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On October 07 2019 18:53 razorsuKe wrote:I am submitting this map on behalf of TossGo (TkTkVrooM) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/tPSS1Wp.jpg) 1) Shadow Valley 2) TkTkVrooM 3) 4 4) 128x128 5) Jungle 6) 46 seconds 7) Features: - Valleys leading to the natural can be used to hide unit movement and buildings. You only have vision into the valleys if you have a unit in there or a flying unit above. (This area is buildable) - 2 island expansions - Game play will develop very differently depending on spawn locations. >> If you spawn top left or bottom right you have easier ground access to two 3rd base locations. >> If you spawn top right or bottom left, you have a natural 3rd and closer access to the island expansion.
Can we have the map download link?
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On October 07 2019 20:13 1030xxx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2019 18:53 razorsuKe wrote:I am submitting this map on behalf of TossGo (TkTkVrooM) 1) Shadow Valley 2) TkTkVrooM 3) 4 4) 128x128 5) Jungle 6) 46 seconds 7) Features: - Valleys leading to the natural can be used to hide unit movement and buildings. You only have vision into the valleys if you have a unit in there or a flying unit above. (This area is buildable) - 2 island expansions - Game play will develop very differently depending on spawn locations. >> If you spawn top left or bottom right you have easier ground access to two 3rd base locations. >> If you spawn top right or bottom left, you have a natural 3rd and closer access to the island expansion. Can we have the map download link?
Yes, sorry
http://www.panschk.de/mappage/maps/(4)Shadow Valleys(n).scm
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On October 06 2019 22:44 bovienchien wrote:I like this map. How about you? (3)White Dragons Valley + Show Spoiler +
Looks really interesting, but the paths are quite narrow. It's a cool concept for a semi island map. The rush distances are a little short at least until you destroy the assimilator. I think because Terran can close off his base fairly early, then just build up mech really efficiently, then knock down the temples and slow push toward enemy main... It looks difficult against Terran. But every map ever produced people think is Terran favoured unless there is a huge open middle. Same for Protoss vs Zerg, Protoss can close off early, really efficiently make a strong army, then walk toward Zerg base after reopening his main.
This is just based off a rule of thumb about narrow paths favouring certain matchups. I don't know how it would play of course. Maybe if Terran or Protoss close off their base too early, Zerg and Protoss can just freely expand / tech to carriers / tech to the weird muta guardian style. I like your map, I would enjoy seeing it played a high level.
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Don't really like horizontal spawns in Tk's map, seems very linear. I think I would like to see games played in vertical or cross spawns. PvT might be hard because of the narrowness of everything. I don't see why he didn't give some of the unused space to the mains and make them bigger, they look like they are on the smaller side. Symmetry probably could be improved, too.
edit: the starting locations should probably be pushed all the way to the corners and flipped mineral lines to have them face the edges of the map.
Wonder if Tk is around and what he thinks of the submission XD
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There is also a rule that prohibits submitting maps you haven't made yourself.
That being said, White Dragons Valley has been sitting on the "maps to be remade" list on BWMN for a ling time now, some one should properly adopt it.
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On October 08 2019 06:49 JungleTerrain wrote:
Don't really like horizontal spawns in Tk's map, seems very linear. I think I would like to see games played in vertical or cross spawns. PvT might be hard because of the narrowness of everything. I don't see why he didn't give some of the unused space to the mains and make them bigger, they look like they are on the smaller side. Symmetry probably could be improved, too.
edit: the starting locations should probably be pushed all the way to the corners and flipped mineral lines to have them face the edges of the map.
Wonder if Tk is around and what he thinks of the submission XD
On October 08 2019 07:42 Freakling wrote:
There is also a rule that prohibits submitting maps you haven't made yourself.
That being said, White Dragons Valley has been sitting on the "maps to be remade" list on BWMN for a ling time now, some one should properly adopt it.
He told me specifically to post it, I let him read what I wrote including the description before posting.
I also wrote in the email to the Judge that I am only acting as his communicator, if his submission is successful all acknowledgements/prizes will go to him and not to me.
He also seems open to making changes, he likes feedback and suggestions.
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Why doesn't he just do it himself lol
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I like these maps:
(2)Code Of Honor
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Ya1lgsk.jpg)
(2)SpiderMonkey
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/L4P5n3D.jpg)
(2)Stupid Mind
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/yqpe0xz.jpg)
(4)Lucid Dream
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/RnYYuWD.jpg)
(4)RazorsEdge
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/P17GQOC.jpg)
From: here
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^ Spider Monkey & Lucid Dream look cool, but I'm afraid that they would be hella imbalance in pro play..
