One of the characteristics of the “greatest of all time” or champions is that they can sense when they have a tiny advantage and make decisive action to exploit the advantage and completely destroy the opponent off that 1 tiny edge.
Here Flash beats Rush’s first 2 marines 2-0 with superior micro and then the game is over from a couple minutes in, since Flash knows he has an advantage and rallies units until he wins.
Flash is up like 10 supply when they are at 35 supply!!!
This is greatness and also why BW is such a beautiful game, it is so brutal that tiny edges like this can become winning in the hands of the right player.
It was so mind boggling since Rush is supposed to be up there with the best of the best in terms of Terran play, and Flash makes him look like an Easy AI. Doesn't make for a good highlight but damn is it impressive.
On July 31 2020 23:34 outscar wrote: Look at supply of FlaSh at 6ish minutes at end - it's fucking twice of Rushs! Only in 6 mins! How the fuck he does that?
excellent mechanics + superior decision making with units
On July 31 2020 21:52 pheer wrote: If you were disappointed with that... there's a beefy TvT at 47:56 (Light vs Sharp)
That one you should really watch if you dig some constant action mid-game into late-game nail-biter TvT.
edit: Don't want to ruin the excitement for anyone but, I don't think that the game in the OP is the best example for BW's or Flash's greatness because it happens too easily too early (not saying that you can't see greatness in the early-game per se). Just shows that Flash has great marine micro, and that Rush messed up at one or two points (he just has to pull an SCV to stall for his second marine...). More impressive is Flash's oversight to land the barracks in the choke later.
Winning this very common early marine-fight would set the stage for such a steamroll for most good Terrans, not really deep shit going on here, not sniffing out some "tiny edge" imo. Flash doesn't really have to brilliantly "sense" anything here, the blood is in the water to smell for anyone who watched a few early-game TvTs. Early losses hurt much more than later ones, so naturally Flash will have a big supply advantage quickly.
If Flash macroed up a supply advantage of 10 out of thin air until the 7-8 minute mark with almost equal builds, that I'd find much more impressive (he does it all the time though).
Wow... I believe Rush delayed a marine to build the commander center faster. Flash saw this and went for an attack with a very brief marine advantage and turned it into a win. Incredible.
Flash's micro at his own choke when Rush comes in with 2 vultures is also amazing. I believe Flash starts repairing his vulture when the grenade that would kill it is already in the air flying toward it.
On August 01 2020 03:20 Djabanete wrote: Flash's micro at his own choke when Rush comes in with 2 vultures is also amazing. I believe Flash starts repairing his vulture when the grenade that would kill it is already in the air flying toward it.
Yeah that’s a good point that was also ridiculous. I thought for sure that vulture was dead. Pretty sure Flash still would have won from there as soon as he got to 4 fact vulture production but that just made it an even bigger beat down.
Goddamn Flash... have some mercy on this poor kid.
This shows the beauty of BW to me, how such a large difference in skill can exist at the top levels and be exhibited in such a clear manner, without worrying about discussions about imbalances.
Thanks for the link JWD! I'm looking forward to more recommended games as I'm getting old and I don't have time to watch every game out there anymore
On July 31 2020 21:41 Akio wrote: It was so mind boggling since Rush is supposed to be up there with the best of the best in terms of Terran play, and Flash makes him look like an Easy AI. Doesn't make for a good highlight but damn is it impressive.
I think it can definitely be edited with the right storytelling to make it a good highlight. It helps that many of us here are already impressed by it
I checked game carefully. It was not about flash is great, but Rush played bad.
Rush's decision making got him into disaster at opening. Here's what it looked like in-depth: 1. Both players run scvs for scout at the same time. 2. Rush found his opp first (at this point Flash is scared of early rax, because scouting path of Rush's scv was unusual) 3. Rush started to disturb Flash's CC. 4. Considering (2) and (3) Flash forced to make second depot before CC and making standard 2 rines. 5. Flash's scouting scv reach center and sees no ealry all in threats 6. Flash's scv reach Rush's position and sees CC with NO rines. (i believe i know Flash's thought: "what a greediness!") 7. Considering (4) and (6) Flash decides to continue produce rines and throw all units into attack.
Strategically this game was straight forward but I would say that Flash's early game micro was pretty amazing. This reminded me more of a ZvZ than a TvT.
I checked game carefully. It was not about flash is great, but Rush played bad.
Rush's decision making got him into disaster at opening. Here's what it looked like in-depth: 1. Both players run scvs for scout at the same time. 2. Rush found his opp first (at this point Flash is scared of early rax, because scouting path of Rush's scv was unusual) 3. Rush started to disturb Flash's CC. 4. Considering (2) and (3) Flash forced to make second depot before CC and making standard 2 rines. 5. Flash's scouting scv reach center and sees no ealry all in threats 6. Flash's scv reach Rush's position and sees CC with NO rines. (i believe i know Flash's thought: "what a greediness!") 7. Considering (4) and (6) Flash decides to continue produce rines and throw all units into attack.
