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New Zealand hasn't had an active national team for over a year as far as I know. The last showing that I know of was in the ASEAN league. If I'm wrong, and there is currently an active team, then apologies to them (and can I join please  ).
Assuming that there is no team as yet, I'd really like to start one. I know several active players from New Zealand, and we're all pretty eager to play some friendly nation wars, or even try to enter a nation league of some sort. We're by no means great players, but we all love the game and want to improve (and have fun in the process, of course ;D).
The reasons for my post here are threefold. Firstly, to ensure that I'm not treading on anybody's toes. I really don't want to go register an "official" NZ team, only to find that we already have one.
Secondly, to advertise my intentions to any Kiwis on TL.net who'd be interested in joining. Essentially, we suck ass and we want YOU
Thirdly, to ask advice from anyone with experience in this area. Where would I go to register the team as NZ's official BW team, and what kind of criteria would we have to meet to be successful? Can you put us in contact with any national teams who'd be willing to play us on a friendly basis?
Some of these questions may not make sense, as I don't really have a clear picture of national BW teams in general, but I'd appreciate any help I can get
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can I immigrate to NZ since I probably have no chance of making the AUS team? 
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
fonger... give up...
we tried and failed.. many times..
we simply do not have the skill base/player base
we recently lost our one strong player because he felt that NZ wasn't paying well wnough, goodlove (our resident gosu korean) scarcely plays anymore, rookie is terrible pvz and pvp, sky is inactive, im inactive even, gag[sharky] is inactive, eunji is around i guess.. last i heard he was on seige; but he was flawed- in his conduct at the very least
all our traditional sources of strength have gone, trust me..
we dont have the strength/numbers to have a national team
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aww you forgot me.
i work now so im dead tired at night too >>
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We have a New Zealand Starcraft forum at www.teamaus.org . Though it is inactive, you can find the contacts of some of the NZ players there.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On May 14 2007 03:27 R_I wrote:
aww you forgot me.
i work now so im dead tired at night too >> lol yea sorry, im tired as fuck right now
i got one of the brothers though!!
and, like everyone else, your inactive too =[
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I love you fonger~~~
you're so great for wanting to start an NZ team.
...I'm being corrupted by poker so I've stopped improving at SC but I'd still join the team :D.
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I think this is a fitting place to ask the following question: Does Denmark have an active national team? I know there's at least a few good and active players out there. Namely Avi-Love, Pythonas and Dahli.
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i suggest to look at wgtour wether there is a team or not - and if not register it there. most of the nationwars are played via wgt
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There is no New Zealand team on WGTour.
Born-to-porn: Denmark is inactive.
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someone tell sweden and belgium to get active again
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I would totally be with you fonger, we'd be x.1 reppin' NZ, but... I live in the wrong region of the world
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Sweden is active?
Except for TreK whos gaying and DaZe whos studying ...
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hey, if we can have a national team you can have it.
we just have 50 players active in the community, and all noobs like me or working and studying at the same time, like me too :p
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ive a solution: let's make a commonwealth team
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United States5262 Posts
Tell FrozenArbiter to become active again. I miss that guy.
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On May 14 2007 11:20 jkillashark wrote:
Tell FrozenArbiter to become active again. I miss that guy.
hmm sorry if im mistaken but isnt this for NZ national team and that fools from sweden?
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You can't miss him anyways? 
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On May 14 2007 11:20 jkillashark wrote:
Tell FrozenArbiter to become active again. I miss that guy.
He's extremely active.
In poker.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On May 14 2007 11:20 jkillashark wrote:
Tell FrozenArbiter to become active again. I miss that guy.
oh yeahs..shit.. haven't seen him post in ages ㅠㅠ
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id like to tryout if this ever gets started
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On May 14 2007 03:16 Plexa wrote:
fonger... give up...
we tried and failed.. many times..
You having failed many times is no reason for me not to even try 
we simply do not have the skill base/player base
Player base is a concern; skill base is not.
we recently lost our one strong player because he felt that NZ wasn't paying well wnough,
Could you be more specific? Is that ears or skyglow?
goodlove (our resident gosu korean) scarcely plays anymore, rookie is terrible pvz and pvp, sky is inactive, im inactive even, gag[sharky] is inactive, eunji is around i guess.. last i heard he was on seige; but he was flawed- in his conduct at the very least
I'm interested in starting a New Zealand team, not a gosu-Koreans-who-happen-to-live-here team. The skill level of Kiwi players doesn't concern me. Their interest, activity and commitment does. You give me a list of apparently decent players who don't play any more, but I have a list of active, enthusiastic players who'd love to give this their best shot.
all our traditional sources of strength have gone, trust me..
we dont have the strength/numbers to have a national team
We'll see.
