragoon wrote:
Not jinxed, but the so-called bonjwa seems to standardize a part of his own style among the pros, which leads to the next one to become specialized in dismantling that style.


Yeah, that's probably a better way to put it.
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
October 27 2007 21:34 GMT
#28
wow nice
i didnt even notice how that went until now really >_>
bisu will fall!
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20667 Posts
October 27 2007 21:35 GMT
#29
Only two of that list are Royal Roaders though

Iono, I always thought Royal Roader is much cooler title than Bonjwa.
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.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-27 21:47:26
October 27 2007 21:41 GMT
#30
The "standardization" is what creates the next bowjwa. The domination of the bowjwa depends on this standardization among the pros from the previous one. So when they crossover (like nada vs savior or oov vs bisu), all bets are off.

And the "level of play starts dropping a bit" really isn't that he's playing worse, but that people around him are playing better because of him.

If you look at Boxer's case, it's different. His era was in the wild.
If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-27 21:51:09
October 27 2007 21:48 GMT
#31
On October 28 2007 06:41 .dragoon wrote:
And the "level of play starts dropping a bit" really isn't that he's playing worse, but that people around him are playing better because of him.


I only partially agree with that. Usually, when these players win the OSL, they have reached the highest (professional) goals they could ever dream of: winning the two most competitive tournaments that exist. You could clearly see that NaDa had lost his "invincibleness" right after Panasonic. He went from extremely determined/confident during Panasonic to sloppy/nervous during Olympus. He was playing significantly worse because of this. He had nothing left to win, only stuff to lose.

Same happened to Oov, while Savior seems to still have "it" since his OSL loss... just a tad less, which makes all the difference.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 27 2007 21:56 GMT
#32
마본좌
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20667 Posts
October 27 2007 21:56 GMT
#33
That silly Yoon-Yeol is a bit of an anomaly though, because he's won two further OSL to get Golden Mouse.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-27 21:59:28
October 27 2007 21:59 GMT
#34
On October 28 2007 06:56 Last Romantic wrote:
That silly Yoon-Yeol is a bit of an anomaly though, because he's won two further OSL to get Golden Mouse.


Well, Oov won another OSL too. There doesn't seem to be a "pattern" anymore after they've won their first OSL. It seems they usually come back later to win a title every once in a while, though without displaying the same kind of domination ever again.
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.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-27 22:02:49
October 27 2007 22:00 GMT
#35
You got a point there. So if history is any indication, Savior's not gonna be the one to break Bisu

And if you look at the pattern, it seems we've come full-circle. It's been terran-zerg-protoss, the next one should be terran once again if I'm right.
If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
blagoonga123
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2068 Posts
October 27 2007 22:03 GMT
#36
I think it's gonna be Hwasin.
FOOL! Pain is my friend! Now let me introduce you to it!
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
October 27 2007 22:09 GMT
#37
It'll be UpMagiC. I'm sure of it!
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-27 22:13:52
October 27 2007 22:11 GMT
#38
On October 28 2007 06:59 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2007 06:56 Last Romantic wrote:
That silly Yoon-Yeol is a bit of an anomaly though, because he's won two further OSL to get Golden Mouse.


Well, Oov won another OSL too. There doesn't seem to be a "pattern" anymore after they've won their first OSL. It seems they usually come back later to win a title every once in a while, though without displaying the same kind of domination ever again.

That's actually very telling. I remember something TanthalaS said back in the old wc2 kali days.

TanthalaS wrote:
Keep in mind that most people occasionally venture outside of their classifications in an effort to get better, but more often than not, when the chips are down, a Repeater will repeat and a Specialist will specialize, etc.


I think the period of domination is them doing what they do best - playing according to their own style. After that it becomes about "venturing" out of their own personality-driven style in an effort to win again. And like forcing yourself to do what you don't like, it's not consistent.
If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
October 28 2007 01:39 GMT
#39
The saying is:

MSL creates champions
OSL creates drama
returns upon momentous occasions.
hwasingodlysense
Profile Joined August 2007
79 Posts
October 28 2007 06:08 GMT
#40
On October 28 2007 10:39 HonestTea wrote:
The saying is:

MSL creates champions
OSL creates drama

osl is also for the people who likes passionate progaming.
now. koreans and i personally like this AND msl.
you forgot that south korea supports hwasin. why lecaf oz was 8-0 in proleague? answer: experience and dedication. there is no mystery or trick. korean proleague is made of starcraft champions.
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