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On June 29 2021 06:09 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 05:53 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 05:36 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 04:26 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 03:30 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 01:31 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 29 2021 01:21 DrDevice wrote:On June 29 2021 01:12 oxKnu wrote:On June 29 2021 00:28 TMNT wrote:
There doesn't need to have legal violations or financial consequences for them to have such reactions. The key thing here is Flash and co tried to gain profits off the pocket of (possibly) their fans in a dishonest manner. In the end no one actually lost anything, but the fact that they were aware of the fraudulent scheme and still willing to go with it remains.
Speaking of twisting things and making up your own information. In other parts of the world you would get sued out of your mind if you come out with these false statements. ... lmfao just because you are so stupid that you think Flash didn't know what he's doing doesn't make it true. Flash is not as stupid as you, he knew what he was doing. and your proof of this is? he explicitly wrote in his letter that his mum spoke with suit and decided to invest 200k with flash. are you saying that his mum is also a scumbag and an accomplice? or you think flash would stoop down low enough to sell out his own mother in an effort to make him look more innocent in the eyes of his viewers? im getting sick of these dumbasses jumping to conclusions about the streamers' involvement in this. wait till some more information comes out so we can know what the facts are instead of trying to throw every single one of them into a pit when it is quite possible they could have come out of this as victims just as much as their viewers. seems like afreeca isnt alone in having community members that are equally irrational and quick to shit on someone because "it looks bad". On June 28 2021 22:26 Dante08 wrote:On June 28 2021 12:34 TT1 wrote:On June 28 2021 10:50 reincremate wrote:On June 27 2021 14:09 TT1 wrote:
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morals (and thus immoral acts) are viewed much differently in the East relative to the West, there's a pretty big cultural difference
Sorry to derail, but I have to say this is really not true. Basic stuff like not lying for personal gain is universal to all cultures. There isn't anywhere in the world where scamming people for money is acceptable behavior (not saying this is or isn't what the streamers were doing), only places where unacceptable behavior is more common than other places due to various socioeconomic factors. There are plenty of real differences between collectivistic and individualistic cultures, but we tend to mystify other cultures as if they're fundamentally different at the moral level, when that's not actually the case. (fyi i'm saying this is taken more seriously in the East) If you think about it logically, culture and values certainly have to be different in 1 race nations relative to multi race nations, simply because of the difference in impact that govs. also have. Asian nations implement much more aggressive policies (which in turn creates cultural differences), this isn't a myth. For example, look at the development that nations like Singapore (Lee Kuan Yew) have made in a short period of time. That was done through a change in culture by the government and implementation of a meritocratic system. also these are quantifiable things.. for example, you can compare the difference in penalties for certain crimes Actually I feel Korea is an extreme outlier regarding things like these. Just look at how they treat their celebrities and how many of them mentione the huge public pressure they face over the tiniest things. I don't see this happening in other countries. Either way the people there need to just chill and stop being keyboard warriors. if i had to give a koreans' perspective on why korean fans judge celebrities with such scrutiny, its basically because most koreans dont believe that most celebrities earned their fame on merit. given how vain korean people are in general, celebrities are the pinnacle of people who are appreciated for their appearance ahead of talent. and anyone who knows anything about kpop will know that the success of any up and coming celebrity is completely at the mercy of the fans and how well they are received, and that this in 99% of cases has nothing to do with the celebrity's talent. so effectively if a typical celebrity without any particular talent "makes it", theyve only made it because the public allowed that to be. so if youre going to live that life then you better take the high road and "talk the talk" (ie. live up to your image, be a model citizen etc), because if for one second people realise that youre abusing the love and attention you get from your fans who put your talentless ass on a pedestal, they will turn their backs on you just as quick. theres a few people who have had fans turn their back and talk shit about them heaps, but still stay around the scene and still be successful. those people have talent that is actually recognised even amongst the public. off the top of my head is the actor byung hun lee, whos had a few scandals but no one says shit about him constantly participating in films because they think hes a damn good actor anyway. this is just my opinion though lol i think other pros didn't know that well about the investment but flash definitely knew. Flash moved to apartment where that guy SUIT lived and hung around with sketchy people for years. He also used his "mom" excuse when his dog accidentally carried his gf's bra and claimed that it was his mom's when in fact it was his GF. It was revealed to be his GF's later. Flash is pretty well known scumbag covered by his impeccable skills. He was the the sole reason jangbi decided to retire and flash made it seem like people needed to beg him to play. Lot of koreans knew his character wasn't up to par with his skills. Don't be fooled my man. He was one of the masterminds and he def knew all about the coin and how it worked as he was into this thing for years. stop spreading bullshit with the Jangbi news. Why would Jangbi invite Flash to his wedding, and talk about meeting up having dinner and drinks with Flash post Jangbi leaving Afreeca. I'm so sick of people running with bullshit misinformation they picked up from some troll in ygosu. Same happened on this forum during the Last trolling on ygosu, people here made him out to be an asshole degenerate because you have these 1 or 2 people taking ygosu threads at face value and spreading false info here without realizing it's not like TL and more like 4chan. Btw you can dig through youtube and find interviews Jangbi did after leaving Afreeca. He's a grown man with grown man responsibilities. Sitting in front of a cam playing games and making a highly volatile income doesn't cut it out unless you're one of the major streamers. ??? Flash : "I'm gonna bo3 Jangbi 21 times and make him retire from afreeca pro scene" You think that's good? Yes that was said. But if they are truly on bad terms why would he invite him to his wedding and meet up with him on other various occasions? Who the fuck would invite someone they hate to their wedding day? I said plenty of fucked up shit to my friends but guess what we move on and we're still friends till this day. I'm not trying to defend Flashes character, I have no need to. I am only merely trying to get people to stop sprinkling false narratives with what is true. You're right. it might be false narratives. I'm just saying flash's intention was malicious in this coin scandal and I see people defending it. Aside from that it's pretty sad his entire career seems to be tainted and ruined just because of that action he committed lol.
Yea I can't wait to see how all this plays out and see if there are more bad characters hiding in the shadows.
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Interesting how people are reading some of these posts as people "defending" Flash and the other streamers.
