EPTSoulkey’s record shows him as probably the best ZvZ player in the ASL era
... What? SoulKey is an infamous choker in ZvZ, with a terrible record. He lost in ASTL against hero and Hyuk. I looked at ASL 8 and 9 and he went 0:4 in the matchup.
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QOGQOG
154 Posts
... What? SoulKey is an infamous choker in ZvZ, with a terrible record. He lost in ASTL against hero and Hyuk. I looked at ASL 8 and 9 and he went 0:4 in the matchup. | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4851 Posts
On October 11 2020 10:12 QOGQOG wrote: I'm not so sure about Flash advancing, but maybe I'm underestimating him. RvP is strong and he's gotten better since that TEN thing. ... What? SoulKey is an infamous choker in ZvZ, with a terrible record. He lost in ASTL against hero and Hyuk. I looked at ASL 8 and 9 and he went 0:4 in the matchup. Prior to Season 8 (right before he went off to the military), Soulkey had a win rate of 65% in ZvZ with several of his wins coming from KSL. For almost a year, he was considered the best Zerg player, and he was after effort retired—and the entire time, he kept up a really stellar ZvZ record with very well executed games. His current form is suspect, though, I agree. | ||
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QOGQOG
154 Posts
On October 11 2020 11:43 EsportsJohn wrote: Prior to Season 8 (right before he went off to the military), Soulkey had a win rate of 65% in ZvZ with several of his wins coming from KSL. For almost a year, he was considered the best Zerg player, and he was after effort retired—and the entire time, he kept up a really stellar ZvZ record with very well executed games. His current form is suspect, though, I agree. I got curious and did some Liquipedia-ing. Here are all SoulKey's offline ZvZs: ASL 1 - Did not participate ASL 2 - No ZvZ ASL 3 - 1:0 PURPOSE (I have no idea who this is) 1:0 EffOrt ASL 4 - 1:0 Jaedong 2:3 hero ASL 5 - 0:1 Action ASL 6 - 0:1 EffOrt ASL 7 - No ZvZ ASL 8 - 0:1 Action 0:2 Sacsri ASL 9 - 0:1 Soma Total ASL Score: 5 : 9 Last ZvZ victory in ASL: October 10, 2017 ASTL - 0:1 hero 0:1 Hyuk Total ASTL Score: 0 : 2 Last ZvZ victory in ASTL: N/A KSL 1 - No ZvZ KSL 2 - 3:1 Larva KSL 3 - 3:1 Action KSL 4 - Did not participate Total Score: 6 : 2 Last ZvZ victory: April 25, 2019 It's actually better than I thought. I'd forgotten about his performance in KSL. Maybe there's more hope than I'm giving him credit for. But given he hasn't won a single ZvZ for five seasons of ASL (and also, not entirely coincidentally, hasn't made it past the Ro16 in that time either) and has barely better than a 1/3 winrate, I think my incredulity at him being called "the best ZvZ player in the ASL era" is justifiable. (Just as a note, I enjoyed the writeup. I just thought that claim was... questionable) | ||
TaardadAiel
Bulgaria619 Posts
On October 11 2020 14:30 QOGQOG wrote: I got curious and did some Liquipedia-ing. Here are all SoulKey's offline ZvZs: ASL 1 - Did not participate ASL 2 - No ZvZ ASL 3 - 1:0 PURPOSE (I have no idea who this is) 1:0 EffOrt ASL 4 - 1:0 Jaedong 2:3 hero ASL 5 - 0:1 Action ASL 6 - 0:1 EffOrt ASL 7 - No ZvZ ASL 8 - 0:1 Action 0:2 Sacsri ASL 9 - 0:1 Soma Total ASL Score: 5 : 9 Last ZvZ victory in ASL: October 10, 2017 ASTL - 0:1 hero 0:1 Hyuk Total ASYL Score: 0 : 2 Last ZvZ victory in ASYL: N/A KSL 1 - No ZvZ KSL 2 - 3:1 Larva KSL 3 - 3:1 Action KSL 4 - Did not participate Total Score: 6 : 4 Last ZvZ victory: April 25, 2019 It's actually better than I thought. I'd forgotten about his performance in KSL. Maybe there's more hope than I'm giving him credit for. But given he hasn't won a single ZvZ for five seasons of ASL (and also, not entirely coincidentally, hasn't made it past the Ro16 in that time either) and has barely better than a 1/3 winrate, so I think my incredulity at him being called "the best ZvZ player in the ASL era" is justifiable. (Just as a note, I enjoyed the writeup. I just thought that claim was... questionable) You are five minutes ahead of me, I was just going to check. I had the same impression, not backed by data, that ZvZs were what was leading to his early exits more often than not. And I too forgot about the KSL, where he seemed to be doing better in general (he won season 2, after all). It seems, as usual with Soulkey, that it's a matter of choking and not general skill level. Applies to all matchups. Soulkey performing at 100% is champion material and has been since ASL3. I'll repeat myself: must be very tough to be a SK fan, his form varies so wildly. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal3625 Posts
