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[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
July 23 2021 02:21 GMT
#21
ahh good times Naz is a legend. I didn't remember most of those games.
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
July 23 2021 02:55 GMT
#22
Looks like a very cool article. I just skimmed it but will check back later.
Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa977 Posts
July 23 2021 06:56 GMT
#23
good read!
The only known Reverend on TL playing SC2 and BW (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409226)
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-23 08:14:59
July 23 2021 08:14 GMT
#24
Do I remember correctly that Nazgul did not use control groups in BW?

The BW era up until ~2005-2006 was my favourite time in the game for sure. Nazgul was a beast back then for sure.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
July 23 2021 08:19 GMT
#25
Yeah broadly speaking and with some exceptions I had my hotkeys on all my production buildings (think 1-8 gateways or something) while just predominantly looking at my units and the battlefield on the screen. I also use my left hand on the mouse even though I'm right handed. Suboptimal would be a fair way to describe it.
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True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
July 23 2021 08:26 GMT
#26
It always boggles my mind how you could compete with the top dogs without using control groups. I was nowhere near your level at that point, but playing without them felt like playing without a hand. There was a time I thought you were just flexing on the poor koreans.

Sheth in SC2 was another player who's setup I found out of this world, and yet it seemed to have always worked for him.
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
July 23 2021 09:17 GMT
#27
Good read!
dbrinker
Profile Joined May 2016
30 Posts
July 23 2021 10:10 GMT
#28
On July 23 2021 09:47 Liquid`Drone wrote:
The execution component is even there for online poker - I haven't paid attention lately, but there was a period where every time someone set a new record for most tables or sitngos played simultaneously while making a profit or whatever, it was an ex-brood war player. And the more tables you're able to play without being hindered by it, the better.

yea I play more tables than any other 1kNL reg these days. I never even made GM but all the hours of playing competitive sc2 helps out a ton. you are completely right.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 23 2021 10:32 GMT
#29
Very good article. I never knew Nazgul played at such a high level.

I also found it interesting for the history of the making TLnet as a community. It must have been very special time with so much of the scene congregating in a single place, and with everyone having that feeling of being part of something that is constantly growing and evolving (mostly?) for the better.

Can't help hoping that TLnet will be given a new lease on life through a major upgrade of the website. It does not look like RTS is dying with several new games on the horizon, and one could think that TLnet still has a role to play in the future, perhaps as a more generally-oriented RTS forum. But imo it would require the fundamental investment of a site upgrade before you can get the burst of activity from volunteers and forum members that could propel TLnet forward as a community.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2297 Posts
July 23 2021 11:12 GMT
#30
Wow such nice article. thank you very much.!
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4028 Posts
July 23 2021 11:28 GMT
#31
Nazgul's pvt on LT singlehandedly redefined my view on the matchup the moment replays became available with 1.08. I couldn't believe how powerful protoss could be by smart usage of robo tech. Absolute legend and so grateful he's still with eSports.
Drone is a way of living
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
July 23 2021 12:25 GMT
#32
imagine being cannon rushed by this guy and then having to play zvp on neo hall of valhalla in game 2.

I remember following these games when they happend and damn it was an exciting time, and very impressive results. I always did feel that victor could've gotten a lot more out of brood if he wanted to.

nice write-up!
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28712 Posts
July 23 2021 12:55 GMT
#33
On July 23 2021 17:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Yeah broadly speaking and with some exceptions I had my hotkeys on all my production buildings (think 1-8 gateways or something) while just predominantly looking at my units and the battlefield on the screen. I also use my left hand on the mouse even though I'm right handed. Suboptimal would be a fair way to describe it.


You also built units through positioning your mouse over the icon of the dragoon/zealot and then you'd cycle through your gateways and press the icons with your mouse, instead of 1z2z3z4d5d6d7d8d
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28712 Posts
July 23 2021 13:01 GMT
#34
On July 23 2021 21:25 Liquid`Ret wrote:
imagine being cannon rushed by this guy and then having to play zvp on neo hall of valhalla in game 2.

