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jackel
Profile Joined November 2020
12 Posts
October 12 2021 19:42 GMT
#341
Terran is imba
Ikirouta
Profile Blog Joined November 2017
Finland727 Posts
October 13 2021 00:56 GMT
#342
On October 13 2021 04:42 jackel wrote:
Terran is imba


good quality post right there, im looking forward to many more like this from you.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
October 13 2021 02:34 GMT
#343
if viewers didnt do their DD and just invested then its kinda on them ngl lol

but flash also did have to disclose that he himself was invested into it, and if he didn't then thats wrong
POGGERS
jackel
Profile Joined November 2020
12 Posts
October 13 2021 09:22 GMT
#344
On October 13 2021 09:56 Ikirouta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2021 04:42 jackel wrote:
Terran is imba


good quality post right there, im looking forward to many more like this from you.


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J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
October 31 2021 15:44 GMT
#345
On October 07 2021 19:38 MinixTheNerd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2021 11:21 jaytep wrote:
On October 05 2021 15:48 MinixTheNerd wrote:
On October 05 2021 15:21 jaytep wrote:
Flash isn't new to all of this (business, monetizing himself). I'm a nobody, and I know to not do certain things on stream or to an audience.

This junk isn't new, too. Same stuff with Faze clan. They're being called out and being dropped from companies and sponsorships. Don't know if it is illegal, but it surely is trashy at best. Its a bit different, but same excuses as to them being stupid and innocent little rabbit cuties, we just didn't know!

It's odd to me when people do something, go pretty hard, then say they don't know shit about it.

I know he's got money, but to dump 300k into something you're now claiming you're just some dumb idiot, is, well, unbelievable. Possible, but unbelievable.

Last time I put a whole bunch of money into something I am naive about and claim to know nothing about, was never. I know people do dumb stuff with their money and all, and it isn't always right to compare. But, what are the chances that I generally know more than Flash, Bisu, Sea, Faze Kay, etc, about streaming? How did they all simultaneously not know, but I know...? *We* know.

Just they don't. It's just the ones to stand to gain from the pump and dump it was inevitably going to be, that don't know or understand. They're just naive to streaming morals and generic crypto knowledge that we all have now. Streaming isn't new, and crypto isn't new. Streaming rules and influencer morals isn't new and crypto scam coins aren't new.

If this isn't that bad of a thing to people, I want my favorite player reinstated. All he did was fix a couple games, I can stand for some WWE pre situated games being traded here and there. UpMagic needs to come back, just say he didn't really know what the money was for, he didn't understand, and bada bing bada boom, or whatever genies say, he's just a regular old you and me now and can't figure it all out. We should feel sorry for his lack of intelligence on the matter of how he stood to gain from a match being rigged.

Anyway, if we want to forgive dumb shit, let's all around forgive dumb shit. I want UpMagic back and I want him to be paid an 11 yr salary since the ban. He's just a naive little idiot like Flash. Just caught up in a situation that they benefited or would have benefitted from, but really didn't know. It would have been a happy accident if they made money....



You're comparing apples and oranges here and there. Firstly Match fixing and promoting crypto currency are very different things. Every pro-gamer should know match fixing is illegal, but most governments don't even have consistent laws on crypto currencies, and yes people have been investing in crypto currencies for a while, but I can guarantee you most of those investors have little or no idea how crypto currency pricing works and probably just treat them like a commodity.
Secondly, groups of friends who all happen to get caught up in the same scheme isn't uncommon, scammers know what they are doing, and often target them specifically to abuse mob mentality (as in when someone sees all their friends are also signing up, they feel more secure and assume its not sketchy) so I'm not surprised that all these pro-gamers/streamers were naïve enough to get caught up in this, it happens even on Wall Street.
Thirdly, Flash is not a businessman, he is a professional gamer, and like most professional gamers most of their money management is handled by their families. Flash's job as a pro-gamer is to practice for his matches and rehearse speeches thanking his sponsors after his games. This is an ideal target for these scammers.
I get that some people like to enforce draconian as a preventative measure, but the legal system is designed for "punish and reform". How are we suppose to carry out the reform part when tribal community members don't even want to give people a second chance.


For your first part, yes, I'm comparing apples and oranges, since they're both fruits. They have way more in common than apples and subways. Match fixing, bad.. promoting coin this way, bad. Bad is the category, not that those two are the same actual thing. I'm glad you noticed I'm comparing apples to oranges.

I know a guy that was a progamer from um, 2004 to I think it was 2010 or 2011. They have way more say in the business side of things than you're trying to put off, he isn't a B team practice partner 12 year old. There's quite a few TL profiles noting players who negotiated deals and left teams because they were underused based on their contract and all different types of stuff that they had a hand in and a say in. Or, look at the LoL guys who basically run their show, and Overwatch pros as well.

