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Bisu should qualify tomorrow. He's made the finals of his group twice so far. I'd be amazed if he doesn't advance tomorrow.
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NoS-Craig
Australia3089 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Bisu should qualify tomorrow. He's made the finals of his group twice so far. I'd be amazed if he doesn't advance tomorrow. | ||
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martoto088
32 Posts
Scarllet said she'll play, but cannot see her. I'm missing also Sharp and Larva | ||
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llllllllllIIIIIlllll
Korea (North)26 Posts
On August 22 2020 22:03 martoto088 wrote: Is Flash auto qualifiled cuz he finish 3rd last ASL? yes top4 of previous season is get a quote in next one | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On August 22 2020 16:31 KamMoye wrote: Who was the top seed for Group 1? + Show Spoiler + He lost in the first round! I think that's Pusan | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On August 22 2020 18:57 ggsimida wrote: asl8 i believe ZerO choke in all the qualifier days. bisu goona follow suit lol? Not sure if he's choking. He's losing to good players who are executing well. This isn't 2010 Bisu. He's nowhere near an elite Brood War player anymore. (Meaning anywhere near top-5.) Let's give his opponents more credit. | ||
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ggsimida
1124 Posts
On August 23 2020 00:30 KamMoye wrote: Not sure if he's choking. He's losing to good players who are executing well. This isn't 2010 Bisu. He's nowhere near an elite Brood War player anymore. (Meaning anywhere near top-5.) Let's give his opponents more credit. bisu is still currently a top10ish sponbbang player. in the games against sorry bisu was matching him pretty well until he decide to donate units for free through dubious recalls and the like. so yeah i think choke is still a apt verb for it | ||
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sntct
100 Posts
On August 23 2020 00:30 KamMoye wrote: Not sure if he's choking. He's losing to good players who are executing well. This isn't 2010 Bisu. He's nowhere near an elite Brood War player anymore. (Meaning anywhere near top-5.) Let's give his opponents more credit. What's the names of the players is he losing to? | ||
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whaski
Finland576 Posts
On August 23 2020 02:19 sntct wrote: What's the names of the players is he losing to? Well he lost to Sorry, but Bisu has always been a bit weak in long tvps.. Beast is definetly improved as a player. However if we look resultwise in Asl Bisu was in ro8. The same cannot be said about Sorry or Beast. Sponmatch results put Bisu at least in top 10 close to top 5 in elo rate over 1200, while Sorry jaa barely hit that and beast was under 1100 when I last looked. If anything Bisu should have won against both of these guys, must be cracking under pressure. Also I still think maps play their part here. | ||
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sntct
100 Posts
On August 23 2020 03:42 whaski wrote: Well he lost to Sorry, but Bisu has always been a bit weak in long tvps.. Beast is definetly improved as a player. However if we look resultwise in Asl Bisu was in ro8. The same cannot be said about Sorry or Beast. Sponmatch results put Bisu at least in top 10 close to top 5 in elo rate over 1200, while Sorry jaa barely hit that and beast was under 1100 when I last looked. If anything Bisu should have won against both of these guys, must be cracking under pressure. Also I still think maps play their part here. Do you have a link or timestamp to the Bisu series so I can watch them? | ||
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martoto088
32 Posts
On August 23 2020 04:16 sntct wrote: Do you have a link or timestamp to the Bisu series so I can watch them? There are on Flash and Bisu's YT channels | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On August 23 2020 00:56 ggsimida wrote: bisu is still currently a top10ish sponbbang player. in the games against sorry bisu was matching him pretty well until he decide to donate units for free through dubious recalls and the like. so yeah i think choke is still a apt verb for it Players Bisu is a massive underdog against in a BoX series: - Light - Flash - ZerO - Soulkey - Rain - Action Players Bisu is probably an underdog against in a BoX series: - Best - herO - Mini - Soma - Larva - Sharp - sOrry - SnOw (edited in) I'd say all those players I mentioned are, at this time, 52% or better favorites v Bisu right now. (Yes, I say this aware that he beat Best and sOrry in the last ASL.) Even if you disagree, what do you think Bisu is vs beast or sOrry in a Bo3? 