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^ If they are imbalance. That's why we have many maps in a tournament.
Actually It's hard to say imbalance from maps, except island maps.
For example: Block Chain was considered a map that Terran can't win in TvZ and TvP. After ASL season 7 and 8, the fact doesn't show it.
Block Chain in ASL 7:
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/b3x95t2.png)
 Block Chain
Block Chain SE in ASL 8:
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/030CpRp.png)
Block Chain SE
Another one from Sparkle, a map that Zerg can't win in ZvT and ZvP
Sparkle in ASL 5:
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ImMFb6l.png)
Sparkle
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^ I agree with you at Shizi. But I still prefer Lucid Dream than the others. So It's so harder to play ^^!
p/s when I picked these maps. I didn't know who was author completely.
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I have a new version for Circuit Breakers map
Black is space
We have 4 island bases (12, 3, 6, 9 o'clock) + 12 land bases. Total is 16 bases.
Concept:
If 2 players are in 1 and 11 o'lock or 5 and 7 o'clock. This match is normal.
But they are in cross of the map. This match is so hard to play, maybe it becomes air war or marco war.
You move less, you have to think more!
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/5zLCbcc.png)
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On October 10 2019 23:05 bovienchien wrote:I have a new version for Circuit Breakers map Black is space We have 4 island bases (12, 3, 6, 9 o'clock) + 12 land bases. Total is 16 bases. Concept: If 2 players are in 1 and 11 o'lock or 5 and 7 o'clock. This match is normal. But they are in cross of the map. This match is so hard to play, maybe it becomes air war or marco war. You move less, you have to think more!
Are you waiting for someone else to make a map based on your concepts or what?
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On October 10 2019 23:05 bovienchien wrote:I have a new version for Circuit Breakers map Black is space We have 4 island bases (12, 3, 6, 9 o'clock) + 12 land bases. Total is 16 bases. Concept: If 2 players are in 1 and 11 o'lock or 5 and 7 o'clock. This match is normal. But they are in cross of the map. This match is so hard to play, maybe it becomes air war or marco war. You move less, you have to think more! + Show Spoiler +
In StarCraft there is always a dynamic of one race expands more than the other, the other is slower and has to turtle more. If you create a map with one narrow path, all you do is make splitting the map very easy, which favours the race that is normally supposed to be one base behind in an even game.
This issue was present on good old Gaia, and that map even had a wider middle than what you are proposing.
Good maps generally have a few different paths which allow for flanking or counter attack maneuvers, because there is also usually a dynamic of one race having a stronger but less maneuverable army. So one obvious choke point makes it easy for them to prevent flanking and just slow push toward the enemy. The whole dynamic of Hitchhiker was one that played on this problem, but gave some opportunities for taking the battle to other parts of the map.
Hitchhiker
Gaia
I think if you are interested in generating map ideas, you should have a look through TLPD to see what's been done over the ages. Lots of crazy things have been tried, although anything before 2005 is probably going to be such a different meta the balance stats will tell you nothing. Really anything before 2007 when Bisu showed Protoss how to play is going to be invalid for PvZ stats.
One thing you will have to understand though is that there's a good reason maps gravitate toward a certain shape, so you have to be thoughtful when you try to subvert that shape if you want to do something interesting. I used to like trying to create maps where I thought I would have no idea how to play them, because I thought you can't say anything about balance if the map doesn't conform to any meta. But at the same time, there's simple mistakes like one narrow path that make a map unplayable in a very boring way, because it's obvious how to abuse it. Not to harp too much on this particular issue, but it's one of a couple of things people first try, and the best way to find out it doesn't work is to play some games on it yourself with a friend.
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^ Thank you so much. You explained for me! I thought gosus will have way to take their games. Athough it's hard to do.
Are you waiting for someone else to make a map based on your concepts or what?
Yes, I hope so. I can't make map so I know it's not simple to do. When I was a child, I usually make map to play with computer by myself.
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** had a post asking for help adding observers, but I've got it figured out! **
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I love these maps:
(2)Giza Strip II
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/PUSFZop.jpg)
(4)Crystal Cavern 0.004
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/HK93jNR.jpg)
(4)Greedy Line
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/gEM2CHS.jpg)
From here
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Holy balls, I knew map making was hard but seriously its real hard.
I've loved how SC is shaped and changed by its in game geography and this competition has made me appreciate all the detail and work that goes in map making.
I worked hard on my entry and I still had so much I could have improved.
To any prospective entrants: Submission ends TODAY. I reckon you have about 7 hours to get your email in by 5pm KST.
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Finally submitted 10 maps…
I hate map contests. Pulled an all-nighter again just to compile the map pack according to the demanded specifications @_@
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