I don't disagree their job is to play, practice, win, and be a face. You think LeBron just knows nothing about how to sell himself? When his manager says Nike is offering him 300 bucks for a commercial he's just like, well, I'm just a player, I guess I'll just do it... Flash just knows jack shit about stream sponsors etc? He has done appearances, interviews, maybe set up by managers, but he's just dumb and doesn't know what's going on? Managers just save time and find it all, it's actually an easy job in general and many players and actors and bands represent themselves..

Just because he's a pro gamer doesn't mean he knows nothing else. I'm a pro banker and I study language on the side and speak 5 atm. I play a few sports at competitive levels. You can know more than 1 thing.

Some of these guys are great chefs, athletes, my friend also was a great software bro while a pro gamer, and is now working in that field in gaming..

To your second point, sure, I don't think you're off base at all. However, you would have to believe in this scenario, that Flash is an idiot, and quite literally only knows StarCraft and literally nothing else.

If you believe that, it is what it is. I can't change your mind on it nor will I try then. I however don't. I think he is at minimum an average guy, who would be able to fathom a modern world where he can search engine something in 20 seconds and find an answer before dumping 300k in something your putting forth that he knows nothing about.

Like I have said, possible, but unlikely.

As for a second chance, is the match fixing coming more into play here now? Is my apples to oranges comparison off target? Savior, UpMagic, Luxury, go.go, and whoever the rest are I can't remember.. should.. get a second a chance, ...like... Flash?

Let's do it. I forgive Flash right now. Now bring back UpMagic.




You're honestly being ridiculous. Just because you know one pro-gamer that manages his own finances (whom you can't even really seem to name, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) doesn't mean all pro-gamers do. I know for a fact most do not, and it makes sense, because unlike Overwatch or LoL, BW pros start at a very young age, its not uncommon for them to be playing professionally as young as age 15, are you really gonna tell me a 15 year old is capable of managing his finances? I would surprised if most 15 years would even have a real bank account let alone understand how the laws behind a cryptocurrency contract work.
Secondly, you're "argument" that because you're a banker and is multilingual automatically means that broodwar pros should also be able to learn university level economics/finance in their free time is plain stupid. Kespa era broodwar was notorious for having ridiculous practice hours like 16 hours per day level practice hours. It's basically a full time job and a life commitment in many ways, there is no way for them to have the time to learn much else to any significant degree during that period of time. So when a successful player like flash decides to retire from the kespa style pro-gaming with a large amount of disposable income, you can bet that he/she would invest a portion of their money into something they might not understand but may turnover high returns.
Thirdly, yes Lebron is a good at marketing himself, but a lot of athletes and public figures are not, its why they have PR managers. Celebrities use them, politicians use them, and yes KESPA teams also used them to market their players, its common practice really. You keep trying to bring up the few outliers but that's exactly what they are outliers. Hell even Conor McGregor has a PR manager.
Fourthly, have you ever read a formal contract? Like go try to take a bank loan or something and have a read, but I can guarantee you the jargon can throw off a lot of people unfamiliar with the terminology and they would likely need to clarify a few questions with the banking staff or at the very least spend some time googling. Now try to imagine some veteran scam artist maybe approaching your mum or something showing her a chart of bitcoin prices or w/e and then smooth talking her into the idea of investing while guarantee a cost free way to hedge any risks. Do you really expect a pro-gamer's mum will instantly understand the fine details or legality on a cryptocurrency contract? Maybe your mum's a genius but I can tell you even veteran investors get caught in the fine details.
I don't get why you seem so obsessed about lynching famous pro-gamers, but seriously are you even sure you know the whole story here?

Just quoting this to say... Excellent reply. Our professional banker friend apparently isn't as worldly, nor as financially savvy as he thinks.

And who says 'I'm a pro banker' anyways? As opposed to... An amateur banker? Either your a banker or you aren't - or maybe, you play one on the internet? It's not for me to say, but I have my suspicions.
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
November 02 2021 17:39 GMT
#346
It’s fascinating to see how quickly crypto has turned regular people into financial shills. Each altcoin is accompanied by a legion of dedicated “moonbro” shills, all dutifully repeating the same rhetoric over and over and over. I can’t quite explain why, but it makes me sad. It debases us. It’s the victory of greed and FOMO over dignity and self-respect. Every man becoming a walking commercial.

Thank you for providing all of this info jinjin, you’re the real MVP
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
confusedzerg
Profile Joined July 2021
Russian Federation102 Posts
November 02 2021 18:14 GMT
#347
On November 03 2021 02:39 Immaterial wrote:
It’s fascinating to see how quickly crypto has turned regular people into financial shills. Each altcoin is accompanied by a legion of dedicated “moonbro” shills, all dutifully repeating the same rhetoric over and over and over. I can’t quite explain why, but it makes me sad. It debases us. It’s the victory of greed and FOMO over dignity and self-respect. Every man becoming a walking commercial.

