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Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
July 19 2021 08:40 GMT
#1
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Source: https://bj.afreecatv.com/afstar1/post/75273638

Starting on the 31st of July, the AfreecaTV Challenger StarLeague serves as a gateway for rookies to reach the ASL. The winner of the tournament gets seeded into an ASL12 qualifying match of their choice.

Sign-up period: 19/07 - 28/07

Qualifiers, groups A & B: 31/07
Qualifiers, groups C & D: 01/08
Main event: 08/08 1900KST (FreecUP Studio)

Eligibility:
    No ASL Ro16 main event participants
    No former Progamers (Semi-pros allowed)
    No ACS Winners / Runner-ups
    No people restricted from appearing on TV


1st place: ~2,600$ + ASL12 qualifying match spot
2nd place: ~1,750$

Map pool: Polypoid, Eclipse, Ascension
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Zergxhx
Profile Joined November 2020
China146 Posts
July 19 2021 09:04 GMT
#2
OK . No ASTL3 but Asl12 will be held soon
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
July 19 2021 13:30 GMT
#3
On July 19 2021 18:04 Zergxhx wrote:
OK . No ASTL3 but Asl12 will be held soon

We will have another Zerg champion soon.

I said Zerg is the strongest race but no one believe in me.
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
DrunkenJedi
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany175 Posts
July 19 2021 13:31 GMT
#4
Who's restricted from appearing on TV?
"Don't worry, I use Special Tactics this time, no problem."
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3095 Posts
July 19 2021 13:55 GMT
#5
Match fixers like Savior I'm guessing.
Artosis loves Starcraft
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-19 14:42:58
July 19 2021 14:42 GMT
#6
>No ACS Winners / Runner-ups

the most amazing restriction imo, so winner/runnerups from the very first edition of acs in 2018 til now can't play in it anymore lol?
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-19 15:06:03
July 19 2021 14:56 GMT
#7

it will mostly likely be a protoss winning y, pretty much the best terran and zerg amateurs have reach previous acs finals and hence cannot play (scan/gaeko/bishop & yoon/yabsab/zelot(reach ro16 asl))

either mighty or khala or ssinz should win this one
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
July 20 2021 04:34 GMT
#8
On July 19 2021 23:42 ggsimida wrote:
>No ACS Winners / Runner-ups

the most amazing restriction imo, so winner/runnerups from the very first edition of acs in 2018 til now can't play in it anymore lol?

I'm not sure I understand the objection here—the whole point is to give exposure and a better chance at ASL to some lesser known players.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-20 05:16:45
July 20 2021 05:12 GMT
#9
On July 20 2021 13:34 QOGQOG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2021 23:42 ggsimida wrote:
>No ACS Winners / Runner-ups

the most amazing restriction imo, so winner/runnerups from the very first edition of acs in 2018 til now can't play in it anymore lol?

I'm not sure I understand the objection here—the whole point is to give exposure and a better chance at ASL to some lesser known players.


because you are not recognizing the merit of top amateurs and eventually just be giving handouts to lower tier amateurs. would care about a tourney where you are watching ever decreasing tiers of players with every edition?
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-20 07:53:45
July 20 2021 07:51 GMT
#10
Last I checked, 'lower tier' amateurs have some respectable credibility in our current scene.
Soma, Rush, sOrry, Royal to name a few.
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
July 20 2021 08:03 GMT
#11
On July 20 2021 16:51 MineraIs wrote:
Last I checked, 'lower tier' amateurs have some respectable credibility in our current scene.
Soma, Rush, sOrry, Royal to name a few.


thank you for the showcase of ignorance
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51449 Posts
July 20 2021 10:53 GMT
#12
you do realise rush and sorry were former kespa progamers right?
also sorry and royal are the same person lmao
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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1180 Posts
July 20 2021 12:10 GMT
#13
On July 19 2021 22:30 bovienchien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2021 18:04 Zergxhx wrote:
OK . No ASTL3 but Asl12 will be held soon



I said Zerg is the strongest race but no one believe in me.