I remember following these games when they happend and damn it was an exciting time, and very impressive results. I always did feel that victor could've gotten a lot more out of brood if he wanted to.

nice write-up!


The build he made for playing you on jungle story was amazing. I think that was probably the first conscious protoss use of a lingproof wallin in any competition - it wasn't done to help with a fast expand, but to help give absurdly fast tech.
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Fedaykin
Profile Joined February 2003
Netherlands2003 Posts
July 23 2021 18:52 GMT
#35
On July 23 2021 17:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Yeah broadly speaking and with some exceptions I had my hotkeys....

Never forget who taught you hotkeys mate
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
July 23 2021 20:23 GMT
#36
This was for a pony express issue around April-May 2009, just can't find it. This is in reference more to TL.net as a community than his progamming career.

What was your main plan for Teamliquid?

Nazgul: From the moment TL started it was our intention to create the best possible SC site. Though there were many sites out there, some more interesting than others, but even the biggest such as broodwar.com were crap. We believed the SC fans deserved something bigger and better combined with a great atmosphere. Strict moderation is and was a rarity among SC sites. In my opinion it is the only way to create a truly great site. Most places think in order to get a large following you shouldn’t ban people. We have always relied on believing the opposite.

There’s just so much uniqueness to be found on TL. It started with original content for news, replays, forums, TL events and we never looked back. To visit TL now and see the Calendar, TLPD, Fantasy league, TSL and tons of other features is just a great pleasure. Not to mention all the other awesome future features we are working on that I can’t speak of yet.

We never just tried to be one of the sites, copying from others and producing as much junk as possible in order to hope to entertain a little. We started out solely with original content, using the Liquid name to draw people to the site and making sure they would never leave by just being better than anyone else.



You were with TL since the very beginning. Did it grow the way you wanted it too or did it take a turn and form into what it is now?

Nazgul: It’s impossible to predict specific things TL has come up with in the past, but on a more general level the atmosphere and level of professionalism of staff are everything we could have hoped for. TL is not just a place where you can share your passion for SC but also to be part of the greatest community I have ever encountered on the internet. It sounds cheesy but it is the truth. TL rocks it has grown into everything we hoped it could be and more.

With SC2 coming out, do you think TL will get more popular and bigger?

Nazgul: TL will undeniably grow with SC2. It even grew with the announcement of SC2, let alone the actual release. It is going to be a great challenge for us to focus on multiple games but we are doing everything we can to be ready. It is going to be hard with so many new members; moderation will only get us so far. We will need all of you to pick things up and explain new members how things work here. Like I said it’s going to be a challenge and we’re highly motivated and more than ready to take it heads on.

How do you feel about what goes on in TL, such as the members, the staff, the news?

Nazgul: The staff is awesome and the amount of contributions coming from within the forum itself is amazing. So much time goes into things that our members never get to see, every little move we make is well thought through and discussed many times over. Rarely do we prematurely release something or do things that suck. To get things right it takes tremendous amounts of preparation that often goes unseen. The commitment of so many staff members that are putting in countless of hours without ever being in the spotlight is astonishing. This kind of passion is something money will never be able to buy.

Is there any secret plans brewing inside of TL.net that we can't know about?

Nazgul: We have never had as many large projects in development as we currently have. Be ready for some crazy stuff the coming few months.

Life?
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4227 Posts
July 23 2021 20:41 GMT
#37
Fantastic article, big thx
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
July 23 2021 20:42 GMT
#38
Nazgul's WCG games were among the first reps I've seen after getting an internet connection around 2003. It blew my mind back then how far their level of play is from what we have here. Never got that close but I've always tried to model my games after him, it served me quite well in local tourneys. Always will be my favorite Protoss for sure. Nice write up!
fromis_9 enjoyer
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
July 23 2021 22:53 GMT
#39
what a legend
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
July 23 2021 22:59 GMT
#40
Nice writeup, thank you. The apm thing doesn't get better with age... trust me.
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