Always black and white...the signs of the sad world we live in..
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On June 29 2021 07:03 oxKnu wrote:
Interesting how people are reading some of these posts as people "defending" Flash and the other streamers.
Always black and white...the signs of the sad world we live in..
was just gonna say the same thing. apparently reserving judgment is an unknown concept here. so pathetic
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On June 29 2021 06:09 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 05:53 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 05:36 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 04:26 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 03:30 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 01:31 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 29 2021 01:21 DrDevice wrote:On June 29 2021 01:12 oxKnu wrote:On June 29 2021 00:28 TMNT wrote:
There doesn't need to have legal violations or financial consequences for them to have such reactions. The key thing here is Flash and co tried to gain profits off the pocket of (possibly) their fans in a dishonest manner. In the end no one actually lost anything, but the fact that they were aware of the fraudulent scheme and still willing to go with it remains.
Speaking of twisting things and making up your own information. In other parts of the world you would get sued out of your mind if you come out with these false statements. ... lmfao just because you are so stupid that you think Flash didn't know what he's doing doesn't make it true. Flash is not as stupid as you, he knew what he was doing. and your proof of this is? he explicitly wrote in his letter that his mum spoke with suit and decided to invest 200k with flash. are you saying that his mum is also a scumbag and an accomplice? or you think flash would stoop down low enough to sell out his own mother in an effort to make him look more innocent in the eyes of his viewers? im getting sick of these dumbasses jumping to conclusions about the streamers' involvement in this. wait till some more information comes out so we can know what the facts are instead of trying to throw every single one of them into a pit when it is quite possible they could have come out of this as victims just as much as their viewers. seems like afreeca isnt alone in having community members that are equally irrational and quick to shit on someone because "it looks bad". On June 28 2021 22:26 Dante08 wrote:On June 28 2021 12:34 TT1 wrote:On June 28 2021 10:50 reincremate wrote:On June 27 2021 14:09 TT1 wrote:
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morals (and thus immoral acts) are viewed much differently in the East relative to the West, there's a pretty big cultural difference
Sorry to derail, but I have to say this is really not true. Basic stuff like not lying for personal gain is universal to all cultures. There isn't anywhere in the world where scamming people for money is acceptable behavior (not saying this is or isn't what the streamers were doing), only places where unacceptable behavior is more common than other places due to various socioeconomic factors. There are plenty of real differences between collectivistic and individualistic cultures, but we tend to mystify other cultures as if they're fundamentally different at the moral level, when that's not actually the case. (fyi i'm saying this is taken more seriously in the East) If you think about it logically, culture and values certainly have to be different in 1 race nations relative to multi race nations, simply because of the difference in impact that govs. also have. Asian nations implement much more aggressive policies (which in turn creates cultural differences), this isn't a myth. For example, look at the development that nations like Singapore (Lee Kuan Yew) have made in a short period of time. That was done through a change in culture by the government and implementation of a meritocratic system. also these are quantifiable things.. for example, you can compare the difference in penalties for certain crimes Actually I feel Korea is an extreme outlier regarding things like these. Just look at how they treat their celebrities and how many of them mentione the huge public pressure they face over the tiniest things. I don't see this happening in other countries. Either way the people there need to just chill and stop being keyboard warriors. if i had to give a koreans' perspective on why korean fans judge celebrities with such scrutiny, its basically because most koreans dont believe that most celebrities earned their fame on merit. given how vain korean people are in general, celebrities are the pinnacle of people who are appreciated for their appearance ahead of talent. and anyone who knows anything about kpop will know that the success of any up and coming celebrity is completely at the mercy of the fans and how well they are received, and that this in 99% of cases has nothing to do with the celebrity's talent. so effectively if a typical celebrity without any particular talent "makes it", theyve only made it because the public allowed that to be. so if youre going to live that life then you better take the high road and "talk the talk" (ie. live up to your image, be a model citizen etc), because if for one second people realise that youre abusing the love and attention you get from your fans who put your talentless ass on a pedestal, they will turn their backs on you just as quick. theres a few people who have had fans turn their back and talk shit about them heaps, but still stay around the scene and still be successful. those people have talent that is actually recognised even amongst the public. off the top of my head is the actor byung hun lee, whos had a few scandals but no one says shit about him constantly participating in films because they think hes a damn good actor anyway. this is just my opinion though lol i think other pros didn't know that well about the investment but flash definitely knew. Flash moved to apartment where that guy SUIT lived and hung around with sketchy people for years. He also used his "mom" excuse when his dog accidentally carried his gf's bra and claimed that it was his mom's when in fact it was his GF. It was revealed to be his GF's later. Flash is pretty well known scumbag covered by his impeccable skills. He was the the sole reason jangbi decided to retire and flash made it seem like people needed to beg him to play. Lot of koreans knew his character wasn't up to par with his skills. Don't be fooled my man. He was one of the masterminds and he def knew all about the coin and how it worked as he was into this thing for years. stop spreading bullshit with the Jangbi news. Why would Jangbi invite Flash to his wedding, and talk about meeting up having dinner and drinks with Flash post Jangbi leaving Afreeca. I'm so sick of people running with bullshit misinformation they picked up from some troll in ygosu. Same happened on this forum during the Last trolling on ygosu, people here made him out to be an asshole degenerate because you have these 1 or 2 people taking ygosu threads at face value and spreading false info here without realizing it's not like TL and more like 4chan. Btw you can dig through youtube and find interviews Jangbi did after leaving Afreeca. He's a grown man with grown man responsibilities. Sitting in front of a cam playing games and making a highly volatile income doesn't cut it out unless you're one of the major streamers. ??? Flash : "I'm gonna bo3 Jangbi 21 times and make him retire from afreeca pro scene" You think that's good? Yes that was said. But if they are truly on bad terms why would he invite him to his wedding and meet up with him on other various occasions? Who the fuck would invite someone they hate to their wedding day? I said plenty of fucked up shit to my friends but guess what we move on and we're still friends till this day. I'm not trying to defend Flashes character, I have no need to. I am only merely trying to get people to stop sprinkling false narratives with what is true. You're right. it might be false narratives. I'm just saying flash's intention was malicious in this coin scandal and I see people defending it. Aside from that it's pretty sad his entire career seems to be tainted and ruined just because of that action he committed lol.