This lead Rush into huge opening failure.
Agreed, but can we give credit to Flash? Lets say Rush played the same way he did against Light perhaps, i can guarantee you Rush will survive and cruise to the mid game.
On August 02 2020 00:10 .gypsy wrote: A case study in shitposting.
What do you mean? The people saying it wasn't a cool game because Flash played TOO well and was TOO good? Or that Rush, who is like one of the top 0.01% players of this game, played BAD? lol
For me, I could never get even close to the level of micro or perfect execution of what Flash is doing in this game, being a D/E level player, so I can only watch and admire.
On August 02 2020 00:10 .gypsy wrote: A case study in shitposting.
What do you mean? The people saying it wasn't a cool game because Flash played TOO well and was TOO good? Or that Rush, who is like one of the top 0.01% players of this game, played BAD? lol
For me, I could never get even close to the level of micro or perfect execution of what Flash is doing in this game, being a D/E level player, so I can only watch and admire.
this match is pretty close to the same as getting scholar checkmate in chess.
On August 02 2020 00:10 .gypsy wrote: A case study in shitposting.
What do you mean? The people saying it wasn't a cool game because Flash played TOO well and was TOO good? Or that Rush, who is like one of the top 0.01% players of this game, played BAD? lol
For me, I could never get even close to the level of micro or perfect execution of what Flash is doing in this game, being a D/E level player, so I can only watch and admire.
this match is pretty close to the same as getting scholar checkmate in chess.
yes, but the best chess player would not scholars mate a top 0.01% chess player, and that is what makes this TvT between Flash and Rush so great. Do you comprehend?
BW has a completely different volatility than chess, you cannot compare it in this way. All the "greedy opening vs rush"-scenarios in BW are incredibly close calls, unlike in the "builds" they use in high caliber chess.
About this thread in general: Everyone can enjoy BW the way they want but you shouldn't advertise this as an awesome game when it's not, apart from some neat marine micro by Flash (and that barracks-landing, how come I'm the only one pointing that one out...). It's fancy or surprising, but no "display of greatness".
People bringing the 0.01% argument for Rush: You're measured differently if you're at the top, the standards for talking about good and bad play change. If Roger Federer would miss an easy shot, you'd say that was bad, even if he's among the top 0.0001% of Tennis players. Otherwise every game of Rush and every other progamer would be super awesome because their general skill level is much higher (???).
Flash showed great micro, as usual, but Rush just messed up too many things (check spx's post on page 1) to say that this was "brilliant display" by Flash or "tiny advantage seen and relentless onslaught".
There's clearly a skill gap between Flash and Rush. Not the game of ages.
But it's still a neat watch ow how ruthless and relentless Flash can be. Just grinding every single advantage. Going for the kill, instead of sitting back and macroing up.
The highlight in the game for me was the last push. Rush lost out in a desperate push with 2 vultures at Flash's expo. What does he do immediately? Pull 3-4 SCVs in wait for Flash's counter-attack. I'm pretty sure Rush would not have done so against any other Terran. Rush smartly knew that Flash would be brutal enough to go for the kill - but in the end, it still didn't matter. This shows how Flash is just on another level - even his opponents know, and need to prepare differently against him.
On August 02 2020 00:10 .gypsy wrote: A case study in shitposting.
What do you mean? The people saying it wasn't a cool game because Flash played TOO well and was TOO good? Or that Rush, who is like one of the top 0.01% players of this game, played BAD? lol
For me, I could never get even close to the level of micro or perfect execution of what Flash is doing in this game, being a D/E level player, so I can only watch and admire.
this match is pretty close to the same as getting scholar checkmate in chess.
yes, but the best chess player would not scholars mate a top 0.01% chess player, and that is what makes this TvT between Flash and Rush so great. Do you comprehend?
I think that's their point. Rush made rookie mistakes.
On August 02 2020 00:10 .gypsy wrote: A case study in shitposting.
What do you mean? The people saying it wasn't a cool game because Flash played TOO well and was TOO good? Or that Rush, who is like one of the top 0.01% players of this game, played BAD? lol
For me, I could never get even close to the level of micro or perfect execution of what Flash is doing in this game, being a D/E level player, so I can only watch and admire.
this match is pretty close to the same as getting scholar checkmate in chess.
yes, but the best chess player would not scholars mate a top 0.01% chess player, and that is what makes this TvT between Flash and Rush so great. Do you comprehend?
May be i used bad analogy, sorry.
I’ll try another using go: Rush started to play joseki, which he didn’t study well, but flash did.
Btw, i dont wanna argue about greatness of this match, coz its very subjective topic. Just telling my view of the game.