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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 17 2020 07:11 GMT
#1
since Rain is a variety streamer, can we remove him from the bw streamers list? every time he is "streaming bw" he is actually streaming some random game.
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rtomic
Profile Joined September 2015
40 Posts
September 17 2020 07:20 GMT
#2
Rain has done a lot for the BW community and is a mutliple BW/Star2 champion. There was the same discussion about wether Brittney deserves to show up. The same argument was used there, he has done a lot for the community and therefore has a always a place.

And btw, why does it bother you? just don't klick on the link?
KT FlaSh
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-17 07:43:42
September 17 2020 07:24 GMT
#3
i'm a big rain fan but the fact is he doesn't stream bw so why should he be on the bw streams.
his content is 0% bw so it should be in other games, not in bw streams. it doesn't offend me. it's just a matter of fact

and btw, i avoid that stream bc i know it's not bw
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BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1171 Posts
September 17 2020 08:25 GMT
#4
Keep on avoiding and let the others come back to his stream because of all he's done!
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-17 10:32:44
September 17 2020 10:28 GMT
#5
i meant britney's stream. but ok.

that would mean day9 should be under sc2 right?
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kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
September 17 2020 10:55 GMT
#6
Don't worry, he will come back. Everyone comes back.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
iFU.spx
Profile Joined April 2011
Russian Federation378 Posts
September 17 2020 12:30 GMT
#7
I agree with topic starter. But looks like stream sidebar here made for appreciation and hall of fame, instead of “whos currently streaming bw”.
LfunkGG
Profile Joined February 2019
78 Posts
September 17 2020 12:34 GMT
#8
also sea
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-17 13:50:43
September 17 2020 13:23 GMT
#9
On September 17 2020 19:55 kogeT wrote:
Don't worry, he will come back. Everyone comes back.

fingers crossed, baited breath

On September 17 2020 21:34 LfunkGG wrote:
also sea


On September 17 2020 21:30 iFU.spx wrote:
I agree with topic starter. But looks like stream sidebar here made for appreciation and hall of fame, instead of “whos currently streaming bw”.


i'm starting to think that is what it is meant to be.
edit: need a section for legacy streamers so foreigner players get on the list with double digits xD
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
September 17 2020 18:25 GMT
#10
Let Rain have some relief jeez. He won trophies on both games, he donated part of his liver to his father, he has problem with his wrists (look how big the bones near his arm looks, i think its called "ganglion cyst" and it's because he played so much) guy needs some rest.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 17 2020 18:35 GMT
#11
thing is i'm not hating on him at all or trying to say he doesn't 'deserve' something. this is not a knock on any player it's just for the sake of the stream list being playing bw. like i said, maybe need another tier for the legends that are not playing anymore.
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CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
580 Posts
September 17 2020 18:57 GMT
#12
sure lets get rid of nada's stream too.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 17 2020 19:06 GMT
#13
so just call the bw stream list "bw streams + koreans with fragile fans"
get rich or die mining
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9538 Posts
September 17 2020 19:37 GMT
#14
I agree with you. I would love nothing more than to have only BW streams listed in the sidebar. However, maintaining that is a pain for afreeca streams since they don't have categories (as far as I know?) that can be queried through their API, so it would have to be done manually. We actually did remove Britney once before, but then he started that BW team league so we added him back again. I'd be fine with removing both Rain and Britney again if they don't stream BW at all anymore, but that seems hard to guess and I don't want to keep changing it back and forth again.
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-17 19:38:57
September 17 2020 19:38 GMT
#15
all legends deserve to be listed imo.


also

On September 17 2020 19:55 kogeT wrote:
Everyone comes back.