On May 14 2007 03:59 Freezer_au wrote:We have a New Zealand Starcraft forum at www.teamaus.org . Though it is inactive, you can find the contacts of some of the NZ players there.
Thanks
On May 14 2007 08:04 nemY wrote:
I would totally be with you fonger, we'd be x.1 reppin' NZ, but... I live in the wrong region of the world
Time to migrate!
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On May 14 2007 11:55 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2007 11:20 jkillashark wrote:
Tell FrozenArbiter to become active again. I miss that guy. oh yeahs..shit.. haven't seen him post in ages ㅠㅠ He posted today in the eurovision thread.
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hold on a sec lemme just pack my shit, drop my courses 2 weeks b4 skool's out and drive out thar in my Landrover
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Osaka27149 Posts
Fonger I have been to new zealand once, doesn't that qualify me?... Im from Canada, so we are both part of the commonwealth... I've never made love to a sheep but I've thought about it a lot...
Can I join?
Actually the idea of a commonwealth team is a pretty good one. There are isolated pockets of players from the UK, Australia, NZ, and other spots. Alone it is difficult, maybe together they can thrive.
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A commonwealth team would pretty much be Canada + Midian.
Is eRas still active? He's from NZ and quite good!
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On May 14 2007 17:13 Manifesto7 wrote:
Fonger I have been to new zealand once, doesn't that qualify me?... Im from Canada, so we are both part of the commonwealth... I've never made love to a sheep but I've thought about it a lot...
Can I join?
Fine, but you have to bring Testie with you.
Actually the idea of a commonwealth team is a pretty good one. There are isolated pockets of players from the UK, Australia, NZ, and other spots. Alone it is difficult, maybe together they can thrive.
Sounds cool :D However, Australia already has national A and B teams, and many of their players are considerably better than anyone we can field. I don't know much about the UK scene, but Midian can try out for the team if he's lucky.
On May 14 2007 17:40 RowdierBob wrote:
A commonwealth team would pretty much be Canada + Midian.
Is eRas still active? He's from NZ and quite good!
eRaS still plays, and yeah he's probably the best Kiwi player at this point I sounded him out about the idea yesterday, and he was less than enthusiastic, considering the number of times it has been tried and failed ;p
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LoL.. nice reference to the sheep shagging Mani.
Good luck with the team... you're gonna need it. If past experience with team Aus is anything to go by you will need dedicated players with a THURST for bw. That's how players like Bren, Lastscv (tung) and du5t made it into the team, developed and then owned.
I remember Bren used to smack Testie around during the time that Testie was on the fringe of becoming one of the best foreign players.
But ye... you're totalluy right... you don't need ppl who are "skilled". You just need people with dedication and will to play bw and get better.
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thedeadhaji
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I thought I saw a "Jinro" ID in nationwars... (him being FA)
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I've been inactive because of exams, and essentially I can't be much more active than maybe a couple games every weekend after my exams (which will be over in about 2 weeks time). If you set up nation wars or just matches then I could probably make it to most of them if they were on the weekends. I suspect that now I am extremely noob having not played in a long time. It would be nice if we managed to get a group of active players together to play some matches, and I would certainly participate in that. I think if we organise ourselves and make sure all our players are informed etc by using the teamaus forums then we could sustain a large enough number of active players. I think the main problem with the past attempts is that the group of NZ players aren't in touch enough, so theres not enough communication and the group just falls apart and we go our separate ways. I read TL everyday, but just less than before and I don't post, so yeah.
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We should declare TL an e-nation and make our own team >_>
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Well NZ ... visit wgtour.com , there are several requirements for starting up a national team (minimum # of members, proof of citizenship... etc) , but it's not too difficult.
Also, as long as you will be actively playing nation wars and such, there should be no problem at all... it's always nice to see new nations organizing and little bw communities growing. It's stuff like this that keeps this game alive and kicking.
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On May 14 2007 22:22 XCetron wrote:
We should declare TL an e-nation and make our own team >_>
word
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I played this Fonger guy today on West, he gave me a nice game. If there are a couple more players around his skill level they could be a competitive nation.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On May 14 2007 14:02 fonger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2007 03:16 Plexa wrote:
fonger... give up...
we tried and failed.. many times.. You having failed many times is no reason for me not to even try
Goodluck, i doubt there will be any exceptional circumstances (which we had) which would propel interest
Player base is a concern; skill base is not.
skill base is also a concern; i doubt there a (m)any B-teams we could beat
Show nested quote +we recently lost our one strong player because he felt that NZ wasn't paying well wnough, Could you be more specific? Is that ears or skyglow?
