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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
September 23 2008 18:42 GMT
#281
What would be beautiful is if savior stopped going fast hive, got his shit sorted out and came back to win 3 more MSLs...that...that would be beautiful. I wouldn't say the era of Bonjwas is over, we just haven't had one in a while
HotZhot
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Colombia677 Posts
September 23 2008 18:51 GMT
#282
We are going to have to wait for SC2 for the next era of Bonjwas..
I only smile in the darK [] sAviOr//JaeDong Fan 4 Ever ~ CJ Entusman # 7
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
September 23 2008 19:03 GMT
#283
hmmm no boxer??
Why So Serious?!
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
September 23 2008 19:10 GMT
#284
On September 24 2008 04:03 mIsUZu wrote:
hmmm no boxer??


Boxer is no bonjwa. He's the friggin' Emperor. :o
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XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
September 23 2008 19:15 GMT
#285
There are many bonjwas but only one Emperor.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
September 23 2008 19:20 GMT
#286
On September 24 2008 03:42 Kennigit wrote:
What would be beautiful is if savior stopped going fast hive, got his shit sorted out and came back to win 3 more MSLs...that...that would be beautiful. I wouldn't say the era of Bonjwas is over, we just haven't had one in a while


It's those damned hookers.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
September 23 2008 19:28 GMT
#287
And one Tornato, one Monster, one Maestro.

I can still see the posts I made way up top. This pattern is simply a coincidence and by no means a requirement. Dominant players winning individual leagues, gee, who'd guess?

So the ultimate million dollar question: What's the next evolution of StarCraft gonna look like, if it's even possible. I don't know, nobody knows. 1 glimpse of a possible breakthrough is the game b/w Bisu and UpMagiC during EVER07 where he pulled off a strategy that completely went against conventional thinking of what an advantage is in SC and how to maximize it. The problem now is how to come up with a pattern of regularity.

He also gave us the 2port wraith TvZ build. God I love UpMagiC.

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.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-23 19:42:58
September 23 2008 19:41 GMT
#288
BTW Jaedong is still on the path of Bonjwa. It's been about a year and he's still winning everything in sight.

What he really needs is a few worthy adversaries to meet him in the finals. ForGG for one.
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Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
September 23 2008 19:51 GMT
#289
the problem is that jaedong doesnt have that aura of domination around him
555, kthxbai
Felagund
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines504 Posts
September 23 2008 19:56 GMT
#290
On September 24 2008 03:42 Kennigit wrote:
What would be beautiful is if savior stopped going fast hive, got his shit sorted out and came back to win 3 more MSLs...that...that would be beautiful. I wouldn't say the era of Bonjwas is over, we just haven't had one in a while
One can hope (and I am one of them.) But his last three games broke my heart (not in the way that Yukie Chang broke HonestTea's heart in 10th grade, but more like the way his mom broke his heart when she told him, "No HonestTea, you can't walk through that wardrobe because there is no Narnia.")
TL CJ Entusman #5 "now she is unarmed, u shall go gather ur army, siege ur tanks and her choke and send some vessels to spot her lurkers, at this time she may have defilers so, if u spot some, unsiege and bring fbs" -Ki_Do
Felagund
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines504 Posts
September 23 2008 19:59 GMT
#291
On September 24 2008 04:51 Zalfor wrote:
the problem is that jaedong doesnt have that aura of domination around him
His ZvZ is understated, yes (but ridiculously win.) His ZvT during 2007 was . . . remember oov before he met July?

But yeah, it seems he polished his ZvP but went a bit sloppy with his vT (relative to his 2007 level, I mean.) So he doesn't appears to be this all-ruling choguling.
TL CJ Entusman #5 "now she is unarmed, u shall go gather ur army, siege ur tanks and her choke and send some vessels to spot her lurkers, at this time she may have defilers so, if u spot some, unsiege and bring fbs" -Ki_Do
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-23 20:28:53
September 23 2008 20:28 GMT
#292
On September 24 2008 03:42 Kennigit wrote:
What would be beautiful is if savior stopped going fast hive, got his shit sorted out and came back to win 3 more MSLs...that...that would be beautiful. I wouldn't say the era of Bonjwas is over, we just haven't had one in a while


Indeed, (Z)sAviOr needs to start making more drones and start massing a little bit more rather than making 3 lurkers and rushing into hive forgetting adrenaline and not having enough units... there isnt any "Lurker HerO vs (T)Midas in Hitchhiker anymore"
w/e
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
September 23 2008 20:35 GMT
#293
On September 24 2008 04:28 .risingdragoon wrote:
And one Tornato, one Monster, one Maestro.

