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jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1422 Posts
September 26 2019 02:47 GMT
#1
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
September 26 2019 03:24 GMT
#2
thanks for the translation
the foot thing is extremely unprofessional but also pretty much the best. it sucks cuz i like lx a lot but it's nice to have some spiciness in a 20-year-old game
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-26 05:09:30
September 26 2019 05:08 GMT
#3
everyone already kinda known about his unprofessionalism even back then. i think a couple of years ago before this zotac incident the chinese invited larva and a few other streamers (i think zero, piano as well) to stream in longzhu. not only did larva streamed on longzhu the least, larva is also the only one that didnt bother to interact with the chinese audience beyond a simple hi. never been invited beyond a couple of the earliest sino v korean games, since he always has a rude and dismissive attitude to the organizers and participants which attracts the ire of the chinese audience.

also i think the foreign scene has their own wondrous experience with him, when they try to invite him for that russian lan i presume?

at least by now thanks to korean audience pressure+being a parent has made him more mature and mellowed...somewhat
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
September 26 2019 08:41 GMT
#4
Larva the most hilarious person in BW history.. Hands down.
-.-
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6175 Posts
September 26 2019 10:11 GMT
#5
It was hilarious.
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-26 11:46:50
September 26 2019 11:45 GMT
#6
"It was a 10k showmatch so I was trying pretty hard." -Larva as he is playing with his foot (~2:20 in video)

LOL
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1166 Posts
September 26 2019 11:57 GMT
#7
Can someone point me to the pornhub video in the VOD? :D
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4193 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-26 12:16:35
September 26 2019 12:15 GMT
#8
On September 26 2019 14:08 ggsimida wrote:
everyone already kinda known about his unprofessionalism even back then. i think a couple of years ago before this zotac incident the chinese invited larva and a few other streamers (i think zero, piano as well) to stream in longzhu. not only did larva streamed on longzhu the least, larva is also the only one that didnt bother to interact with the chinese audience beyond a simple hi. never been invited beyond a couple of the earliest sino v korean games, since he always has a rude and dismissive attitude to the organizers and participants which attracts the ire of the chinese audience.

also i think the foreign scene has their own wondrous experience with him, when they try to invite him for that russian lan i presume?

at least by now thanks to korean audience pressure+being a parent has made him more mature and mellowed...somewhat

yeah..

Never liked this dude. Bad vibes coming from him (childish/prickish). that ZOTAC and Russian LAN bs just made me dislike him even more

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riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-26 12:57:33
September 26 2019 12:51 GMT
#9
ahahaha XD

There's no such thing as bad publicity (look at Kanye West), and being a dick is a fast way to become popular on the internet, so from a business standpoint it was probably a smart decision doing what he did. Sure, he might be banned from participating in future tournaments and locked out of its winnings, but he's made many more times that from his fans alone so it was overall a net gain.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-26 13:02:17
September 26 2019 12:59 GMT
#10
On September 26 2019 21:51 riotjune wrote:
ahahaha XD

There's no such thing as bad publicity (look at Kanye West), and being a dick is a fast way to become popular on the internet,


"being a dick to non koreans is a fast way to become popular on the internet, "

got to be careful who you be a dick to tho :D

@jinjin hey has there been any vids of pros talking about 9153 lately? translation of that would be nice
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-26 23:53:15
September 26 2019 13:11 GMT
#11
Maybe it was Korea getting back at China for trying to claim Goguryeo as their own.
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1183 Posts
September 26 2019 14:15 GMT
#12
those stats on pornhub though.
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
September 26 2019 15:19 GMT
#13
Well, he didn't call himself the McGregor of SCR for nothing
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
September 26 2019 17:20 GMT
#14
Hahaha Mann I didn't know he did other shit like crossing his hands and lying down too hahaha. It's ugly and unprofessional in a way, but it also goes to show the beauty of the game where such a large skill gap exists between the good players and even better players.

It also appears that he did it for "career advancement", and it worked out for him.