Show nested quote +goodlove (our resident gosu korean) scarcely plays anymore, rookie is terrible pvz and pvp, sky is inactive, im inactive even, gag[sharky] is inactive, eunji is around i guess.. last i heard he was on seige; but he was flawed- in his conduct at the very least I'm interested in starting a New Zealand team, not a gosu-Koreans-who-happen-to-live-here team. The skill level of Kiwi players doesn't concern me. Their interest, activity and commitment does. You give me a list of apparently decent players who don't play any more, but I have a list of active, enthusiastic players who'd love to give this their best shot.
the latter two being semi-active at times
In observing the last team, there were real commitment issues.
eRaS did not particpate
Goodlove did not participate
eun_ji did not participate
Lang was unrealiable, he showed up and was a force but never showed for games
GAG is a one trick pony
Rookie was a one trick pony
Sky was a one trick pony (didnt see his tvt though)
R_I's forte was tvp, but tvz/tvt were decent
fortissimo moved to italy
beaut has commitment issues because he plays at work (internet cafe)
Nexies was almost impossible to track down
80% of the people in NZL-1 are ums
5% BGH
10% FPM
5% Low-moeny
Show nested quote +all our traditional sources of strength have gone, trust me..
we dont have the strength/numbers to have a national team We'll see.
didcated players around this time are scarce at best
I suggest if you are really serious about this that you assemble 5 reliable players (lol goodluck) and get some games going; in ASEAN we won 1 set (thanks RI!!), dont over estimate our skills, we are very much a weak nation. Goodluck regardless
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Osaka27149 Posts
Hey Plexa way to be a total cock to a guy wanting to try again. Perhaps the reason NZ has a tough time is that attitude?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On May 15 2007 03:01 Manifesto7 wrote:
Hey Plexa way to be a total cock to a guy wanting to try again. Perhaps the reason NZ has a tough time is that attitude? I dont wanna get fonger's hopes up thats all!!
me and sky went into this with hugeeee aspirations and dreams
and we fell flat on our faces (almost literally)
fonger has these dreams, and good on him for having them! but if he goes into this the same way we did, then he'll end up disappointed like we did
that being said fonger, ill lend you a hand in anyway i can; i want to believe this can work... but as eras said- its been tried and failed so many times before...
if you are really serious; ask yourself this question; what make this time any different? why will it work this time? come back with some solid responses and you can make this work
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On May 15 2007 02:54 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2007 14:02 fonger wrote:On May 14 2007 03:16 Plexa wrote:
fonger... give up...
we tried and failed.. many times.. You having failed many times is no reason for me not to even try Goodluck, i doubt there will be any exceptional circumstances (which we had) which would propel interest
I don't require exceptional circumstances to make this happen. All I need is a bunch of players who are interested and committed (several of whom I already have). You're overestimating the relevance of your own experience.
To find a dedicated group of full-time nz gamers is bloody hard,
skill base is also a concern; i doubt there a (m)any B-teams we could beat
Do I need to repeat myself? Skill base is not a concern. I don't give a shit how many B teams we can't beat; I only care that we have the opportunity to play them.
Show nested quote +we recently lost our one strong player because he felt that NZ wasn't paying well wnough, Could you be more specific? Is that ears or skyglow? if you think about it the answer is obvious...
Your comments to date would seem to indicate that you have no interest in providing any kind of constructive criticism, but I'd ask that you at least have the fucking courtesy to make yourself clear to someone who doesn't have your wealth of experience to draw on. Apparently there's some glaring difference in skill between eras and skyglow that I'm not aware of; care to enlighten me?
Show nested quote +goodlove (our resident gosu korean) scarcely plays anymore, rookie is terrible pvz and pvp, sky is inactive, im inactive even, gag[sharky] is inactive, eunji is around i guess.. last i heard he was on seige; but he was flawed- in his conduct at the very least I'm interested in starting a New Zealand team, not a gosu-Koreans-who-happen-to-live-here team. The skill level of Kiwi players doesn't concern me. Their interest, activity and commitment does. You give me a list of apparently decent players who don't play any more, but I have a list of active, enthusiastic players who'd love to give this their best shot. So because a korean lives in NZ, with NZ citizenship it makes them not-applicable for the team?
Where did I say that, and what right would I have to say it? My comment was intended to convey the idea that I'm looking for commitment and enthusiasm rather than pure skill.