Huh?

I think it's widely accepted right now that on paper Zerg is the strongest race in this game.
Purressure
Profile Joined July 2021
106 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-21 19:42:17
July 21 2021 19:39 GMT
#14
On July 20 2021 16:51 MineraIs wrote:
Last I checked, 'lower tier' amateurs have some respectable credibility in our current scene.
Soma, Rush, sOrry, Royal to name a few.



Did you just name 2 aliases of 1 person? Really? Haven't done any proper checking at all if you ask me lol

Also.. you named 2 former pros out of the 3 (not 4) people you mentioned. Jesus.
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
July 21 2021 22:44 GMT
#15
On July 20 2021 14:12 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2021 13:34 QOGQOG wrote:
On July 19 2021 23:42 ggsimida wrote:
>No ACS Winners / Runner-ups

the most amazing restriction imo, so winner/runnerups from the very first edition of acs in 2018 til now can't play in it anymore lol?

I'm not sure I understand the objection here—the whole point is to give exposure and a better chance at ASL to some lesser known players.


because you are not recognizing the merit of top amateurs and eventually just be giving handouts to lower tier amateurs. would care about a tourney where you are watching ever decreasing tiers of players with every edition?

There are always up and coming players. There have to be if the game is going to survive.

You're right that someone like Soma could probably show up with his "top amateur" status and crush this tournament again and again. But that would be a tournament people would stop watching and a tournament that didn't have any real point. They have to restrict competitors somehow, and this seems totally reasonable.

If Afreeca find themselves really scraping the bottom of the barrel I'm sure they'll change eligibility, but there's no real sign of that so far.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
July 22 2021 06:49 GMT
#16
Nice amateur tournaments are awesome. A pity if you qualified for ASL or get 1st/runner up you can't join anymore but I guess it's to make sure someone new wins.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
July 22 2021 07:10 GMT
#17
On July 20 2021 19:53 GTR wrote:
you do realise rush and sorry were former kespa progamers right?
also sorry and royal are the same person lmao

I laughed pretty hard at that post.. xD

such confusion.. haha
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Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
July 29 2021 23:01 GMT
#18
Who’s taking part please?
purepat
Profile Joined May 2021
Malta17 Posts
July 30 2021 20:01 GMT
#19
Where i would be able to watch it? Thanks for help!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
July 31 2021 07:47 GMT
#20
https://challonge.com/2021ACS_S2_A
https://challonge.com/2021ACS_S2_B

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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-31 09:28:44
July 31 2021 09:28 GMT
#21
first two qualifiers: (P)Ss1nz, CleanGirlLE (김석현)
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
July 31 2021 10:11 GMT
#22
On July 22 2021 07:44 QOGQOG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2021 14:12 ggsimida wrote:
On July 20 2021 13:34 QOGQOG wrote:
On July 19 2021 23:42 ggsimida wrote:
>No ACS Winners / Runner-ups

the most amazing restriction imo, so winner/runnerups from the very first edition of acs in 2018 til now can't play in it anymore lol?

I'm not sure I understand the objection here—the whole point is to give exposure and a better chance at ASL to some lesser known players.


because you are not recognizing the merit of top amateurs and eventually just be giving handouts to lower tier amateurs. would care about a tourney where you are watching ever decreasing tiers of players with every edition?

There are always up and coming players. There have to be if the game is going to survive.

You're right that someone like Soma could probably show up with his "top amateur" status and crush this tournament again and again. But that would be a tournament people would stop watching and a tournament that didn't have any real point. They have to restrict competitors somehow, and this seems totally reasonable.

If Afreeca find themselves really scraping the bottom of the barrel I'm sure they'll change eligibility, but there's no real sign of that so far.


and it looks like its starting to.
i rather see a noname try to beat the likes of soma/scan than watch noname1 beat noname2. this is supposed to be a premier amateur competition, but its actually a handout event
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-01 06:11:56
August 01 2021 05:54 GMT
#23
On July 31 2021 19:11 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2021 07:44 QOGQOG wrote:
On July 20 2021 14:12 ggsimida wrote:
On July 20 2021 13:34 QOGQOG wrote:
On July 19 2021 23:42 ggsimida wrote:
>No ACS Winners / Runner-ups

the most amazing restriction imo, so winner/runnerups from the very first edition of acs in 2018 til now can't play in it anymore lol?