Dat pornhub video xD

On September 26 2019 20:45 SuGo wrote:
"It was a 10k showmatch so I was trying pretty hard." -Larva as he is playing with his foot (~2:20 in video)

LOL

Exactly what I was thinking hahaha
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JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria408 Posts
September 26 2019 17:34 GMT
#15
I really think Larva's behavior is utterly repulsive, shameful and disgraceful. He acted like a buffoon,imo. It's sad in a way that some people have found it enjoyable to watch.
If I ever start finding unbecoming manners appealing and not the BW gameplay itself, I will surely know the time has come for me to quit the game altogether.
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9500 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-26 21:10:46
September 26 2019 21:05 GMT
#16
LOL this was such a great "incident".

There were two camps that formed after it, those who saw it as offensive/unprofessional and those who found it hilarious. And the best thing about the whole thing is that they were both right.

Though hearing the Larva's perspective now, it's obvious he didn't mean any offense by it, so it's even easier to just laugh about it.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 26 2019 21:25 GMT
#17
Funny incident indeed. Thanks for sharing!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
522 Posts
September 26 2019 21:34 GMT
#18
the best part was all the chinese netizens invading teamliquid demanding larva resign in shame for dishonoring china, south korea, and boxer
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Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1407 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-26 23:52:48
September 26 2019 23:42 GMT
#19
I think Larva just belongs to that category of people to whom it would be unfair to judge them by your standard rules for public behavior, like you wouldn't do to a (good) comedian. He's like a mixture of clown and daredevil, and overall much more undisguised than most people who try hard to not offend or stick to safe-zones.

You should not pin your opinion of him on that one indicent. He has shown great humor, in the sense of not taking himself too seriously, innumerable times. To me he almost seems to be void of any vanity.

If you think he's a bad person or too freakish to be tolerated, compare him to Terror first...
oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2933 Posts
September 28 2019 03:08 GMT
#20
The man’s a complete asshole but BW really could use more assholes.
Fuck KeSPA.
crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1180 Posts
September 28 2019 16:47 GMT
#21
I never understood why this was frowned upon by casters. It's really impressive to be able to hit keys semi-accurately with your feet. I'm impressed.

I remember the first time I saw this video, I sent it to many friends who do not play Starcraft, and all were like damn that's insane, and then asked me a bunch of question on the game he was playing, so I guess that brought marginal attention to an old game. That's awesome. Way to go Larva.

People love complaining I guess.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-28 18:42:48
September 28 2019 18:21 GMT
#22
I remember a significant portion of TL being super up in arms about this. Personally, I was laughing my ass off, but I've never been too offended by BM/taunting/showmanship in real life sports or in video games. Just imagine being so much better than your opponent that you can win by playing with your foot hahaha. I do hope Legend is doing okay -- it must've been really hard for him when he realized just how big the gap in skill was. To this day I still don't know why he got so offended, he was calling everybody else noobs or whatever before the event, so he was definitely also trolling around a fair bit.
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Therapist.
Profile Joined January 2009
United States207 Posts
September 30 2019 02:20 GMT
#23
I thought it was hilarious. Greatest pro-gaming moment.

Glad he's still laughing about it. I still am. People need to loosen up. If the dude can beat you with his feet, so be it.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 02 2019 12:17 GMT
#24
Hahahaha, this was amazing.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25177 Posts
October 02 2019 18:52 GMT
#25
Did he practice these showboating moves at all? Even if you’re in the ascendancy I can’t imagine you playing with your foot at any degree without at least trying it out.

I’ll occasionally showboat vs a friend of equal skill and play left handed, although this frequently backfires. Generally more as a handicap against someone considerably worse than me, I did need to practice a fair bit to not be utterly terrible southpaw.

I think the funniest aspect is that he’s fucking around while his face is still super serious and intense looking.
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Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1407 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-02 19:48:19
October 02 2019 19:44 GMT
#26
Not like he played whole games like this.

If you're a pro at what you do and you're one level (or more rather) above your opponents then it should be easy to find some downtime to fool around, especially if you're already ahead.

Foot control doesn't even seem that incredible in this case because the mousehand gives you a lot of flexibility - he seems to have one lissome toe though which he used to press a specific key.
The left-handed play - or rather play with interchanged hands, or something - seems more impressive tbh, quite the on-the-fly coordination skills needed if he didn't practice this.
elluel
Profile Joined October 2019
62 Posts
October 04 2019 05:37 GMT
#27
Seriously, no offence to anyone here...