I can still see the posts I made way up top. This pattern is simply a coincidence and by no means a requirement. Dominant players winning individual leagues, gee, who'd guess?

So the ultimate million dollar question: What's the next evolution of StarCraft gonna look like, if it's even possible. I don't know, nobody knows. 1 glimpse of a possible breakthrough is the game b/w Bisu and UpMagiC during EVER07 where he pulled off a strategy that completely went against conventional thinking of what an advantage is in SC and how to maximize it. The problem now is how to come up with a pattern of regularity.

He also gave us the 2port wraith TvZ build. God I love UpMagiC.



Wait.... what?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
September 23 2008 20:39 GMT
#294
On September 24 2008 05:35 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2008 04:28 .risingdragoon wrote:
And one Tornato, one Monster, one Maestro.

I can still see the posts I made way up top. This pattern is simply a coincidence and by no means a requirement. Dominant players winning individual leagues, gee, who'd guess?

So the ultimate million dollar question: What's the next evolution of StarCraft gonna look like, if it's even possible. I don't know, nobody knows. 1 glimpse of a possible breakthrough is the game b/w Bisu and UpMagiC during EVER07 where he pulled off a strategy that completely went against conventional thinking of what an advantage is in SC and how to maximize it. The problem now is how to come up with a pattern of regularity.

He also gave us the 2port wraith TvZ build. God I love UpMagiC.



Wait.... what?


I know huh LOL, Boxer used to do it a long time ago ^_^
w/e
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-23 22:25:21
September 23 2008 22:08 GMT
#295
2port wraith vs standard 3hatch muta circa post-savior, more recently used by lomo

what are you talking about, boxer, what year is that? That game in 05 was 1base no macro vs a 2hatch scourge into lurker. It's nothing like the new timing build.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
September 23 2008 22:27 GMT
#296
05? 2port wraith tvz is much older than that.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
September 23 2008 22:42 GMT
#297
On September 24 2008 04:41 .risingdragoon wrote:
BTW Jaedong is still on the path of Bonjwa. It's been about a year and he's still winning everything in sight.

What he really needs is a few worthy adversaries to meet him in the finals. ForGG for one.


Neither ForGG and Jaedong were born in November. But they are still candidates for non-November Bonjawa, but neither have revolutionized the game enough to justify Bonjawa status. Nada, Oov, and Savior all revolutionized the game in one form or another.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-23 23:46:19
September 23 2008 23:46 GMT
#298
I really hate Mind for screwing up the pattern. What a damn chump. Bisu would have been a great bonjwa as he revolutionized PvZ, and finally shut up the PvZ whiners. He's also the first and only protoss in modern times to win a PvZ final(MSL OSL).
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
September 23 2008 23:57 GMT
#299
On October 28 2007 06:32 .dragoon wrote:
Not jinxed, but the so-called bonjwa seems to standardize a part of his own style among the pros, which leads to the next one to become specialized in dismantling that style.


Yep, to be king, you had to kill the previous one.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-25 23:00:10
February 25 2009 19:23 GMT
#300
Reading Plexa's newspost made me want to bump this thread. I realize the pattern has been taken way too seriously by some people around here so please read the disclaimer I added at the beginning of the OP.

This being said, although the "original" pattern (3 out of 4 MSL into OSL into slump/new bonjwa/repeat) has failed to repeat, only the "out of 4" part has proven to be wrong so far. (P)Bisu just won his third MSL and is in the form of his life, and one of the big favorites to win the current OSL.

Meanwhile, (T)Leta, AGAIN someone born in November, just took down Flash in the MSL, and no one would be really surprised should he win the whole thing. He would make a perfect contender for the next cycle.

Only little "flaw" in all this is Bisu beating Leta in their last encounter. Bisu is supposed to be jinxed against Leta, like Savior has been jinxed vs Bisu, Oov was vs Savior and Nada vs Oov. This is only one game though, and pre-Bisu-OSL-win too, so it might get totally reversed after their next few encounters.

Anyway, the (slightly altered) pattern kind of lives on for now!
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