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Redcloak
Profile Joined December 2002
United States530 Posts
July 24 2021 04:27 GMT
#41
Great read but I hate that it reminds me how old I am.
Just Some Old Man
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-24 05:27:51
July 24 2021 05:26 GMT
#42
Not going to lie... I was scared when I saw this title, and thought he was retiring or something. Whew.

<3 Victor so much.

You guys have no idea the level-headedness he brought to forum staff discussions.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9105 Posts
July 24 2021 14:03 GMT
#43
On July 23 2021 17:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Yeah broadly speaking and with some exceptions I had my hotkeys on all my production buildings (think 1-8 gateways or something) while just predominantly looking at my units and the battlefield on the screen.


I play like Naz. Truly an inspiration.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34499 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-24 19:15:46
July 24 2021 19:15 GMT
#44
Great read, thanks Plyff and thanks Nazgul
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Jeremy Reimer
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1112 Posts
July 24 2021 21:15 GMT
#45
Awesome article about an awesome guy. So great to fill out the grand history of Brood War!
"Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere." -- Carl Sagan
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
July 25 2021 05:51 GMT
#46
great read, thank you for the writeup!
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
July 25 2021 14:34 GMT
#47
Great read, TL writers never disappoint.
Mine gas, build tanks.
mel_ee
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
2448 Posts
July 25 2021 16:45 GMT
#48
what a great flash back history lesson! love it
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Chosi
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Germany1303 Posts
July 25 2021 21:42 GMT
#49
Great article, I went straight down the nostalgia rabbit hole and watched all the youtube clips. Golden days indeed.
Someday, you’re going to fuck up so magnificently, so ambitiously, so overwhelmingly that the sky will light up and the moons will spin and the gods themselves will shit comets with glee. And I just hope I’m still around to see it.
kingzitan
Profile Joined July 2021
4 Posts
July 26 2021 12:53 GMT
#50
Solid article.
Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6774 Posts
July 26 2021 23:53 GMT
#51
This is the stuff of legends
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Incomplete..ReV
Profile Joined August 2017
Norway637 Posts
July 27 2021 19:35 GMT
#52
Fantastic article - really great job!

Really interesting to read about those days, not having experienced it myself and all. Also really grounding to read about people with such talent, hard work, and focus. It's the sort of thing I wish I could do myself, but find myself only admiring in others.

10/10!
It's ok. I still love you <3
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
July 27 2021 22:47 GMT
#53
Thanks for this. As a BW oldy I remember those days well! I used to study Naz's series vs Boxer for hours to try learn how to PvT properly. Naz was always a very big proponent of using speed shuttles in late game PvT and all these years later the mass speed shuttle PvT style is finally vindicating him :D
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-28 18:57:14
July 28 2021 18:52 GMT
#54
Thanks for the kind comments everyone. It means a lot.

On July 23 2021 21:25 Liquid`Ret wrote:
imagine being cannon rushed by this guy and then having to play zvp on neo hall of valhalla in game 2.

I remember following these games when they happend and damn it was an exciting time, and very impressive results. I always did feel that victor could've gotten a lot more out of brood if he wanted to.

nice write-up!

I'm so sorry for all the hardship. I always had to come up with something else to make sure I started ahead against the macro beast you were.

On July 23 2021 21:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:
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On July 23 2021 17:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Yeah broadly speaking and with some exceptions I had my hotkeys on all my production buildings (think 1-8 gateways or something) while just predominantly looking at my units and the battlefield on the screen. I also use my left hand on the mouse even though I'm right handed. Suboptimal would be a fair way to describe it.


You also built units through positioning your mouse over the icon of the dragoon/zealot and then you'd cycle through your gateways and press the icons with your mouse, instead of 1z2z3z4d5d6d7d8d

True I almost forgot about that. I could rely on your memory and knowledge for so much of my career. Thank you <3

On July 23 2021 22:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2021 21:25 Liquid`Ret wrote:
imagine being cannon rushed by this guy and then having to play zvp on neo hall of valhalla in game 2.

I remember following these games when they happend and damn it was an exciting time, and very impressive results. I always did feel that victor could've gotten a lot more out of brood if he wanted to.

nice write-up!


The build he made for playing you on jungle story was amazing. I think that was probably the first conscious protoss use of a lingproof wallin in any competition - it wasn't done to help with a fast expand, but to help give absurdly fast tech.

This makes me a bit sad to think about. I'm pretty sure this is the 2003 WCG qualifier. I was in the best shape of my life having practiced the WCG maps such a crazy amount with you and everyone else. If I recall correctly Ret suffered from it in the NL qualifier on Jungle Story but then they changed the maps shortly before the actual finals and instead of my best result I got my worst result at WCG.

On July 24 2021 03:52 Fedaykin wrote:
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On July 23 2021 17:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Yeah broadly speaking and with some exceptions I had my hotkeys....

Never forget who taught you hotkeys mate

Lol sick did you? My memory is so fuzzy but it is great to hear from you again!!!

On July 28 2021 07:47 RowdierBob wrote:
Thanks for this. As a BW oldy I remember those days well! I used to study Naz's series vs Boxer for hours to try learn how to PvT properly. Naz was always a very big proponent of using speed shuttles in late game PvT and all these years later the mass speed shuttle PvT style is finally vindicating him :D

Speed shuttles and shield batteries.. took a long time for them to see their due.
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TanksALot
Profile Joined December 2002
United States153 Posts
August 07 2021 23:11 GMT
#55
Awesome read and very well written. Really brought me back to the days of battlereports.com
Big up
VonDarkmore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia193 Posts
August 10 2021 10:30 GMT
#56
On July 23 2021 21:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +


You also built units through positioning your mouse over the icon of the dragoon/zealot and then you'd cycle through your gateways and press the icons with your mouse, instead of 1z2z3z4d5d6d7d8d


I remember doing this in the early days, some of my family got pretty good at it and stayed with this style. I upgraded to hotkeys haha.

You have always been amazing Naz! Great to see an article like this telling a good portion of your journey in life & Brood War. Highlighting it for the modern players and fans is a must.
One who understands much displays a greater simplicity of character than one who understands little
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic937 Posts
October 03 2021 13:12 GMT
#57
So many memories, remember we were rooting for Naz so much to be successful in Korea. Was great to be around back then.
never too old for starcraft :)
imRadu
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
1798 Posts
October 28 2021 10:15 GMT
#58
Great read, amazing community <3 Naz
Its really good to see that some people dont let education get in the way of their ignorance
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4601 Posts
November 22 2021 09:50 GMT
#59
Wow, so much nostalgia,

Reading through the article, and there was so much details. Yet I feel like we all were in our early 20's and were really hyperactive. If you think about it, Naz was additionally doing real work for the community.

Sometimes I would come back from my university classes and Naz would have sent me a list of ladder abusers to ban, it was when online alternative ladders blew up suddenly and one man could not track it all anymore.

It meant a lot, and indirectly, what he did for Team Liquid, also had a community building impact in other places, like WGtour, PGtour, etc...

Very few player had that special class. A special maturity, it was a mix of unconditional confidence in his skills, but an incredible down to earth attitude which is not to be confused with false modesty.

I am very happy that the success story, continues and that is this article is just a good reminder of how we got here, but we know the other half of the story begins.

Let me quote the end of the new Dune movie.
"This is only the beginning"
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4601 Posts
November 22 2021 10:39 GMT
#60
I also want to remind he helped figuring out a lot of tricks that would be used to expose map hackers. Those tips helped JCA add many features to BWChart.
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