ἡ τῆς Νεμέσεως τάξις
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-17 20:31:22
September 17 2020 19:49 GMT
#16
On September 18 2020 04:37 2Pacalypse- wrote:
I agree with you. I would love nothing more than to have only BW streams listed in the sidebar. However, maintaining that is a pain for afreeca streams since they don't have categories (as far as I know?) that can be queried through their API, so it would have to be done manually. We actually did remove Britney once before, but then he started that BW team league so we added him back again. I'd be fine with removing both Rain and Britney again if they don't stream BW at all anymore, but that seems hard to guess and I don't want to keep changing it back and forth again.

ok i was thinking it was more of an old boys' mentality rather than more work for ya'll. thanks for correcting me. i'll stop pushing it. i just didn't want to come off as if I were somehow saying some players weren't 'worthy' which is what the discussion has become. that's not what i wanted ! thank you!
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10720 Posts
September 17 2020 21:01 GMT
#17
Maybe he will play BW again one day, until then, maybe just don't click on his stream link.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51598 Posts
September 17 2020 21:33 GMT
#18
TL should really have an option to add/remove streams on the side but hey its TL in 2020 so you're probably never going to see it.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
September 17 2020 21:54 GMT
#19
I agree, if he's not a bw streamer anymore, he shouldn't be in the bw section. Move him to "other games" section like the others.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 17 2020 22:10 GMT
#20
i think this has run its course.. wasn't trying to hate on the legends. but when 10 more pros retire do you want the entire bw stream section to be full of variety streamers?
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skycycle
Profile Joined April 2016
Netherlands36 Posts
September 17 2020 22:52 GMT
#21
Off-topic, but how do you get your stream in the side-bar, even in the 'non-featured' drop-down section below? Are there specific requirements?
Mar Sara Separatist
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
September 18 2020 00:16 GMT
#22
On September 18 2020 07:52 skycycle wrote:
Off-topic, but how do you get your stream in the side-bar, even in the 'non-featured' drop-down section below? Are there specific requirements?


no; you just activate your stream in the settings of top left the antenna like emoticon thingy
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esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
September 18 2020 03:34 GMT
#23
Why are people acting like the OP is asking for Rain's stream to be removed from the site? I'm pretty sure he just meant to move him down to the "Other Games" section, which is more accurate for his stream.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
September 18 2020 03:54 GMT
#24
On September 18 2020 03:35 Alejandrisha wrote:
thing is i'm not hating on him at all or trying to say he doesn't 'deserve' something. this is not a knock on any player it's just for the sake of the stream list being playing bw. like i said, maybe need another tier for the legends that are not playing anymore.


I could not have less of an investment in anything to do with any part of this conversation, but I like the bolded as a solution
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chillzzz
Profile Joined August 2018
30 Posts
September 18 2020 04:13 GMT
#25
Britney should be moved to other games. He tops the viewer count in the bw stream listing but never streams it except in rare cases like the BW team league 2Pacalypse mentioned, but you could still show that in the live events section
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
September 18 2020 12:03 GMT
#26
With a extra streamer category, that little livestream-area
will show fewer names. It would get clickier and trickier to find what you seek.

A solution to this would be a small small change of the race icon that follows their name. Broodwar legends who now mainly stream other things can get a legend icon or something similar. Maybe a civilian or another neutral critter/unit. Is there a war veteran civilian unit in bw lore?(20 years, Still haven't playe the campaign).
When the mouse pointer rests on it it can show a little info on it.

If the top five streams are non-bw then change it. For now let em be part of the bw family.
Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-18 12:21:34
September 18 2020 12:21 GMT
#27
What about Sea? I don't see him featured anymore. Has TL removed him from the sidebar, or has he stopped streaming on AfreecaTV?
skycycle
Profile Joined April 2016
Netherlands36 Posts
September 18 2020 13:01 GMT
#28
On September 18 2020 09:16 pebble444 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2020 07:52 skycycle wrote:
Off-topic, but how do you get your stream in the side-bar, even in the 'non-featured' drop-down section below? Are there specific requirements?


no; you just activate your stream in the settings of top left the antenna like emoticon thingy


Cannot seem to find the settings panel you are talking about :/
Mar Sara Separatist
Kuks
Profile Joined March 2018
43 Posts
September 18 2020 13:47 GMT
#29
I am not sure how TL's Live Streams list works but it seems to be either set by the player or dynamic.

Artosis players Brood War every Mon, Tue, Wed, and Fri. On Thurs he does The Pylon Show instead. When Artosis is playing Brood War he is listed in TL's Brood War steam list. However, when he does the Pylon show he is listed in TL's Starcraft 2 steam list instead.