Do you know FOR SURE Flash has malicious intentions or are you passing judgement based on him shit talking Jangbi and not wanting to reveal his gf.
God dam people at least wait for the full story to surface before judging.
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On June 29 2021 11:22 Dante08 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 06:09 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 05:53 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 05:36 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 04:26 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 03:30 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 01:31 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 29 2021 01:21 DrDevice wrote:On June 29 2021 01:12 oxKnu wrote:On June 29 2021 00:28 TMNT wrote:
There doesn't need to have legal violations or financial consequences for them to have such reactions. The key thing here is Flash and co tried to gain profits off the pocket of (possibly) their fans in a dishonest manner. In the end no one actually lost anything, but the fact that they were aware of the fraudulent scheme and still willing to go with it remains.
Speaking of twisting things and making up your own information. In other parts of the world you would get sued out of your mind if you come out with these false statements. ... lmfao just because you are so stupid that you think Flash didn't know what he's doing doesn't make it true. Flash is not as stupid as you, he knew what he was doing. and your proof of this is? he explicitly wrote in his letter that his mum spoke with suit and decided to invest 200k with flash. are you saying that his mum is also a scumbag and an accomplice? or you think flash would stoop down low enough to sell out his own mother in an effort to make him look more innocent in the eyes of his viewers? im getting sick of these dumbasses jumping to conclusions about the streamers' involvement in this. wait till some more information comes out so we can know what the facts are instead of trying to throw every single one of them into a pit when it is quite possible they could have come out of this as victims just as much as their viewers. seems like afreeca isnt alone in having community members that are equally irrational and quick to shit on someone because "it looks bad". On June 28 2021 22:26 Dante08 wrote:On June 28 2021 12:34 TT1 wrote:On June 28 2021 10:50 reincremate wrote:
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Sorry to derail, but I have to say this is really not true. Basic stuff like not lying for personal gain is universal to all cultures. There isn't anywhere in the world where scamming people for money is acceptable behavior (not saying this is or isn't what the streamers were doing), only places where unacceptable behavior is more common than other places due to various socioeconomic factors. There are plenty of real differences between collectivistic and individualistic cultures, but we tend to mystify other cultures as if they're fundamentally different at the moral level, when that's not actually the case.
(fyi i'm saying this is taken more seriously in the East) If you think about it logically, culture and values certainly have to be different in 1 race nations relative to multi race nations, simply because of the difference in impact that govs. also have. Asian nations implement much more aggressive policies (which in turn creates cultural differences), this isn't a myth. For example, look at the development that nations like Singapore (Lee Kuan Yew) have made in a short period of time. That was done through a change in culture by the government and implementation of a meritocratic system. also these are quantifiable things.. for example, you can compare the difference in penalties for certain crimes Actually I feel Korea is an extreme outlier regarding things like these. Just look at how they treat their celebrities and how many of them mentione the huge public pressure they face over the tiniest things. I don't see this happening in other countries. Either way the people there need to just chill and stop being keyboard warriors. if i had to give a koreans' perspective on why korean fans judge celebrities with such scrutiny, its basically because most koreans dont believe that most celebrities earned their fame on merit. given how vain korean people are in general, celebrities are the pinnacle of people who are appreciated for their appearance ahead of talent. and anyone who knows anything about kpop will know that the success of any up and coming celebrity is completely at the mercy of the fans and how well they are received, and that this in 99% of cases has nothing to do with the celebrity's talent. so effectively if a typical celebrity without any particular talent "makes it", theyve only made it because the public allowed that to be. so if youre going to live that life then you better take the high road and "talk the talk" (ie. live up to your image, be a model citizen etc), because if for one second people realise that youre abusing the love and attention you get from your fans who put your talentless ass on a pedestal, they will turn their backs on you just as quick. theres a few people who have had fans turn their back and talk shit about them heaps, but still stay around the scene and still be successful. those people have talent that is actually recognised even amongst the public. off the top of my head is the actor byung hun lee, whos had a few scandals but no one says shit about him constantly participating in films because they think hes a damn good actor anyway. this is just my opinion though lol i think other pros didn't know that well about the investment but flash definitely knew. Flash moved to apartment where that guy SUIT lived and hung around with sketchy people for years. He also used his "mom" excuse when his dog accidentally carried his gf's bra and claimed that it was his mom's when in fact it was his GF. It was revealed to be his GF's later. Flash is pretty well known scumbag covered by his impeccable skills. He was the the sole reason jangbi decided to retire and flash made it seem like people needed to beg him to play. Lot of koreans knew his character wasn't up to par with his skills. Don't be fooled my man. He was one of the masterminds and he def knew all about the coin and how it worked as he was into this thing for years. stop spreading bullshit with the Jangbi news. Why would Jangbi invite Flash to his wedding, and talk about meeting up having dinner and drinks with Flash post Jangbi leaving Afreeca. I'm so sick of people running with bullshit misinformation they picked up from some troll in ygosu. Same happened on this forum during the Last trolling on ygosu, people here made him out to be an asshole degenerate because you have these 1 or 2 people taking ygosu threads at face value and spreading false info here without realizing it's not like TL and more like 4chan. Btw you can dig through youtube and find interviews Jangbi did after leaving Afreeca. He's a grown man with grown man responsibilities. Sitting in front of a cam playing games and making a highly volatile income doesn't cut it out unless you're one of the major streamers. ??? Flash : "I'm gonna bo3 Jangbi 21 times and make him retire from afreeca pro scene" You think that's good? Yes that was said. But if they are truly on bad terms why would he invite him to his wedding and meet up with him on other various occasions? Who the fuck would invite someone they hate to their wedding day? I said plenty of fucked up shit to my friends but guess what we move on and we're still friends till this day. I'm not trying to defend Flashes character, I have no need to. I am only merely trying to get people to stop sprinkling false narratives with what is true. You're right. it might be false narratives. I'm just saying flash's intention was malicious in this coin scandal and I see people defending it. Aside from that it's pretty sad his entire career seems to be tainted and ruined just because of that action he committed lol. Do you know FOR SURE Flash has malicious intentions or are you passing judgement based on him shit talking Jangbi and not wanting to reveal his gf. God dam people at least wait for the full story to surface before judging.