55% favorite at best? Does he have spongbang results with a decent sample size (let's say 30 games) on any of the players in the above list with a >55% win rate? Brood War is a swingy game. It's not unreasonable to lose four consecutive games against two players you're basically a coin-flip against. How is that choking? It's sheer statistical chance. This isn't Bisu losing to some scrubs. And if you look at the quality of the games... Bisu got straight-up outplayed. Game 1, he even intuited Beast was going for an aggressive Muta opening--he made a cannon in his main before the first Mutas even hit. He simply got out-micro'd and made a lot of poor decisions under pressure. He was too greedy, made too many probes, and got punished. Even after the Mutas first entered his main, Bisu was still making probes. If you look at the probe count, Bisu was at 40+ probes! Vs a 2-hatch muta build! That's not greedy? (Which is the whole point of beast's build--put the opponent under massive pressure.) Game 2? Well, Game 1 beast was super aggressive. You *have* to be aware of the possibility he may do it again. Do you really think beast wants to play a standard macro game in Bisu's best matchup? After he won Game 1? Probably not. It's not really all that complicated of game theory. And the same thing happened--beast puts on a ton of pressure, Bisu gets out-micro'd and makes poor decisions. He deserved to lose. Vs Sorry, well, anyone who watches Bisu a lot knows he's not very good in long macro games vs Terran. Anyone who watches sOrry a lot knows he's quite good in long macro games. Not a shocker. I don't see how losing two macro games is choking. I say this as Bisu's biggest fan. (Why do you think I care so much?) Bisu's been my favorite player since Day 1. But I'm not here to suck anyone's dick. I'm here to support great StarCraft. If Bisu isn't good enough, he isn't good enough. Right now he's not good enough. If he loses again Day 3, well, it's pretty embarrassing. But embarrassing isn't anything new for Bisu fans. Let's be real. He shits the bed a lot of times under pressure. How many times has he lost to Shine now? Remember when he got flat-out embarrassed by herO in the ASL or whatever Finals a couple of years ago? (I do, because I stayed up for it. It was a laughing stock.) | ||
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ggsimida
1124 Posts
On August 23 2020 05:36 KamMoye wrote: Players Bisu is a massive underdog against in a BoX series: - Rain hahaha whaski also proved my point, also beast is a top 25ish sponbbang player last i checked. yes improved but hes not yet a soma (and never will from what i seen no offence to the player) and a known quality that bisu, a top 10ish player, is supposed to beat very handily. top10 losing to top25 is not a literal choke? clever play?? top10 sponbbang and ro8 last season but "not good enough" lmao. yes im not giving excuses for bisu, that why i said he choked. | ||
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Scarlett`
China2371 Posts
On August 23 2020 03:42 whaski wrote: Well he lost to Sorry, but Bisu has always been a bit weak in long tvps.. Beast is definetly improved as a player. However if we look resultwise in Asl Bisu was in ro8. The same cannot be said about Sorry or Beast. Sponmatch results put Bisu at least in top 10 close to top 5 in elo rate over 1200, while Sorry jaa barely hit that and beast was under 1100 when I last looked. If anything Bisu should have won against both of these guys, must be cracking under pressure. Also I still think maps play their part here. sorry has been higher rated than bisu recently on sponbbang;; 3rd terran after flash/light | ||
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ggsimida
1124 Posts
On August 23 2020 11:00 Scarlett` wrote: sorry has been higher rated than bisu recently on sponbbang;; 3rd terran after flash/light they both around top10 if i recall. also among the protosses bisu is still top2 (behind snow) afaik | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On August 23 2020 09:17 ggsimida wrote: hahaha whaski also proved my point, also beast is a top 25ish sponbbang player last i checked. yes improved but hes not yet a soma (and never will from what i seen no offence to the player) and a known quality that bisu, a top 10ish player, is supposed to beat very handily. top10 losing to top25 is not a literal choke? clever play?? top10 sponbbang and ro8 last season but "not good enough" lmao. yes im not giving excuses for bisu, that why i said he choked. You are not demonstrating an ability to think or analyze critically, so feel free to have the last word. I forgot Snow as another player who I would mark as a favorite against Bisu in a BoX. | ||
thedeadhaji
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QOGQOG
817 Posts
On August 23 2020 14:42 thedeadhaji wrote: I haven’t been a diligent follower of the scene lately, but I thought Rain had a nearly unbeatable BoX PvP as recently as 2019? Rain's no longer competing. | ||
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Belladona
Chile127 Posts
Greetings, kind regards to every1  | ||
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Miragee
8428 Posts
On August 23 2020 00:56 ggsimida wrote: bisu is still currently a top10ish sponbbang player. in the games against sorry bisu was matching him pretty well until he decide to donate units for free through dubious recalls and the like. so yeah i think choke is still a apt verb for it That's Bisu's PvT style though: Play very solid macro in early and mid game and either be at least even or pull far ahead, then, in late game, donate units until he has to gg. //Who is playing right now on stream? Is this a final round? I'm not impressed... | ||
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ggsimida
1124 Posts
On August 23 2020 17:09 Miragee wrote: That's Bisu's PvT style though: Play very solid macro in early and mid game and either be at least even or pull far ahead, then, in late game, donate units until he has to gg. //Who is playing right now on stream? Is this a final round? I'm not impressed... prearmy bisu would have crushed current sorry before he starts donating to the salvation army | ||
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