I am not sure if this is related, but the TL Live Streams list can change without website administration.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 18 2020 19:10 GMT
#30
On September 18 2020 22:47 Kuks wrote:
I am not sure how TL's Live Streams list works but it seems to be either set by the player or dynamic.

Artosis players Brood War every Mon, Tue, Wed, and Fri. On Thurs he does The Pylon Show instead. When Artosis is playing Brood War he is listed in TL's Brood War steam list. However, when he does the Pylon show he is listed in TL's Starcraft 2 steam list instead.

I am not sure if this is related, but the TL Live Streams list can change without website administration.

Judging from posts above, I believe it is related to twitch having API to report the game 'played'. Afreeca either does not, or it's a pita to find.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10720 Posts
September 18 2020 19:38 GMT
#31
As 2pac stated previously, the issue is more along the lines of TL having to manually update it constantly as it has to do with the API on Afreeca side of things, it is not a realistic thing to ask. It is also really not hard to not click one peoples streams that you know aren't regularly streaming StarCraft lol
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CadenZie
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)545 Posts
September 19 2020 04:55 GMT
#32
shouldnt we technically be removing bisu too if we go down this path^^
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 19 2020 05:02 GMT
#33
Honestly I’ve felt the same many times over the years. Would be nice if Afreeca had an API for this =\
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
September 19 2020 08:01 GMT
#34
the fact that they're streaming on afreeca made this a good tool because it's hard to browse that website.
thing is, people use the sidebar to batch-check on streamers and for their bw/sc2 content specifically.


maybe i'm speaking personally on this, but when i click on a bw stream these days, i expect to open a stream to them looking at pictures, food, or another game. it doesn't particularly appeal because i don't understand the language and context, and that's fine. it's a different sort of streaming culture and a different sort of expectations.
however, unless we have knowledge on each individual streamer and their tendencies, it does take some time to find someone who is actually playing the video game that we want to watch, and that's nobody's fault.

it's still a good tool because it's much better than individually following and checking each player that you may or may not be aware of and maybe sometimes you are interested in their other content.

tl;dr
supporting them individually and for their other content is of a different volition than what the streamer bar is usually used for.
only suggestion i might have is maybe bolding players who we know focuses only on BW gameplay.
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xpaperclip
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
September 19 2020 12:13 GMT
#35
I think it's doable, but in a very icky and probably very fragile, unsupported way...

Using Rain as an example:

1. Get stream live info from
http://afbbs.afreecatv.com:8080/api/video/get_bj_liveinfo.php?szBjId=ioioiobb

From that, get the broadcast number from the thumbnail link (I'm not sure if there is a shortcut that gets you this directly).

2. Get the live info by POSTing that broadcast number
bno=227092237&type=live
to https://live.afreecatv.com/afreeca/player_live_api.php

From that, get the category from $.CHANNEL.CATE and look up the mapping which can be found in the source of the normal Afreeca player page (e.g. 00040001 is BW, 00040016 is SC2).

Currently Rain's stream returns 00360046 which is apparently a game called V4.
Cruiser0929
Profile Joined December 2019
516 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-01 05:57:45
October 01 2020 05:55 GMT
#36
In the opinion of the Koreans, Rain and Britney will no longer play StarCraft.
They're mostly just playing StarCraft for a short while as some sort of event match on the stream.
He said he would like to do content other than StarCraft for his future, and although it is very difficult to explain, he was greatly disappointed by StarCraft fans. Similarly, he was absent from ASTL and ASL.
I don't think Rain will return to StarCraft.
tooth45
Profile Joined October 2020
1 Post
October 01 2020 08:06 GMT
#37
--- Nuked ---
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1714 Posts
October 01 2020 13:10 GMT
#38
I agree if he is not streaming bw he should be on the list.
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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
October 01 2020 13:28 GMT
#39
TL's stream list could do with a hall of fame. Rain is just as legendary of a monster at SC2.
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kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
October 01 2020 13:29 GMT
#40
And he streamed BW yesterday
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
October 01 2020 14:17 GMT
#41
On October 01 2020 14:55 Cruiser0929 wrote:
He said he would like to do content other than StarCraft for his future, and although it is very difficult to explain, he was greatly disappointed by StarCraft fans.