Im excited and stressed out at the same time for what Flash will do. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2486 Posts
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AntiHack
Switzerland551 Posts
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Zeronova
8 Posts
Super surprised by how well Flash did. I shouldn’t have been a hater. Shout out to Free too. He didn't make it out but I think he still exceeded expectations For group D I agree with your assessment. Likely both Zergs get out. PvZ is hard. However, my heart says Shuttle. He is so impressive and just keeps smashing expectations. | ||
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RKC
1766 Posts
He just seems to get stuck at the group stages, for some reason. He'll show good games in BO3-B05. Really hope to see him advance through 1st place! | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4851 Posts
On October 11 2020 14:30 QOGQOG wrote: Total Score: 6 : 2 Last ZvZ victory: April 25, 2019 Just want to point out that Soulkey was also gone to the military for 6-7 months, so using this date might be somewhat of an exaggeration. It's actually better than I thought. I'd forgotten about his performance in KSL. Maybe there's more hope than I'm giving him credit for. But given he hasn't won a single ZvZ for five seasons of ASL (and also, not entirely coincidentally, hasn't made it past the Ro16 in that time either) and has barely better than a 1/3 winrate, I think my incredulity at him being called "the best ZvZ player in the ASL era" is justifiable. (Just as a note, I enjoyed the writeup. I just thought that claim was... questionable) I think he's definitely been a really bad slump ever since his KSL3 win, and he does tend to choke in offline events in general, so I agree that his chances at winning a ZvZ much less topping the group are slim and would be surprising, yet I think it makes the most sense. After doing some digging though, I agree that although Soulkey was very good with a decent ZvZ record prior to going to the military, Action seems to be the best ZvZ player in the ASL era since coming back in ASL6. Action has winning records against Jaedong, Effort (at the height of his strength), and Soulkey, so I think that makes him probably the best overall. (Funny note: Soma has a Bo3 victory over Action from last season tho). | ||
nimdil
Poland3039 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4851 Posts
On October 12 2020 05:34 nimdil wrote: I haven't watched ASL for a while. Why Flash is playing random? To easy with Terran? Too boring? Basically. | ||
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Piste
5970 Posts
On October 12 2020 05:34 nimdil wrote: I haven't watched ASL for a while. Why Flash is playing random? To easy with Terran? Too boring? In the interview he said he wanted to challenge himself and is taking the challenge seriously. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5900 Posts
"[God] does not play dice with the universe" - Albert Einstein, 1926 "Watch me" - Flash, 2020 | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal3625 Posts
On October 12 2020 06:57 Antisocialmunky wrote: "[God] does not play dice with the universe" - Albert Einstein, 1926 "Watch me" - Flash, 2020 Oh the Flash memes hero! You're back at the same level as before xD | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5900 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/4i62j8.jpg) | ||
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Sabu113
United States8525 Posts
On October 12 2020 05:34 nimdil wrote: I haven't watched ASL for a while. Why Flash is playing random? To easy with Terran? Too boring? Uh you need to watch. Badly. This Ro16 has been ridiculously good. I'm just posting here preparing to be smug when mini dances on some zerg corpses. MINI HWAITING. (though I hope Soma is good  ) | ||
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Amanebak
Czech Republic516 Posts
On October 12 2020 09:33 Antisocialmunky wrote: Haha, good job! On October 12 2020 05:34 nimdil wrote: I haven't watched ASL for a while. Why Flash is playing random? To easy with Terran? Too boring? I bumped into this video: | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8340 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3039 Posts
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