But for 2 years I've been looking for the zotac broadcast vods...

I have been unsuccessful, mainly to try and make a tribute video for incontrol and the community from the amazing and laughter filled event.

If anyone has it, please contact me. It would be god send.

Thank you everyone.
stanliv
Profile Joined October 2019
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-09 12:01:29
October 08 2019 13:45 GMT
#28
--- Nuked ---
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
October 20 2019 17:23 GMT
#29
I miss the old days of eSports, when people would throw toilet paper at each other...
Nowadays playing with your feet is considered the most bm thing you can do. I love Larva, BW needs more people like him.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10671 Posts
October 20 2019 18:24 GMT
#30
LOL on Pornhub! That is hilarious, Larva is wild haha
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CrymeaTerran
Profile Joined May 2017
149 Posts
December 31 2019 09:48 GMT
#31
On September 28 2019 12:08 oshibori_probe wrote:
The man’s a complete asshole but BW really could use more assholes.


If I would be super correct like u, I would take my gun and u know the end of the story, cause that's what u think everyday. How can other ppl be so unpolite im so super political correct, I can't take it anymore I, I, I can't be on this planet any longer whit so damn unpolite people. Jesus, if larva just 10x better its not his fucking problem, deal with the skill or don't come to the shit shomatch, disrespect in your ass, I disrespect u for your very tight butthole,

User was warned for this post.
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Incomplete..ReV
Profile Joined August 2017
Norway633 Posts
December 31 2019 12:25 GMT
#32
Sad that people are so easily offended. It was hella good entertainment! :-D
It's ok. I still love you <3
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway690 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-01 00:01:53
January 01 2020 00:01 GMT
#33
On December 31 2019 18:48 CrymeaTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 12:08 oshibori_probe wrote:
The man’s a complete asshole but BW really could use more assholes.


If I would be super correct like u, I would take my gun and u know the end of the story, cause that's what u think everyday. How can other ppl be so unpolite im so super political correct, I can't take it anymore I, I, I can't be on this planet any longer whit so damn unpolite people. Jesus, if larva just 10x better its not his fucking problem, deal with the skill or don't come to the shit shomatch, disrespect in your ass, I disrespect u for your very tight butthole,

User was warned for this post.

What the hell? Do you agree or disagree with the person you quoted? I don’t understand anything about this post.
CadenZie
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)545 Posts
January 01 2020 00:40 GMT
#34
i made hot chocolate
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway690 Posts
January 01 2020 16:57 GMT
#35
can I have sum?
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
January 01 2020 18:46 GMT
#36
This thread is randomly betting BUMPed for no reason. No matter what you think, Larva and iNcontroL were heroes of that event...
sunbeams are never made like me...
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10153 Posts
January 01 2020 21:42 GMT
#37
On September 28 2019 12:08 oshibori_probe wrote:
The man’s a complete asshole but BW really could use more assholes.

This exactly. Sc2 was so fun to follow and hilarious with all the Deezer/CombatEX/Destiny/Incontrol drama that existed at the beginning of WoL. Those were the fun days where you WANTED to tune in to a stream and see what kind of drama would happen and all the shit talk and grudge matches that were playing out. Yeah, was it like a soap opera? Sure. But there was personality in the game that made it enjoyable to follow. Now, we need these titans of the game to carry viewership like Serral having to have an unbelievable breakout year and first foreigner to challenge Koreans for people to want to follow. Numbers went back down again this year.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 02 2020 09:30 GMT
#38
On January 02 2020 06:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 12:08 oshibori_probe wrote:
The man’s a complete asshole but BW really could use more assholes.

This exactly. Sc2 was so fun to follow and hilarious with all the Deezer/CombatEX/Destiny/Incontrol drama that existed at the beginning of WoL. Those were the fun days where you WANTED to tune in to a stream and see what kind of drama would happen and all the shit talk and grudge matches that were playing out. Yeah, was it like a soap opera? Sure. But there was personality in the game that made it enjoyable to follow. Now, we need these titans of the game to carry viewership like Serral having to have an unbelievable breakout year and first foreigner to challenge Koreans for people to want to follow. Numbers went back down again this year.