Woah, had not heard about this, is it that bad?
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MinixTheNerd
Profile Joined July 2019
200 Posts
October 01 2020 16:45 GMT
#42
a bit off Topic, but does anyone know why Rain decided to stop playing Broodwar? It seemed like he was in great form and obviously he doesn't have to do military service because he donated an organ. It just seems like a weird time to quit when he literally is on the rise.
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1712 Posts
October 02 2020 00:33 GMT
#43
Rain was my favorite player by far

He was clearly the 2nd best player in the world

Cant believe he just quit, what a fucking waste
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SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
October 02 2020 01:19 GMT
#44
On October 02 2020 01:45 MinixTheNerd wrote:
a bit off Topic, but does anyone know why Rain decided to stop playing Broodwar? It seemed like he was in great form and obviously he doesn't have to do military service because he donated an organ. It just seems like a weird time to quit when he literally is on the rise.

I think he stated that he is having wrist issues.

That being said, I spotted him playing BW with some girls the last time I peeked to his stream.
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Cruiser0929
Profile Joined December 2019
516 Posts
October 04 2020 08:48 GMT
#45
He's telling his fans that he's now contemplating a StarCraft return on his stream. Maybe his return is possible
Szinkler
Profile Joined July 2018
Hungary394 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-04 09:02:36
October 04 2020 09:02 GMT
#46
He is currently playing SC on his stream, against Flash. I really hope he comes back!
Maybe all he needed was this thread.
Aeternum
Profile Joined July 2015
Latvia35 Posts
October 04 2020 09:38 GMT
#47
+ Show Spoiler +
Flash zvp too stronk
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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-04 10:21:34
October 04 2020 09:57 GMT
#48
He is now (at the time of this post) playing BW on his stream. Games against Royal (Sorry)

The way he handles macro PvT battles is so pure. This guy is such a talent.
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway764 Posts
October 04 2020 14:55 GMT
#49
Yeah his macro is good but he often just 1a2a3a4a tons of units into the terran army and hopes for the best.
Not always the best descision making. I'm more impressed by his reavers in PvZ, and his PvP is very good.
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
October 04 2020 19:00 GMT
#50
On October 04 2020 17:48 Cruiser0929 wrote:
He's telling his fans that he's now contemplating a StarCraft return on his stream. Maybe his return is possible


OMG
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
October 05 2020 14:55 GMT
#51
On October 04 2020 23:55 Timebon3s wrote:
Yeah his macro is good but he often just 1a2a3a4a tons of units into the terran army and hopes for the best.
Not always the best descision making. I'm more impressed by his reavers in PvZ, and his PvP is very good.

Isn't Rain generally a pretty by-the-books player who tends to skew stubborn instead of ingenious? I remember when he lost to Larva in what many thought was an upset at the time, he just kept suiciding units into Larva's hyper-defensive style. Sounds like your description of his PvT as well, unnecessarily straight up in a lot of ways.
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BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1171 Posts
October 05 2020 16:03 GMT
#52
On October 05 2020 23:55 yubo56 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2020 23:55 Timebon3s wrote:
Yeah his macro is good but he often just 1a2a3a4a tons of units into the terran army and hopes for the best.
Not always the best descision making. I'm more impressed by his reavers in PvZ, and his PvP is very good.

Isn't Rain generally a pretty by-the-books player who tends to skew stubborn instead of ingenious? I remember when he lost to Larva in what many thought was an upset at the time, he just kept suiciding units into Larva's hyper-defensive style. Sounds like your description of his PvT as well, unnecessarily straight up in a lot of ways.


Depends on the POV.
On the other side, Larva sniped all the observers very precisely and didn't allow any kind of harassment.
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MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
October 05 2020 17:15 GMT
#53
I vote to remove as well..
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MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
October 05 2020 17:17 GMT
#54
ZeuS doesnt play bw either, remove him too <3
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Samsakzerg
Profile Joined October 2019
61 Posts
October 05 2020 22:20 GMT
#55
Rain has been playing bw more and more, for hours yesterday with some other pros, vsing each other in turns and observing.

Even Horang2 tuned in, and i think took part as a player.

Calm plays 80% of the time.

Sea plays occasionally too, also Zeus, Pusan, Midas etc.

Guemchi and Britany almost never plays bw though.



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