EPTFlaSh's Crypto Scandal - Page 16
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rararara
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50324 Posts
On July 26 2021 10:33 Sigrun wrote: Heard he was a taxi driver or something but that was quite a while ago. Dunno if he's still doing that. he drove limos in a premium service to pay for his college tuition, he's since graduated and moved in with his gf, haven't heard about anything since. | ||
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stambe
Bulgaria492 Posts
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banana7
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Ikirouta
Finland727 Posts
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JAG.war
United States76 Posts
On June 26 2021 08:35 Scaramanga wrote: So flash mentioned this on stream saying he is an investor, didn't tell people to invest and told people to do their own homework about what investments they want to make, yet he is still at fault? This. I can’t see how this is a scandal by any measure. Sure Flash wasn’t perfectly immaculate but c’mon, why do we demand Jesus-like behavior from someone who has already given us so much? I like to believe we’re a community with a little common sense. I respect Flash’s apology, which honestly is more than we deserve. Moving on… | ||
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TMNT
2809 Posts
On October 04 2021 16:08 JAG.war wrote: This. I can’t see how this is a scandal by any measure. Sure Flash wasn’t perfectly immaculate but c’mon, why do we demand Jesus-like behavior from someone who has already given us so much? I like to believe we’re a community with a little common sense. I respect Flash’s apology, which honestly is more than we deserve. Moving on… Look at it this way: - This dodgy guy made a new coin which, although not illegal, is 99% a pump n dump scheme - Flash invested on this scheme, and invited a few others to do so - Flash indirectly promoted this coin on his stream. Can't say he didn't do anything wrong. If anything I only feel bad for Bisu, Sea, Britney who didn't do anything much other than listening to Flash's invitation. Anyway Sea is back streaming now and although it looks like he's still got a lot of hate speech from fans, the viewer counts are as good as ever. Maybe everything will go back to normal with time. | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
532 Posts
it’s not disputable that flash had a lucrative financial incentive to do so | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1432 Posts
On September 10 2021 12:06 Ikirouta wrote: Any updates on this? I'd like to read proper translations. Sea came back but he was already controversial figure so its to be expected | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25613 Posts
On October 05 2021 04:12 jinjin5000 wrote: Sea came back but he was already controversial figure so its to be expected Sea was already controversial? There is much I don’t know about the scene. | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
532 Posts
On October 05 2021 04:28 WombaT wrote: Sea was already controversial? There is much I don’t know about the scene. he loves to talk about a lot of things. especially how big and special his ****** is. | ||
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tedster
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MinixTheNerd
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jaytep
Taiwan7 Posts
This junk isn't new, too. Same stuff with Faze clan. They're being called out and being dropped from companies and sponsorships. Don't know if it is illegal, but it surely is trashy at best. Its a bit different, but same excuses as to them being stupid and innocent little rabbit cuties, we just didn't know! It's odd to me when people do something, go pretty hard, then say they don't know shit about it. I know he's got money, but to dump 300k into something you're now claiming you're just some dumb idiot, is, well, unbelievable. Possible, but unbelievable. Last time I put a whole bunch of money into something I am naive about and claim to know nothing about, was never. I know people do dumb stuff with their money and all, and it isn't always right to compare. But, what are the chances that I generally know more than Flash, Bisu, Sea, Faze Kay, etc, about streaming? How did they all simultaneously not know, but I know...? *We* know. Just they don't. It's just the ones to stand to gain from the pump and dump it was inevitably going to be, that don't know or understand. They're just naive to streaming morals and generic crypto knowledge that we all have now. Streaming isn't new, and crypto isn't new. Streaming rules and influencer morals isn't new and crypto scam coins aren't new. If this isn't that bad of a thing to people, I want my favorite player reinstated. All he did was fix a couple games, I can stand for some WWE pre situated games being traded here and there. UpMagic needs to come back, just say he didn't really know what the money was for, he didn't understand, and bada bing bada boom, or whatever genies say, he's just a regular old you and me now and can't figure it all out. We should feel sorry for his lack of intelligence on the matter of how he stood to gain from a match being rigged. Anyway, if we want to forgive dumb shit, let's all around forgive dumb shit. I want UpMagic back and I want him to be paid an 11 yr salary since the ban. He's just a naive little idiot like Flash. Just caught up in a situation that they benefited or would have benefitted from, but really didn't know. It would have been a happy accident if they made money.... | ||