I mean you're right but we do know he hung around with sketchy people and hung around with SUIT for months. Flash was also involved in several investments and knew the pay structure. If he truly cared about his fans he probably would've not invested. RAIN also had opportunity to invest but he decided not to for the fans.
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i guess flash and co could have been sort of strongarmed into it due to donation indebtedness (to suit or w/e). but yes i will never say they are entirely not complicit in this drama, they have more than enough time to think through what it actually entails (like do you think they dont see the impact it has on the viewers) theres always an option to say no to whatever they are proposing...and they didn't
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On June 29 2021 11:34 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 11:22 Dante08 wrote:On June 29 2021 06:09 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 05:53 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 05:36 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 04:26 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 03:30 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 01:31 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 29 2021 01:21 DrDevice wrote:On June 29 2021 01:12 oxKnu wrote:
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Speaking of twisting things and making up your own information. In other parts of the world you would get sued out of your mind if you come out with these false statements.
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lmfao just because you are so stupid that you think Flash didn't know what he's doing doesn't make it true. Flash is not as stupid as you, he knew what he was doing. and your proof of this is? he explicitly wrote in his letter that his mum spoke with suit and decided to invest 200k with flash. are you saying that his mum is also a scumbag and an accomplice? or you think flash would stoop down low enough to sell out his own mother in an effort to make him look more innocent in the eyes of his viewers? im getting sick of these dumbasses jumping to conclusions about the streamers' involvement in this. wait till some more information comes out so we can know what the facts are instead of trying to throw every single one of them into a pit when it is quite possible they could have come out of this as victims just as much as their viewers. seems like afreeca isnt alone in having community members that are equally irrational and quick to shit on someone because "it looks bad". On June 28 2021 22:26 Dante08 wrote:On June 28 2021 12:34 TT1 wrote:
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(fyi i'm saying this is taken more seriously in the East)
If you think about it logically, culture and values certainly have to be different in 1 race nations relative to multi race nations, simply because of the difference in impact that govs. also have. Asian nations implement much more aggressive policies (which in turn creates cultural differences), this isn't a myth. For example, look at the development that nations like Singapore (Lee Kuan Yew) have made in a short period of time. That was done through a change in culture by the government and implementation of a meritocratic system.
also these are quantifiable things.. for example, you can compare the difference in penalties for certain crimes Actually I feel Korea is an extreme outlier regarding things like these. Just look at how they treat their celebrities and how many of them mentione the huge public pressure they face over the tiniest things. I don't see this happening in other countries. Either way the people there need to just chill and stop being keyboard warriors. if i had to give a koreans' perspective on why korean fans judge celebrities with such scrutiny, its basically because most koreans dont believe that most celebrities earned their fame on merit. given how vain korean people are in general, celebrities are the pinnacle of people who are appreciated for their appearance ahead of talent. and anyone who knows anything about kpop will know that the success of any up and coming celebrity is completely at the mercy of the fans and how well they are received, and that this in 99% of cases has nothing to do with the celebrity's talent. so effectively if a typical celebrity without any particular talent "makes it", theyve only made it because the public allowed that to be. so if youre going to live that life then you better take the high road and "talk the talk" (ie. live up to your image, be a model citizen etc), because if for one second people realise that youre abusing the love and attention you get from your fans who put your talentless ass on a pedestal, they will turn their backs on you just as quick. theres a few people who have had fans turn their back and talk shit about them heaps, but still stay around the scene and still be successful. those people have talent that is actually recognised even amongst the public. off the top of my head is the actor byung hun lee, whos had a few scandals but no one says shit about him constantly participating in films because they think hes a damn good actor anyway. this is just my opinion though lol i think other pros didn't know that well about the investment but flash definitely knew. Flash moved to apartment where that guy SUIT lived and hung around with sketchy people for years. He also used his "mom" excuse when his dog accidentally carried his gf's bra and claimed that it was his mom's when in fact it was his GF. It was revealed to be his GF's later. Flash is pretty well known scumbag covered by his impeccable skills. He was the the sole reason jangbi decided to retire and flash made it seem like people needed to beg him to play. Lot of koreans knew his character wasn't up to par with his skills. Don't be fooled my man. He was one of the masterminds and he def knew all about the coin and how it worked as he was into this thing for years. stop spreading bullshit with the Jangbi news. Why would Jangbi invite Flash to his wedding, and talk about meeting up having dinner and drinks with Flash post Jangbi leaving Afreeca. I'm so sick of people running with bullshit misinformation they picked up from some troll in ygosu. Same happened on this forum during the Last trolling on ygosu, people here made him out to be an asshole degenerate because you have these 1 or 2 people taking ygosu threads at face value and spreading false info here without realizing it's not like TL and more like 4chan. Btw you can dig through youtube and find interviews Jangbi did after leaving Afreeca. He's a grown man with grown man responsibilities. Sitting in front of a cam playing games and making a highly volatile income doesn't cut it out unless you're one of the major streamers. ??? Flash : "I'm gonna bo3 Jangbi 21 times and make him retire from afreeca pro scene" You think that's good? Yes that was said. But if they are truly on bad terms why would he invite him to his wedding and meet up with him on other various occasions? Who the fuck would invite someone they hate to their wedding day? I said plenty of fucked up shit to my friends but guess what we move on and we're still friends till this day. I'm not trying to defend Flashes character, I have no need to. I am only merely trying to get people to stop sprinkling false narratives with what is true. You're right. it might be false narratives. I'm just saying flash's intention was malicious in this coin scandal and I see people defending it. Aside from that it's pretty sad his entire career seems to be tainted and ruined just because of that action he committed lol. Do you know FOR SURE Flash has malicious intentions or are you passing judgement based on him shit talking Jangbi and not wanting to reveal his gf. God dam people at least wait for the full story to surface before judging. I mean you're right but we do know he hung around with sketchy people and hung around with SUIT for months. Flash was also involved in several investments and knew the pay structure. If he truly cared about his fans he probably would've not invested. RAIN also had opportunity to invest but he decided not to for the fans.
enlighten me what exactly was the pay structure? you dont know.
thats the issue thats still unconfirmed, whether these streamers engaged in this knowing that the coin would be nothing more than a pump and dump or if they were led to believe that suit and his backers were hopeful of this coin being a longer term investment.
if its the latter then you cant blame any streamer for making an investment at all. investing in stocks (and crypto by extension) inherently requires someone to profit from anothers loss. that doesnt mean the streamers maliciously invested knowing that they could rip off their fans.
also i havent been able to confirm whether flash explicitly mentioned his investment in TO coin prior to this blowing up. his announcement refers to his involvement in the crypto market in general, so it does not automatically mean he specifically promoted this coin to his viewers during his stream. if thats the case then how could you argue that there was an attempt to manipulate the market and his viewers?
