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onlystar
United States971 Posts
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
He'll be back. I have no inside knowledge. I just don't think he's done yet. Call it a gut feeling. And when he does come back, I think you'd have to be a fool to pick any other Protoss over him in a BoX. His army movement is un-bee-lieveeeeeeeeeeee-able! | ||
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Miragee
8617 Posts
On August 23 2020 17:36 ggsimida wrote: prearmy bisu would have crushed current sorry before he starts donating to the salvation army Well, he just made it by smashing (judging by the last bit of the second match) some protoss. | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
I think we just have to disagree then. From all the current protosses I still see Bisu being more solid player compared to Snow, Best or Mini. I have stated this before and by numbers maps like neo Sylphid, Optimizer and Polypoid are truly bad for pvz and pvt. And finally players who Bisu usually plays against spongames are higher "tier" comparing to that of Sorry or Beast. For sure you have tougher time getting to top 5 if you play constantly proleague or B.o. against Light, Flash, Zero or Soulkey compared if you match against Sacsri, Free or Rush. | ||
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Miragee
8617 Posts
Yoon is still playing on stream (down 0-1)? | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3123 Posts
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On August 23 2020 18:48 whaski wrote: Rain is too busy playing pokemon and mmos with girls... I think we just have to disagree then. From all the current protosses I still see Bisu being more solid player compared to Snow, Best or Mini. I have stated this before and by numbers maps like neo Sylphid, Optimizer and Polypoid are truly bad for pvz and pvt. And finally players who Bisu usually plays against spongames are higher "tier" comparing to that of Sorry or Beast. For sure you have tougher time getting to top 5 if you play constantly proleague or B.o. against Light, Flash, Zero or Soulkey compared if you match against Sacsri, Free or Rush. Do you have any numbers to back this up? sOrry has been a top tier Terran for a while now. As Scarlett said earlier, he's the 3rd-best Terran. There's only one tier higher than him: Flash/Light. Sounds like you're underrating sOrry. His skill reminds me of Bogus' skill back in the day. Both are/were quite underrated for whatever reason. I don't know why you're acting like he's on the level of Sacsri or Rush. You're creating a false equivalency re Flash/Light/Zero vs Sacsri/Free/Rush. So you're trying to imply Bisu only plays elite players and sOrry plays Tier 3 or worse players? Do you have the stats to back that up? Do spongbang results account for quality of competition? | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On August 24 2020 03:49 KamMoye wrote: Do you have any numbers to back this up? sOrry has been a top tier Terran for a while now. As Scarlett said earlier, he's the 3rd-best Terran. There's only one tier higher than him: Flash/Light. Sounds like you're underrating sOrry. His skill reminds me of Bogus' skill back in the day. Both are/were quite underrated for whatever reason. I don't know why you're acting like he's on the level of Sacsri or Rush. You're creating a false equivalency re Flash/Light/Zero vs Sacsri/Free/Rush. So you're trying to imply Bisu only plays elite players and sOrry plays Tier 3 or worse players? Do you have the stats to back that up? Do spongbang results account for quality of competition? Well, just to share some additional info for your debate, sOrry had a performance to be sorry for in the last "official" tournament, i.e., ASTL. 0-3 (2 vP lost against Mini and Snow and 1 vZ against Miso of all people) | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On August 24 2020 02:02 NoS-Craig wrote: The TLPD button is using his sc2 race not his BW race. Wait that is the actual Leta? The captain still plays SC? Niceee  | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
On August 24 2020 03:49 KamMoye wrote: Do you have any numbers to back this up? sOrry has been a top tier Terran for a while now. As Scarlett said earlier, he's the 3rd-best Terran. There's only one tier higher than him: Flash/Light. Sounds like you're underrating sOrry. His skill reminds me of Bogus' skill back in the day. Both are/were quite underrated for whatever reason. I don't know why you're acting like he's on the level of Sacsri or Rush. You're creating a false equivalency re Flash/Light/Zero vs Sacsri/Free/Rush. So you're trying to imply Bisu only plays elite players and sOrry plays Tier 3 or worse players? Do you have the stats to back that up? Do spongbang results account for quality of competition? No, I am trying to remember july entries, sponbbang is still down. Im not trying to paint Sorry as elofarmer but during that time he played a lot against Sacsri, Free and Rush. I like Sorrys style a lot and agree on that he is at the moment third best terran. However same can be said about Rush and even Ssak if we look Afreeca team battle or Kcm drafts. Ssak and Rush were drafted well before Sorry. Also if we look back on july I remember Sorry having something like 1200 elo, while Rush, Ssak and Piano had 1990 or similar. Bisu was well beyond that with 1240. I concede the point of Bisus pvt, it seems that after military he has been just as lost in it, even more than in Asl 4 series against Flash... | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
