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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-30 03:01:47
July 29 2022 12:51 GMT
#101
Tier 1, 2 have 4P, 4T, 4Z players
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3139 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-29 13:03:20
July 29 2022 13:03 GMT
#102
Stop it. Your (1)(2)(3) are not even points to be considered. Learn to think before posting. Also this is not the topic for it.
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
July 29 2022 14:23 GMT
#103
On July 29 2022 08:55 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2022 06:38 MeSaber wrote:
On July 29 2022 02:47 QOGQOG wrote:
Pretty bad group draw for Snow. C, D, and especially F seem like the most interesting sets.


Why? This is easy win for Snow.

His PvZ is shaky. He'll beat Hiya no doubt, but then has every chance to lose to JD, and then lose to one of Shine's tricky builds.

Yeah, this was basically my reasoning. A Bo1/3 vs unpredictable Zergs is bad news for Snow. It's his worst matchup by far--I mean, he lost to Ggaemo last season. I'm always rooting for Snow, it's just not the smoothest way to start things out.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13385 Posts
July 31 2022 23:02 GMT
#104
Tough groups. Should make for some spicy games.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
redknights
Profile Joined December 2021
206 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-31 23:40:21
July 31 2022 23:39 GMT
#105
On July 23 2022 23:35 Freezard wrote:
Anyone know what Calm (Captain) said vs JD?

[image loading]


Calm: You're a really lucky guy

JD: zz = ㅋㅋ = lol
redknights
Profile Joined December 2021
206 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-31 23:58:28
July 31 2022 23:56 GMT
#106
Because the tiers are done by ASL points, which measures historical performance and not recent form, we have some unbalanced groups

Tier 1 are all good and Tier 4 are all weak, so the imbalance comes from Tiers 2 and 3


Groups B and F are very weak with weak Tier 2 and Tier 3 players-

B: Shuttle is a weaker Tier 2 player (only Tier 2 mainly because of his ASL 1 win) and Barracks a weaker Tier 3 player

F: Mong is 2nd weakest Tier 2 player (only Shine worse) and Horang2 is weakest Tier 3 player


Contrast that to Groups A and C that are tough due to stronger Tier 2 and 3 players-

A: Best (best Tier 2 player by far) and Sacsri (underrated Tier 3, once beat Flash in ASL)

C: Sharp (probably tied for 2nd best Tier 2 player) and Royal (Tier 3 player who is better than most Tier 2 players)


Probably would have been more balanced to switch Best and Shuttle and switch Sharp with Mong


(also they put JD in a group with the weakest Tier 2 player (Shine) and a Tier 1 protoss (Snow), this is designed for JD to progress LOL)
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3139 Posts
August 01 2022 00:27 GMT
#107
Not all tier 4 are weak. Free is at least equally strong as most tier 2 players. In fact if he beats Rush to top the group it wouldn't be a surprise.
Riyomori
Profile Joined July 2009
Singapore316 Posts
August 01 2022 03:50 GMT
#108
Getting back into watching ASL as I am going to Korea in September and may be able to attend live games.

Any idea if the studios are open to the public for ASL matches and how do I get there?
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3139 Posts
August 01 2022 16:59 GMT
#109
On August 01 2022 12:50 Riyomori wrote:
Getting back into watching ASL as I am going to Korea in September and may be able to attend live games.

Any idea if the studios are open to the public for ASL matches and how do I get there?

They said they will post a notice about ticket sales for R24 shortly, you should probably check here regularly:
https://bj.afreecatv.com/afstar1/posts

once availabe, it'll probably be sold via this portal:
http://www.ticketlink.co.kr/global/en/search?query=ASL
Riyomori
Profile Joined July 2009
Singapore316 Posts
August 02 2022 02:11 GMT
#110
On August 02 2022 01:59 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2022 12:50 Riyomori wrote:
Getting back into watching ASL as I am going to Korea in September and may be able to attend live games.

Any idea if the studios are open to the public for ASL matches and how do I get there?