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Everything here seems super consistent with progamers being not very smart outside of bw
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On June 29 2021 16:07 Puosu wrote:
Everything here seems super consistent with progamers being not very smart outside of bw
because most players grew up in the kespa farm system so they never acquired any street skills/social awareness during their teenage years.
unfortunate consequence of success, i guess.
that being said, there are still some very successful ex-progamers who have done well for themselves after retirement; oversky is a dentist and much is a civil servant, to name a couple.
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I bet Bisu makes more than a dentist in one hour of staring at semi-nude korean girls on afreeca.
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On June 29 2021 16:35 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 16:07 Puosu wrote:
Everything here seems super consistent with progamers being not very smart outside of bw because most players grew up in the kespa farm system so they never acquired any street skills/social awareness during their teenage years. unfortunate consequence of success, i guess. that being said, there are still some very successful ex-progamers who have done well for themselves after retirement; oversky is a dentist and much is a civil servant, to name a couple.
Absolutely. Gotta wonder if stuff like the match fixing scandal would've been avoided had the kids lived more normal lives.
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On June 29 2021 18:21 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 16:35 GTR wrote:On June 29 2021 16:07 Puosu wrote:
Everything here seems super consistent with progamers being not very smart outside of bw because most players grew up in the kespa farm system so they never acquired any street skills/social awareness during their teenage years. unfortunate consequence of success, i guess. that being said, there are still some very successful ex-progamers who have done well for themselves after retirement; oversky is a dentist and much is a civil servant, to name a couple. Absolutely. Gotta wonder if stuff like the match fixing scandal would've been avoided had the kids lived more normal lives.
doubt it. the equivalent of match fixing for people in society happens all the time anyway. choosing to engage in activity like that isnt an educational issue, its a character issue.
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On June 29 2021 12:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 11:34 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 11:22 Dante08 wrote:On June 29 2021 06:09 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 05:53 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 05:36 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 04:26 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 03:30 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 01:31 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 29 2021 01:21 DrDevice wrote:
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lmfao just because you are so stupid that you think Flash didn't know what he's doing doesn't make it true. Flash is not as stupid as you, he knew what he was doing. and your proof of this is? he explicitly wrote in his letter that his mum spoke with suit and decided to invest 200k with flash. are you saying that his mum is also a scumbag and an accomplice? or you think flash would stoop down low enough to sell out his own mother in an effort to make him look more innocent in the eyes of his viewers? im getting sick of these dumbasses jumping to conclusions about the streamers' involvement in this. wait till some more information comes out so we can know what the facts are instead of trying to throw every single one of them into a pit when it is quite possible they could have come out of this as victims just as much as their viewers. seems like afreeca isnt alone in having community members that are equally irrational and quick to shit on someone because "it looks bad". On June 28 2021 22:26 Dante08 wrote:
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Actually I feel Korea is an extreme outlier regarding things like these. Just look at how they treat their celebrities and how many of them mentione the huge public pressure they face over the tiniest things. I don't see this happening in other countries.
Either way the people there need to just chill and stop being keyboard warriors.
if i had to give a koreans' perspective on why korean fans judge celebrities with such scrutiny, its basically because most koreans dont believe that most celebrities earned their fame on merit. given how vain korean people are in general, celebrities are the pinnacle of people who are appreciated for their appearance ahead of talent. and anyone who knows anything about kpop will know that the success of any up and coming celebrity is completely at the mercy of the fans and how well they are received, and that this in 99% of cases has nothing to do with the celebrity's talent. so effectively if a typical celebrity without any particular talent "makes it", theyve only made it because the public allowed that to be. so if youre going to live that life then you better take the high road and "talk the talk" (ie. live up to your image, be a model citizen etc), because if for one second people realise that youre abusing the love and attention you get from your fans who put your talentless ass on a pedestal, they will turn their backs on you just as quick. theres a few people who have had fans turn their back and talk shit about them heaps, but still stay around the scene and still be successful. those people have talent that is actually recognised even amongst the public. off the top of my head is the actor byung hun lee, whos had a few scandals but no one says shit about him constantly participating in films because they think hes a damn good actor anyway. this is just my opinion though lol i think other pros didn't know that well about the investment but flash definitely knew. Flash moved to apartment where that guy SUIT lived and hung around with sketchy people for years. He also used his "mom" excuse when his dog accidentally carried his gf's bra and claimed that it was his mom's when in fact it was his GF. It was revealed to be his GF's later. Flash is pretty well known scumbag covered by his impeccable skills. He was the the sole reason jangbi decided to retire and flash made it seem like people needed to beg him to play. Lot of koreans knew his character wasn't up to par with his skills. Don't be fooled my man. He was one of the masterminds and he def knew all about the coin and how it worked as he was into this thing for years. stop spreading bullshit with the Jangbi news. Why would Jangbi invite Flash to his wedding, and talk about meeting up having dinner and drinks with Flash post Jangbi leaving Afreeca. I'm so sick of people running with bullshit misinformation they picked up from some troll in ygosu. Same happened on this forum during the Last trolling on ygosu, people here made him out to be an asshole degenerate because you have these 1 or 2 people taking ygosu threads at face value and spreading false info here without realizing it's not like TL and more like 4chan. Btw you can dig through youtube and find interviews Jangbi did after leaving Afreeca. He's a grown man with grown man responsibilities. Sitting in front of a cam playing games and making a highly volatile income doesn't cut it out