Ah yes, the key to SC2's success were Deezer and CombatRX
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Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway690 Posts
January 02 2020 10:56 GMT
#39
Do you disagree?
Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland560 Posts
January 02 2020 16:45 GMT
#40
There was also a theory that Zotac decided to not host any additional tournaments in SC:R because of Larva's disrespectful behaviour towards chineese player.
So while the event got more recognition thanks to Larva's behaviour, we cannot be certain of its drawbacks.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
January 02 2020 17:16 GMT
#41
On January 03 2020 01:45 Bonyth wrote:
There was also a theory that Zotac decided to not host any additional tournaments in SC:R because of Larva's disrespectful behaviour towards chineese player.
So while the event got more recognition thanks to Larva's behaviour, we cannot be certain of its drawbacks.


True. The while thing a had a backstory too. As far as i understood it, the chinese [players and fans] were overconfident/boasting before the event. And Larva is certainly troll enough to really rub it in [that the skill gap is a lot greater than the chinese community would like it to be].

On the other hand, it's a bit weird to be upset about it. I inagine every good foreigner and chinese gosu is actually aware that a progamer like larva can troll you like this?
Ofc its not exactly good sportsmanship to display it like this. Then again its not a sound idea to invite larva and expect anythubg but onesided matches.

If every viewer who understands the game a bit can see how onesided the matches are, then where is the bug difference in makin it visible?
Broodwar for life!
HerbMon
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States460 Posts
January 02 2020 18:23 GMT
#42
On September 26 2019 17:41 MeSaber wrote:
Larva the most hilarious person in BW history.. Hands down.

Wrong.... www.youtube.com
How we will win in the period ahead.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
January 02 2020 18:39 GMT
#43
On January 03 2020 03:23 HerbMon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2019 17:41 MeSaber wrote:
Larva the most hilarious person in BW history.. Hands down.

Wrong.... www.youtube.com


Hilarious, Crazy, Loud. Which of those, or al of those is the question. :D
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10153 Posts
January 03 2020 07:17 GMT
#44
On January 02 2020 18:30 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2020 06:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
On September 28 2019 12:08 oshibori_probe wrote:
The man’s a complete asshole but BW really could use more assholes.

This exactly. Sc2 was so fun to follow and hilarious with all the Deezer/CombatEX/Destiny/Incontrol drama that existed at the beginning of WoL. Those were the fun days where you WANTED to tune in to a stream and see what kind of drama would happen and all the shit talk and grudge matches that were playing out. Yeah, was it like a soap opera? Sure. But there was personality in the game that made it enjoyable to follow. Now, we need these titans of the game to carry viewership like Serral having to have an unbelievable breakout year and first foreigner to challenge Koreans for people to want to follow. Numbers went back down again this year.

Ah yes, the key to SC2's success were Deezer and CombatRX

It wasn't the key, but it was a really fun way to keep the community engaged and active. You WANTED to tune into destiny's stream to see if there would be some hilarious stream sniping or the next meme clip. We watch for the fun interesting personalities. Personalities are GOOD for the scene.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-03 07:40:56
January 03 2020 07:40 GMT
#45
On January 03 2020 16:17 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2020 18:30 Ej_ wrote:
On January 02 2020 06:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
On September 28 2019 12:08 oshibori_probe wrote:
The man’s a complete asshole but BW really could use more assholes.

This exactly. Sc2 was so fun to follow and hilarious with all the Deezer/CombatEX/Destiny/Incontrol drama that existed at the beginning of WoL. Those were the fun days where you WANTED to tune in to a stream and see what kind of drama would happen and all the shit talk and grudge matches that were playing out. Yeah, was it like a soap opera? Sure. But there was personality in the game that made it enjoyable to follow. Now, we need these titans of the game to carry viewership like Serral having to have an unbelievable breakout year and first foreigner to challenge Koreans for people to want to follow. Numbers went back down again this year.

Ah yes, the key to SC2's success were Deezer and CombatRX

It wasn't the key, but it was a really fun way to keep the community engaged and active. You WANTED to tune into destiny's stream to see if there would be some hilarious stream sniping or the next meme clip. We watch for the fun interesting personalities. Personalities are GOOD for the scene.

Jesus. It is hard for me to stomach that people would be drawn to a video game, because of fucking Destiny out of all people streaming it, but to each their own I guess.
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