They said they will post a notice about ticket sales for R24 shortly, you should probably check here regularly:
https://bj.afreecatv.com/afstar1/posts

once availabe, it'll probably be sold via this portal:
http://www.ticketlink.co.kr/global/en/search?query=ASL


Thank you!! Will keep a look out for the availability.
appcer999
Profile Joined March 2020
4 Posts
August 07 2022 16:14 GMT
#111
don't know why nobody asks but is there any live eng cast for this season?
Ruff
Profile Joined August 2006
Kazakhstan179 Posts
August 07 2022 16:39 GMT
#112
I am happy to see a new face — DDasik (Z). Who has his games (VODs)?
"Keep on dreaming, boy, cause someday you will shine" (Ogogo).
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26621 Posts
August 07 2022 16:52 GMT
#113
On August 08 2022 01:14 appcer999 wrote:
don't know why nobody asks but is there any live eng cast for this season?

I second this.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey777 Posts
August 07 2022 17:14 GMT
#114
On August 08 2022 01:52 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2022 01:14 appcer999 wrote:
don't know why nobody asks but is there any live eng cast for this season?

I second this.


https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/597267-interview-nyoken

+ Show Spoiler +
.Will you also be casting for ASL14?
Nyoken:
Yes I should be casting ASL with Scan again in the next few weeks. Looking forward to the games and the return of some old crazy maps like Arkanoid. In the past I would have not been happy to see a weird map like Arkanoid but Terran players (Light in particular) have pulled out wins with wraith + marine medic play even versus Protoss so I'm looking forward to see some weird strategies.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26621 Posts
August 07 2022 20:11 GMT
#115
On August 08 2022 02:14 HOLYBATS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2022 01:52 WombaT wrote:
On August 08 2022 01:14 appcer999 wrote:
don't know why nobody asks but is there any live eng cast for this season?

I second this.


https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/597267-interview-nyoken

+ Show Spoiler +
.Will you also be casting for ASL14?
Nyoken:
Yes I should be casting ASL with Scan again in the next few weeks. Looking forward to the games and the return of some old crazy maps like Arkanoid. In the past I would have not been happy to see a weird map like Arkanoid but Terran players (Light in particular) have pulled out wins with wraith + marine medic play even versus Protoss so I'm looking forward to see some weird strategies.

Oh nice, those two do a great job
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
August 08 2022 05:26 GMT
#116
It's always exciting to see ASL groups posted. There are just so many good players.
May the BeSt man win.
Hollow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Canada2180 Posts
August 08 2022 06:08 GMT
#117
Great news about the casting. Thanks to Nyoken and Scan in advance!
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-08 08:06:09
August 08 2022 08:05 GMT
#118
Basically, maps for 2 players favor Protoss, maps for 3 players favor Zerg, maps for 4 players favor Terran.

I think:

(2)Butter 2.0c, (2)Odyssey 1.0, (4)Neo Arkanoid 2.2 favor Protoss
(3)Neo Sylhpid 3.0, (4)nemesis 1.0 favor Zerg
(4)Allegro 1.1c, (4)VermeerSE 2.1 favor Terran


https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
Avi-Love
Profile Joined November 2003
Denmark423 Posts
August 08 2022 21:33 GMT
#119
Alternatively, here is a link where anyone can go look up the actual stats on the maps, instead of relying on asinine opinions based on strange mental gymnastics.

http://eloboard.com/men/bbs/board.php?bo_table=map_stac
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
August 08 2022 21:36 GMT
#120
On August 08 2022 17:05 bovienchien wrote:
Basically, maps for 2 players favor Protoss, maps for 3 players favor Zerg, maps for 4 players favor Terran.

I think:

(2)Butter 2.0c, (2)Odyssey 1.0, (4)Neo Arkanoid 2.2 favor Protoss
(3)Neo Sylhpid 3.0, (4)nemesis 1.0 favor Zerg
(4)Allegro 1.1c, (4)VermeerSE 2.1 favor Terran




From Bisus stream during KCM finals: Butter 2.0 change at natural expansion makes 9 pool speed incredibly hard to block for toss. Odyssey is just a zerg map... I agree for nemesis being good for zerg, lurker drops and contains look so deadly against protoss and tarran has hard time preventing 4 gas zerg. But Arkanoid and Sylphid depend heavily on starting spawns related to balance. It actually seems to be okay for tarran if you get horizontal spawn against z or t. Cross is obviliously nasty in tvp (Carrierprinter brrr) but othervise even zvt is not too bad. For some reason JD and Soulkey seem to prefer hydralurk in Araknoid instead of ultraling.
it's not just a music it's something else
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