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MinixTheNerd
200 Posts
On October 05 2021 15:21 jaytep wrote: Flash isn't new to all of this (business, monetizing himself). I'm a nobody, and I know to not do certain things on stream or to an audience. This junk isn't new, too. Same stuff with Faze clan. They're being called out and being dropped from companies and sponsorships. Don't know if it is illegal, but it surely is trashy at best. Its a bit different, but same excuses as to them being stupid and innocent little rabbit cuties, we just didn't know! It's odd to me when people do something, go pretty hard, then say they don't know shit about it. I know he's got money, but to dump 300k into something you're now claiming you're just some dumb idiot, is, well, unbelievable. Possible, but unbelievable. Last time I put a whole bunch of money into something I am naive about and claim to know nothing about, was never. I know people do dumb stuff with their money and all, and it isn't always right to compare. But, what are the chances that I generally know more than Flash, Bisu, Sea, Faze Kay, etc, about streaming? How did they all simultaneously not know, but I know...? *We* know. Just they don't. It's just the ones to stand to gain from the pump and dump it was inevitably going to be, that don't know or understand. They're just naive to streaming morals and generic crypto knowledge that we all have now. Streaming isn't new, and crypto isn't new. Streaming rules and influencer morals isn't new and crypto scam coins aren't new. If this isn't that bad of a thing to people, I want my favorite player reinstated. All he did was fix a couple games, I can stand for some WWE pre situated games being traded here and there. UpMagic needs to come back, just say he didn't really know what the money was for, he didn't understand, and bada bing bada boom, or whatever genies say, he's just a regular old you and me now and can't figure it all out. We should feel sorry for his lack of intelligence on the matter of how he stood to gain from a match being rigged. Anyway, if we want to forgive dumb shit, let's all around forgive dumb shit. I want UpMagic back and I want him to be paid an 11 yr salary since the ban. He's just a naive little idiot like Flash. Just caught up in a situation that they benefited or would have benefitted from, but really didn't know. It would have been a happy accident if they made money.... You're comparing apples and oranges here and there. Firstly Match fixing and promoting crypto currency are very different things. Every pro-gamer should know match fixing is illegal, but most governments don't even have consistent laws on crypto currencies, and yes people have been investing in crypto currencies for a while, but I can guarantee you most of those investors have little or no idea how crypto currency pricing works and probably just treat them like a commodity. Secondly, groups of friends who all happen to get caught up in the same scheme isn't uncommon, scammers know what they are doing, and often target them specifically to abuse mob mentality (as in when someone sees all their friends are also signing up, they feel more secure and assume its not sketchy) so I'm not surprised that all these pro-gamers/streamers were naïve enough to get caught up in this, it happens even on Wall Street. Thirdly, Flash is not a businessman, he is a professional gamer, and like most professional gamers most of their money management is handled by their families. Flash's job as a pro-gamer is to practice for his matches and rehearse speeches thanking his sponsors after his games. This is an ideal target for these scammers. I get that some people like to enforce draconian as a preventative measure, but the legal system is designed for "punish and reform". How are we suppose to carry out the reform part when tribal community members don't even want to give people a second chance. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway702 Posts
Just because you never did it doesn’t mean others are as smart as you. Besides, crypto is pretty new and people are blinded by the insane returns a little investment in Bitcoin 10 years ago would bring. This is just Koreas being thirsty for drama and want to hate successful streamers | ||