unless you're one of the major streamers. ??? Flash : "I'm gonna bo3 Jangbi 21 times and make him retire from afreeca pro scene" You think that's good? Yes that was said. But if they are truly on bad terms why would he invite him to his wedding and meet up with him on other various occasions? Who the fuck would invite someone they hate to their wedding day? I said plenty of fucked up shit to my friends but guess what we move on and we're still friends till this day. I'm not trying to defend Flashes character, I have no need to. I am only merely trying to get people to stop sprinkling false narratives with what is true. You're right. it might be false narratives. I'm just saying flash's intention was malicious in this coin scandal and I see people defending it. Aside from that it's pretty sad his entire career seems to be tainted and ruined just because of that action he committed lol. Do you know FOR SURE Flash has malicious intentions or are you passing judgement based on him shit talking Jangbi and not wanting to reveal his gf. God dam people at least wait for the full story to surface before judging. I mean you're right but we do know he hung around with sketchy people and hung around with SUIT for months. Flash was also involved in several investments and knew the pay structure. If he truly cared about his fans he probably would've not invested. RAIN also had opportunity to invest but he decided not to for the fans. enlighten me what exactly was the pay structure? you dont know. thats the issue thats still unconfirmed, whether these streamers engaged in this knowing that the coin would be nothing more than a pump and dump or if they were led to believe that suit and his backers were hopeful of this coin being a longer term investment. if its the latter then you cant blame any streamer for making an investment at all. investing in stocks (and crypto by extension) inherently requires someone to profit from anothers loss. that doesnt mean the streamers maliciously invested knowing that they could rip off their fans. also i havent been able to confirm whether flash explicitly mentioned his investment in TO coin prior to this blowing up. his announcement refers to his involvement in the crypto market in general, so it does not automatically mean he specifically promoted this coin to his viewers during his stream. if thats the case then how could you argue that there was an attempt to manipulate the market and his viewers?
What you said can only be applied in the case of Bisu who only invested recently and never promoted it to anyone. His mistakes were hanging out with the wrong people then lied to the fans at first to avoid collateral damage.
But in Flash's case, it's pretty much stated in the op by jinjin that he pre-invested in the coin, signed a contract with the mastermind, then "promoted" it on his stream. I don't know why you keep denying it when that much is clear. The only ambiguous thing is the promotion part. So yeah, of course he didn't specifically call anyone to buy this coin (like his statement reads), but by mentioning it here and there in his stream it's pretty much product placement which is a kind of advertisement. Now if you buy a popular coin and mention it on stream, it's a normal thing, other streamers do it all the time. But when you invest in a coin that hasn't launched yet, and you're close with the one who made that coin (which means you probably know about his intention), then subtly advertising it on your stream becomes a fishy thing.
You want more concrete proofs than that? I doubt there will ever by any, because this is not a legal case. And the people involved will just likely stay silent until the storm has passed. Any person with a common sense of logic can deduce that much, you're just in denial.
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On June 29 2021 16:35 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 16:07 Puosu wrote:
Everything here seems super consistent with progamers being not very smart outside of bw because most players grew up in the kespa farm system so they never acquired any street skills/social awareness during their teenage years. unfortunate consequence of success, i guess. that being said, there are still some very successful ex-progamers who have done well for themselves after retirement; oversky is a dentist and much is a civil servant, to name a couple.
I think back in KeSPA's days, a pro gamer currently in a relationship was news worthy. Sometimes that coincided with a slump for that pro gamer, not winning as much in StarCraft. Just to add up to lack of social interaction argument.
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On June 29 2021 22:49 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 12:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 29 2021 11:34 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 11:22 Dante08 wrote:On June 29 2021 06:09 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 05:53 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 05:36 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 04:26 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 03:30 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 01:31 evilfatsh1t wrote:
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and your proof of this is?
he explicitly wrote in his letter that his mum spoke with suit and decided to invest 200k with flash.
are you saying that his mum is also a scumbag and an accomplice? or you think flash would stoop down low enough to sell out his own mother in an effort to make him look more innocent in the eyes of his viewers?
im getting sick of these dumbasses jumping to conclusions about the streamers' involvement in this. wait till some more information comes out so we can know what the facts are instead of trying to throw every single one of them into a pit when it is quite possible they could have come out of this as victims just as much as their viewers.
seems like afreeca isnt alone in having community members that are equally irrational and quick to shit on someone because "it looks bad".
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if i had to give a koreans' perspective on why korean fans judge celebrities with such scrutiny, its basically because most koreans dont believe that most celebrities earned their fame on merit. given how vain korean people are in general, celebrities are the pinnacle of people who are appreciated for their appearance ahead of talent. and anyone who knows anything about kpop will know that the success of any up and coming celebrity is completely at the mercy of the fans and how well they are received, and that this in 99% of cases has nothing to do with the celebrity's talent.
so effectively if a typical celebrity without any particular talent "makes it", theyve only made it because the public allowed that to be. so if youre going to live that life then you better take the high road and "talk the talk" (ie. live up to your image, be a model citizen etc), because if for one second people realise that youre abusing the love and attention you get from your fans who put your talentless ass on a pedestal, they will turn their backs on you just as quick.
theres a few people who have had fans turn their back and talk shit about them heaps, but still stay around the scene and still be successful. those people have talent that is actually recognised even amongst the public. off the top of my head is the actor byung hun lee, whos had a few scandals but no one says shit about him constantly participating in films because they think hes a damn good actor anyway.