Thank you for providing all of this info jinjin, you’re the real MVP

i think you should keep your opinion to yourself because it's really none of your business how people decide to invest the money. flash and bisu weren't on stream saying "hey everyone buy this coin!!".

you talk about dignity and self-respect but you cook rabbit stew in a crockpot.
I am a Westerner and I like homosexuality. Thank you.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25128 Posts
November 02 2021 18:24 GMT
#348
On November 03 2021 03:14 confusedzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2021 02:39 Immaterial wrote:
It’s fascinating to see how quickly crypto has turned regular people into financial shills. Each altcoin is accompanied by a legion of dedicated “moonbro” shills, all dutifully repeating the same rhetoric over and over and over. I can’t quite explain why, but it makes me sad. It debases us. It’s the victory of greed and FOMO over dignity and self-respect. Every man becoming a walking commercial.

Thank you for providing all of this info jinjin, you’re the real MVP

i think you should keep your opinion to yourself because it's really none of your business how people decide to invest the money. flash and bisu weren't on stream saying "hey everyone buy this coin!!".

you talk about dignity and self-respect but you cook rabbit stew in a crockpot.

He’s not really wrong on much of the crypto world to be fair.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway690 Posts
November 02 2021 18:26 GMT
#349
I don’t think he’s taking about Flash and/or Bisu here, but people in general.
Also this is a forum and people are allowed to share their views on things, rabbit stew or not.
Gomas
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Poland311 Posts
November 02 2021 21:17 GMT
#350
Can someone please explain the rabbit stew thing to me?
confusedzerg
Profile Joined July 2021
Russian Federation102 Posts
November 02 2021 21:33 GMT
#351
https://tl.net/blogs/371408-food-blog-rabbit-stew-in-a-crockpot
no self respecting man makes rabbit stew in the crockpot.
I am a Westerner and I like homosexuality. Thank you.
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-03 01:58:15
November 03 2021 01:53 GMT
#352
On November 03 2021 06:33 confusedzerg wrote:
https://tl.net/blogs/371408-food-blog-rabbit-stew-in-a-crockpot
no self respecting man makes rabbit stew in the crockpot.

lmao I totally forgot about that, I was still in highschool when I wrote it iirc. Very cringe but not especially relevant to the thread. Earlier on in the thread I expressed my more detailed opinion on this situation, my last post was more of a general observation. Flash exercised poor judgement but I’m not too upset about it overall.

I think it would be delusional for anyone — including crypto enthusiasts — to deny that the crypto market has lead to a lot of sketchy (& pathological) behavior from people trying to generate hype for their coin of choice. I’m not just referring to the Flash situation, I’ve seen it both online and irl. My opinion is that it’s a disconcerting and vaguely dystopian trend, but you are by all means welcome to view it differently.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
confusedzerg
Profile Joined July 2021
Russian Federation102 Posts
November 03 2021 14:13 GMT
#353
real man cooks rabbit stew in a pot above a fire.
I am a Westerner and I like homosexuality. Thank you.
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1179 Posts
November 03 2021 15:28 GMT
#354
I want some CryptoRabbits. I think they're going to save the world and humanity. Buy CryptoRabbits NOW!
jackel
Profile Joined November 2020
12 Posts
November 04 2021 13:10 GMT
#355
How about CryptoLings?
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1422 Posts
December 10 2021 02:49 GMT
#356
Tyson said bisu may be back soon so take it with grain of salt
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-10 04:58:50
December 10 2021 04:58 GMT
#357
heat died down?
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Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3454 Posts
December 10 2021 07:21 GMT
#358
On December 10 2021 11:49 jinjin5000 wrote:
Tyson said bisu may be back soon so take it with grain of salt


Nice post 1000!
Hinting at BeeSuit's return.
Netizens can chill.
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marwin
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine109 Posts
December 10 2021 14:11 GMT
#359
Guemchi has been back recently also. Was he involved in this scandal aswell? I think it's about to choose the right moment for comeback to minimize public "roast". It might be good time to comeback for bisu right before Christmas and JD stream hype.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2701 Posts
December 10 2021 18:44 GMT
#360
On December 10 2021 23:11 marwin wrote:
Guemchi has been back recently also. Was he involved in this scandal aswell? I think it's about to choose the right moment for comeback to minimize public "roast". It might be good time to comeback for bisu right before Christmas and JD stream hype.

Yeah he was. Did an apology stream just like Sea, then carried on. No problemo.

I think best for Bisu comeback is a showmatch with no other than JD. People would be like, "wow the old rivalry is back, this is so cool, who cares about that shit coin anyway".
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