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MinixTheNerd
200 Posts
On October 05 2021 16:18 Timebon3s wrote: People invest huge amount of money in stocks they know nothing about, all the time. Just because you never did it doesn’t mean others are as smart as you. Besides, crypto is pretty new and people are blinded by the insane returns a little investment in Bitcoin 10 years ago would bring. This is just Koreas being thirsty for drama and want to hate successful streamers Exactly | ||
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ExpatRights
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Timebon3s
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jaytep
Taiwan7 Posts
On October 05 2021 15:48 MinixTheNerd wrote: You're comparing apples and oranges here and there. Firstly Match fixing and promoting crypto currency are very different things. Every pro-gamer should know match fixing is illegal, but most governments don't even have consistent laws on crypto currencies, and yes people have been investing in crypto currencies for a while, but I can guarantee you most of those investors have little or no idea how crypto currency pricing works and probably just treat them like a commodity. Secondly, groups of friends who all happen to get caught up in the same scheme isn't uncommon, scammers know what they are doing, and often target them specifically to abuse mob mentality (as in when someone sees all their friends are also signing up, they feel more secure and assume its not sketchy) so I'm not surprised that all these pro-gamers/streamers were naïve enough to get caught up in this, it happens even on Wall Street. Thirdly, Flash is not a businessman, he is a professional gamer, and like most professional gamers most of their money management is handled by their families. Flash's job as a pro-gamer is to practice for his matches and rehearse speeches thanking his sponsors after his games. This is an ideal target for these scammers. I get that some people like to enforce draconian as a preventative measure, but the legal system is designed for "punish and reform". How are we suppose to carry out the reform part when tribal community members don't even want to give people a second chance. For your first part, yes, I'm comparing apples and oranges, since they're both fruits. They have way more in common than apples and subways. Match fixing, bad.. promoting coin this way, bad. Bad is the category, not that those two are the same actual thing. I'm glad you noticed I'm comparing apples to oranges. I know a guy that was a progamer from um, 2004 to I think it was 2010 or 2011. They have way more say in the business side of things than you're trying to put off, he isn't a B team practice partner 12 year old. There's quite a few TL profiles noting players who negotiated deals and left teams because they were underused based on their contract and all different types of stuff that they had a hand in and a say in. Or, look at the LoL guys who basically run their show, and Overwatch pros as well. I don't disagree their job is to play, practice, win, and be a face. You think LeBron just knows nothing about how to sell himself? When his manager says Nike is offering him 300 bucks for a commercial he's just like, well, I'm just a player, I guess I'll just do it... Flash just knows jack shit about stream sponsors etc? He has done appearances, interviews, maybe set up by managers, but he's just dumb and doesn't know what's going on? Managers just save time and find it all, it's actually an easy job in general and many players and actors and bands represent themselves.. Just because he's a pro gamer doesn't mean he knows nothing else. I'm a pro banker and I study language on the side and speak 5 atm. I play a few sports at competitive levels. You can know more than 1 thing. Some of these guys are great chefs, athletes, my friend also was a great software bro while a pro gamer, and is now working in that field in gaming.. To your second point, sure, I don't think you're off base at all. However, you would have to believe in this scenario, that Flash is an idiot, and quite literally only knows StarCraft and literally nothing else. If you believe that, it is what it is. I can't change your mind on it nor will I try then. I however don't. I think he is at minimum an average guy, who would be able to fathom a modern world where he can search engine something in 20 seconds and find an answer before dumping 300k in something your putting forth that he knows nothing about. Like I have said, possible, but unlikely. As for a second chance, is the match fixing coming more into play here now? Is my apples to oranges comparison off target? Savior, UpMagic, Luxury, go.go, and whoever the rest are I can't remember.. should.. get a second a chance, ...like... Flash? Let's do it. I forgive Flash right now. Now bring back UpMagic. | ||
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