this is just my opinion though lol i think other pros didn't know that well about the investment but flash definitely knew. Flash moved to apartment where that guy SUIT lived and hung around with sketchy people for years. He also used his "mom" excuse when his dog accidentally carried his gf's bra and claimed that it was his mom's when in fact it was his GF. It was revealed to be his GF's later. Flash is pretty well known scumbag covered by his impeccable skills. He was the the sole reason jangbi decided to retire and flash made it seem like people needed to beg him to play. Lot of koreans knew his character wasn't up to par with his skills. Don't be fooled my man. He was one of the masterminds and he def knew all about the coin and how it worked as he was into this thing for years. stop spreading bullshit with the Jangbi news. Why would Jangbi invite Flash to his wedding, and talk about meeting up having dinner and drinks with Flash post Jangbi leaving Afreeca. I'm so sick of people running with bullshit misinformation they picked up from some troll in ygosu. Same happened on this forum during the Last trolling on ygosu, people here made him out to be an asshole degenerate because you have these 1 or 2 people taking ygosu threads at face value and spreading false info here without realizing it's not like TL and more like 4chan. Btw you can dig through youtube and find interviews Jangbi did after leaving Afreeca. He's a grown man with grown man responsibilities. Sitting in front of a cam playing games and making a highly volatile income doesn't cut it out unless you're one of the major streamers. ??? Flash : "I'm gonna bo3 Jangbi 21 times and make him retire from afreeca pro scene" You think that's good? Yes that was said. But if they are truly on bad terms why would he invite him to his wedding and meet up with him on other various occasions? Who the fuck would invite someone they hate to their wedding day? I said plenty of fucked up shit to my friends but guess what we move on and we're still friends till this day. I'm not trying to defend Flashes character, I have no need to. I am only merely trying to get people to stop sprinkling false narratives with what is true. You're right. it might be false narratives. I'm just saying flash's intention was malicious in this coin scandal and I see people defending it. Aside from that it's pretty sad his entire career seems to be tainted and ruined just because of that action he committed lol. Do you know FOR SURE Flash has malicious intentions or are you passing judgement based on him shit talking Jangbi and not wanting to reveal his gf. God dam people at least wait for the full story to surface before judging. I mean you're right but we do know he hung around with sketchy people and hung around with SUIT for months. Flash was also involved in several investments and knew the pay structure. If he truly cared about his fans he probably would've not invested. RAIN also had opportunity to invest but he decided not to for the fans. enlighten me what exactly was the pay structure? you dont know. thats the issue thats still unconfirmed, whether these streamers engaged in this knowing that the coin would be nothing more than a pump and dump or if they were led to believe that suit and his backers were hopeful of this coin being a longer term investment. if its the latter then you cant blame any streamer for making an investment at all. investing in stocks (and crypto by extension) inherently requires someone to profit from anothers loss. that doesnt mean the streamers maliciously invested knowing that they could rip off their fans. also i havent been able to confirm whether flash explicitly mentioned his investment in TO coin prior to this blowing up. his announcement refers to his involvement in the crypto market in general, so it does not automatically mean he specifically promoted this coin to his viewers during his stream. if thats the case then how could you argue that there was an attempt to manipulate the market and his viewers? What you said can only be applied in the case of Bisu who only invested recently and never promoted it to anyone. His mistakes were hanging out with the wrong people then lied to the fans at first to avoid collateral damage. But in Flash's case, it's pretty much stated in the op by jinjin that he pre-invested in the coin, signed a contract with the mastermind, then "promoted" it on his stream. I don't know why you keep denying it when that much is clear. The only ambiguous thing is the promotion part. So yeah, of course he didn't specifically call anyone to buy this coin (like his statement reads), but by mentioning it here and there in his stream it's pretty much product placement which is a kind of advertisement. Now if you buy a popular coin and mention it on stream, it's a normal thing, other streamers do it all the time. But when you invest in a coin that hasn't launched yet, and you're close with the one who made that coin (which means you probably know about his intention), then subtly advertising it on your stream becomes a fishy thing. You want more concrete proofs than that? I doubt there will ever by any, because this is not a legal case. And the people involved will just likely stay silent until the storm has passed. Any person with a common sense of logic can deduce that much, you're just in denial.
there’s this lack of advertising honesty/transparency (clear visuals, logos, verbal indications that he is sponsored or associated), and the fact that these kinds of crypto purchases can easily hurt people financially is why people are pissed.
also doesn’t help that he’s making money off literal donations; is he in any position to influence people where to make their “investments” if it’s not properly transparent that he has a paid incentive?
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On June 29 2021 22:49 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 12:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 29 2021 11:34 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 11:22 Dante08 wrote:On June 29 2021 06:09 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 05:53 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 05:36 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 04:26 staatbauhaus wrote:On June 29 2021 03:30 Shinokuki wrote:On June 29 2021 01:31 evilfatsh1t wrote:
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and your proof of this is?
he explicitly wrote in his letter that his mum spoke with suit and decided to invest 200k with flash.
are you saying that his mum is also a scumbag and an accomplice? or you think flash would stoop down low enough to sell out his own mother in an effort to make him look more innocent in the eyes of his viewers?
im getting sick of these dumbasses jumping to conclusions about the streamers' involvement in this. wait till some more information comes out so we can know what the facts are instead of trying to throw every single one of them into a pit when it is quite possible they could have come out of this as victims just as much as their viewers.
seems like afreeca isnt alone in having community members that are equally irrational and quick to shit on someone because "it looks bad".
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if i had to give a koreans' perspective on why korean fans judge celebrities with such scrutiny, its basically because most koreans dont believe that most celebrities earned their fame on merit. given how vain korean people are in general, celebrities are the pinnacle of people who are appreciated for their appearance ahead of talent. and anyone who knows anything about kpop will know that the success of any up and coming celebrity is completely at the mercy of the fans and how well they are received, and that this in 99% of cases has nothing to do with the celebrity's talent.
so effectively if a typical celebrity without any particular talent "makes it", theyve only made it because the public allowed that to be. so if youre going to live that life then you better take the high road and "talk the talk" (ie. live up to your image, be a model citizen etc), because if for one second people realise that youre abusing the love and attention you get from your fans who put your talentless ass on a pedestal, they will turn their backs on you just as quick.
theres a few people who have had fans turn their back and talk shit about them heaps, but still stay around the scene and still be successful. those people have talent that is actually recognised even amongst the public. off the top of my head is the actor byung hun lee, whos had a few scandals but no one says shit about him constantly participating in films because they think hes a damn good actor anyway.