I'm not sure I understand the objection here—the whole point is to give exposure and a better chance at ASL to some lesser known players.


because you are not recognizing the merit of top amateurs and eventually just be giving handouts to lower tier amateurs. would care about a tourney where you are watching ever decreasing tiers of players with every edition?

There are always up and coming players. There have to be if the game is going to survive.

You're right that someone like Soma could probably show up with his "top amateur" status and crush this tournament again and again. But that would be a tournament people would stop watching and a tournament that didn't have any real point. They have to restrict competitors somehow, and this seems totally reasonable.

If Afreeca find themselves really scraping the bottom of the barrel I'm sure they'll change eligibility, but there's no real sign of that so far.


and it looks like its starting to.
i rather see a noname try to beat the likes of soma/scan than watch noname1 beat noname2. this is supposed to be a premier amateur competition, but its actually a handout event

It's an amateur competition. You aren't going to see a bunch of big name players. Because it's for amateurs. Who are not necessarily names you recognize. Since that's literally the point of the tournament. The tournament for amateurs. Not sure why this is so difficult to understand.

Also, as amateurs go, Ss1nz is not a noname. He's been in KCM Challenge and has qualified for multiple ASLs. I'm not familiar with the other person who has qualified, but that, again, is the point of the tournament.

What you would rather watch isn't what Afreeca wants to make. The tournament is doing what it's meant to.
AncientSion
Profile Joined April 2017
72 Posts
August 01 2021 09:39 GMT
#24
whats the LINK to the stream yo
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51449 Posts
August 01 2021 10:20 GMT
#25
last two qualifiers: (T)hani, (P)Mighty
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andertalets77
Profile Joined February 2019
143 Posts
August 02 2021 16:43 GMT
#26
On August 01 2021 19:20 GTR wrote:
last two qualifiers: (T)hani, (P)Mighty


Hani will play against Mighty??
Purressure
Profile Joined July 2021
106 Posts
August 02 2021 16:58 GMT
#27
On August 01 2021 19:20 GTR wrote:
last two qualifiers: (T)hani, (P)Mighty


Mighty rings a bell, or is this a different one?
rararara
Profile Joined March 2021
115 Posts
August 06 2021 13:07 GMT
#28
Any background infos on Hani and CleanGirlLE?
Never heard of them.
FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
August 06 2021 21:18 GMT
#29
hani played already in last ASL and in some online stuff like kcm challenge.
For CleanGirlLE (now changed their name to Dear) i only now that they had good results in online clan leagues that often feature high level amateurs and pros
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
August 08 2021 05:49 GMT
#30
ACS starts in 10 minute. 15:00 KST
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
RuhZo
Profile Joined November 2020
9 Posts
August 08 2021 07:34 GMT
#31
Really cool game in the ro4 TvP series in game 2 on Ascension. The improvisation from both players was enjoyable to watch.
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
August 08 2021 08:29 GMT
#32
finals vod:

https://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/76111133

winner:
+ Show Spoiler +
(T)hani
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4092 Posts
August 08 2021 09:18 GMT
#33
Thanks for posting! + Show Spoiler +
The winner is wrong though, it should be soso (T). hani (P) was eliminated before the final match.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
masoka82
Profile Joined June 2020
Spain594 Posts
August 08 2021 09:20 GMT
#34
On August 08 2021 18:18 Magic Powers wrote:
Thanks for posting! + Show Spoiler +
The winner is wrong though, it should be soso (T). hani (P) was eliminated before the final match.


Hani(T) and Soso(T) are the same person
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4092 Posts
August 08 2021 10:32 GMT
#35
Ah...
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
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