0-3 in astl "top tier terran" "third best terran" | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On August 24 2020 09:06 ggsimida wrote: crashed out of asl9 ro24 0-3 in astl "top tier terran" "third best terran" If you don't understand sample size and statistics, you really should just stop it with the disingenuous posting. You're telling on yourself. How old are you, man? Have you ever taken a college-level statistics class? I mean, do you want to put your money where your mouth is? I do. $10 per set? It doesn't have to be a lot. Even $5. The point is, how much do you really believe what you're saying? Or are you just talking out the side of your mouth? If it's the latter, well, go to the play room. Let the adults talk. On August 24 2020 05:47 whaski wrote: No, I am trying to remember july entries, sponbbang is still down. Im not trying to paint Sorry as elofarmer but during that time he played a lot against Sacsri, Free and Rush. I like Sorrys style a lot and agree on that he is at the moment third best terran. However same can be said about Rush and even Ssak if we look Afreeca team battle or Kcm drafts. Ssak and Rush were drafted well before Sorry. Also if we look back on july I remember Sorry having something like 1200 elo, while Rush, Ssak and Piano had 1990 or similar. Bisu was well beyond that with 1240. I concede the point of Bisus pvt, it seems that after military he has been just as lost in it, even more than in Asl 4 series against Flash... KCM, sure. I watch every match of KCM. I think it's right up there with ASL in importance, especially since the Winner stays. I'll go through the last two years of results later. The ASL Team League? Umm... don't make me laugh. That shit was a joke. Okay, to be fair: who did he play? The record isn't the end-all be-all. If you went 3-0 beating Free, Shuttle and Huro, that's not as good as going 2-1 versus Soulkey, Sharp and Soma. Even 1-2 vs the latter three is probably equivalent, or close to, 3-0 vs the former group, you know what I'm saying? I don't know spongbang results, so I apologize if you feel i was asking "gotcha" questions. I wasn't. I genuinely don't keep up at all with those. I don't know how they're formulated. I would assume they account for quality of competition, but I don't know. I would be willing to blindly bet money sOrry's results over Rush or sSak in ASL/KCM the past two to two and a half years. I really do think that's how long it takes to build a decent competitive sample size in Brood War. To anyone who doesn't realize: a 55% win rate against competiton is elite. Go look at the past BW pros, back when there were ELO ranks all the time. There were what, 8-12 players with a 55% overall win rate? I don't think the average BW viewer is realizing: this game is hard. Everyone is mad good. If you are winning 60 out of 100 games vs a certain player, you are dominating that player. *That means four out of ten times they will beat you.* You can't credibly use evidence of losing one game to Miso with a straight face. Now, I don't know the maps like that. If it's like, this map has 50 or 75 ZvT games on it, and the T wins 65% of the time, *and* the players playing on that map are approximately equal in skill... you see what I'm saying? We have to think scientifically. This process-over-results line of analytical thinking is why, by the way, I think sOrry is so good. He plays an extremely solid, sustainable solid. It's not gimmicky. It scales well against all opponents. It's why he reminds me of Bogus, who also played a similar rock-solid strategy. It's why I suspect he's better than Sharp, because Sharp's style is more high-variance and doesn't scale as well vs all opponents, all races. | ||
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
That's just my opinion from watching them a lot over the years. They always seem like they should be a little better than they are. I feel like Rush has more potential than sSak. I'd be quite curious to see all three of Rush, sSak and sOrry's results over the past 3 years in KCM/ASL/spongbang. Intuitively, I feel like Rush and sSak are mincemeat against the top 10 or so players, while sOrry can actually respectably compete. | ||
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
Also if you look at things like the castermuse starleague, Both Rush and Ssak have done better than him. | ||
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ggsimida
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
He's basically a build order robot. He got a lot of hype because he went biomech a few times, but that turned out to be a mediocre build anyway. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3123 Posts
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