this is just my opinion though lol i think other pros didn't know that well about the investment but flash definitely knew. Flash moved to apartment where that guy SUIT lived and hung around with sketchy people for years. He also used his "mom" excuse when his dog accidentally carried his gf's bra and claimed that it was his mom's when in fact it was his GF. It was revealed to be his GF's later. Flash is pretty well known scumbag covered by his impeccable skills. He was the the sole reason jangbi decided to retire and flash made it seem like people needed to beg him to play. Lot of koreans knew his character wasn't up to par with his skills. Don't be fooled my man. He was one of the masterminds and he def knew all about the coin and how it worked as he was into this thing for years. stop spreading bullshit with the Jangbi news. Why would Jangbi invite Flash to his wedding, and talk about meeting up having dinner and drinks with Flash post Jangbi leaving Afreeca. I'm so sick of people running with bullshit misinformation they picked up from some troll in ygosu. Same happened on this forum during the Last trolling on ygosu, people here made him out to be an asshole degenerate because you have these 1 or 2 people taking ygosu threads at face value and spreading false info here without realizing it's not like TL and more like 4chan. Btw you can dig through youtube and find interviews Jangbi did after leaving Afreeca. He's a grown man with grown man responsibilities. Sitting in front of a cam playing games and making a highly volatile income doesn't cut it out unless you're one of the major streamers. ??? Flash : "I'm gonna bo3 Jangbi 21 times and make him retire from afreeca pro scene" You think that's good? Yes that was said. But if they are truly on bad terms why would he invite him to his wedding and meet up with him on other various occasions? Who the fuck would invite someone they hate to their wedding day? I said plenty of fucked up shit to my friends but guess what we move on and we're still friends till this day. I'm not trying to defend Flashes character, I have no need to. I am only merely trying to get people to stop sprinkling false narratives with what is true. You're right. it might be false narratives. I'm just saying flash's intention was malicious in this coin scandal and I see people defending it. Aside from that it's pretty sad his entire career seems to be tainted and ruined just because of that action he committed lol. Do you know FOR SURE Flash has malicious intentions or are you passing judgement based on him shit talking Jangbi and not wanting to reveal his gf. God dam people at least wait for the full story to surface before judging. I mean you're right but we do know he hung around with sketchy people and hung around with SUIT for months. Flash was also involved in several investments and knew the pay structure. If he truly cared about his fans he probably would've not invested. RAIN also had opportunity to invest but he decided not to for the fans. enlighten me what exactly was the pay structure? you dont know. thats the issue thats still unconfirmed, whether these streamers engaged in this knowing that the coin would be nothing more than a pump and dump or if they were led to believe that suit and his backers were hopeful of this coin being a longer term investment. if its the latter then you cant blame any streamer for making an investment at all. investing in stocks (and crypto by extension) inherently requires someone to profit from anothers loss. that doesnt mean the streamers maliciously invested knowing that they could rip off their fans. also i havent been able to confirm whether flash explicitly mentioned his investment in TO coin prior to this blowing up. his announcement refers to his involvement in the crypto market in general, so it does not automatically mean he specifically promoted this coin to his viewers during his stream. if thats the case then how could you argue that there was an attempt to manipulate the market and his viewers? What you said can only be applied in the case of Bisu who only invested recently and never promoted it to anyone. His mistakes were hanging out with the wrong people then lied to the fans at first to avoid collateral damage. But in Flash's case, it's pretty much stated in the op by jinjin that he pre-invested in the coin, signed a contract with the mastermind, then "promoted" it on his stream. I don't know why you keep denying it when that much is clear. The only ambiguous thing is the promotion part. So yeah, of course he didn't specifically call anyone to buy this coin (like his statement reads), but by mentioning it here and there in his stream it's pretty much product placement which is a kind of advertisement. Now if you buy a popular coin and mention it on stream, it's a normal thing, other streamers do it all the time. But when you invest in a coin that hasn't launched yet, and you're close with the one who made that coin (which means you probably know about his intention), then subtly advertising it on your stream becomes a fishy thing. You want more concrete proofs than that? I doubt there will ever by any, because this is not a legal case. And the people involved will just likely stay silent until the storm has passed. Any person with a common sense of logic can deduce that much, you're just in denial.
flash has been investing in crypto for a long time. if he doesnt specifically mention TO coin he could be referring to one of a number of crypto choices currently on the market. thats not even close to promoting TO coin. its existence is literally unknown to his viewers assuming he hasnt specifically mentioned it by name.
you mention his relationship with suit. how much do you think his viewers knew about suit before this scandal erupted? he was literally a high profile donor with a seemingly successful business from which he sourced his funds. thats all the afreeca community knew about him. absolutely no connection to a crypto being developed behind the scenes.
so then explain to me how at any time during flash's stream he was promoting TO coin if he never mentions the coin specifically and viewers cannot make the connection to suit because literally no viewer genuinely knew what he did? no streamer disclosed that they had made an investment to a coin developed by suit prior to the scandal.
youre looking at information available at present and creating the story when in reality the dots couldnt even be connected by the average viewer.
the main guy right now "investigating" this scandal explicitly says that it was lucky that the girl who outed Kote brought light to the issue because otherwise no one would have been able to make the connection that something suspicious is going on.
you must be some god at marketing if you think a good way to promote a product is to tell no one and keep it under the radar. normally your audience is supposed to understand wth it is youre promoting
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At the heart of this case is not whether the streamers promoted the coin.
The coin was before it was listed, and promoting it before that is meaningless. Because viewers cannot purchase coins because they are before the coins are listed on the market.
This scandal was revealed before the coin went public.
No one knows if Flash and Bisu have been promoting the coin since TOCoin was listed.
However, after TOcoin is listed on the exchange, if they don't promote the coin, they won't be able to get as much profit as the investment.
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If it’s not about them promoting the coin then what is it about?
This seems a bit blown out of proportion to me.
I hope this blows over fast :S
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On June 30 2021 16:55 Timebon3s wrote:
If it’s not about them promoting the coin then what is it about?
This seems a bit blown out of proportion to me.
I hope this blows over fast :S
I think so too. However, a small sign "Paid advertisement" on stream might have gone a long way. It's so standard you see it on YouTube, regular TV, even TV shows show it's paid advertisement before show starts and they use branded items. I seem to remember that even Korean pros had to remove labels on water when they were drinking on stage or am I wrong? If so, it shouldn't be a foreign concept in South Korea either.
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