Goodlove, rookie, beautifulgame are 3 koreans with decentish skill and im sure there are more...
the latter two being semi-active at times
In observing the last team, there were real commitment issues.
eRaS did not particpate
Goodlove did not participate
eun_ji did not participate
Lang was unrealiable, he showed up and was a force but never showed for games
GAG is a one trick pony
Rookie was a one trick pony
Sky was a one trick pony (didnt see his tvt though)
R_I's forte was tvp, but tvz/tvt were decent
fortissimo moved to italy
beaut has commitment issues because he plays at work (internet cafe)
Nexies was almost impossible to track down
I don't know half these names, and "one trick pony" is hardly a reason to exclude someone from a team, especially if they haven't even applied
80% of the people in NZL-1 are ums
5% BGH
10% FPM
5% Low-moeny
I'm aware of that. You'd probably find similar statistics in any default channel.
Show nested quote +all our traditional sources of strength have gone, trust me..
we dont have the strength/numbers to have a national team We'll see. Your also asking at a particularly bad time; semester 1 is drawing to a close rapidly and hence mass exams are on, also many highschools have midyears etc didcated players around this time are scarce at best
Nice to see some productive input, but I don't think this is too important. People with time constraints won't be excluded by default, and I don't plan on making this 2-3 month fad that'll fizzle out after exams are done. There'll be time for everyone to play.
I suggest if you are really serious about this that you assemble 5 reliable players (lol goodluck) and get some games going; in ASEAN we won 1 set (thanks RI!!), dont over estimate our skills, we are very much a weak nation. Goodluck regardless
We have a shallow player-base compared to other nations, yes, and our top players are relatively weak. I don't overestimate our skill, but I don't feel that an inferiority complex is going to serve us well in competition either. We'll just do our best and see what happens.
I'm still a little drunk right now, so I may not have come off as offensive as I'd have liked to. I'll see what I can do tomorrow morning
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On May 15 2007 03:01 Manifesto7 wrote:
Hey Plexa way to be a total cock to a guy wanting to try again. Perhaps the reason NZ has a tough time is that attitude?
Plexa's total cock impression is nothing compared to mine! Thanks anyway honey <3
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Hehe you're grossly overesitmating my skill fonger. I got raped by eras the last time I played him, and since I haven't been playing I'll be even more useless now. Again you're gonna have to be very organized and think carefully about the times of any matches or events if this is gonna work. Even forming a group that plays regularly and together would be a challenge I think, although this itself would be quite nice. Maybe start off with getting everyone to play at the same time that you set like on a sunday every week or something, then if you can keep that going good progress onto setting up a team and matches.
We need to concentrate on learning from mistakes. In the past what we've tried to do is gather up as many people as possible in 1 go, and it worked for maybe a couple weeks but fizzled out extremely quickly as people drifted further and further away in terms of communication and they lost interest because of the lack of activity, which caused more people to lose interest too. Start slow and work your way up. I'd be happy to play sometimes in a group that gathers some time every week and trains together. If you can't even get something like that going, then you're unlikely to get a nation team going and the idea of playing as a group of NZers isn't gonna work.
Furthermore you might want to think of the upcoming possible release of SC2 etc. Make sure you plan this well and think it out or else it will be a waste of time like in the past.
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Fonger for the president!!!.. or was it prime minister in dis sheep country..
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hopefully you guys can get your team organized :D btest of luck!
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On May 15 2007 03:53 inactiveskyglow wrote:
Hehe you're grossly overesitmating my skill fonger. I got raped by eras the last time I played him, and since I haven't been playing I'll be even more useless now. Again you're gonna have to be very organized and think carefully about the times of any matches or events if this is gonna work. Even forming a group that plays regularly and together would be a challenge I think, although this itself would be quite nice. Maybe start off with getting everyone to play at the same time that you set like on a sunday every week or something, then if you can keep that going good progress onto setting up a team and matches.
We need to concentrate on learning from mistakes. In the past what we've tried to do is gather up as many people as possible in 1 go, and it worked for maybe a couple weeks but fizzled out extremely quickly as people drifted further and further away in terms of communication and they lost interest because of the lack of activity, which caused more people to lose interest too. Start slow and work your way up. I'd be happy to play sometimes in a group that gathers some time every week and trains together. If you can't even get something like that going, then you're unlikely to get a nation team going and the idea of playing as a group of NZers isn't gonna work.
Furthermore you might want to think of the upcoming possible release of SC2 etc. Make sure you plan this well and think it out or else it will be a waste of time like in the past. 100% agreed
check your PM's- ive sent you our story, and our failings
i hope you do better than we did
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Thanks Plexa, that helped put some things in perspective I was actually following the team during the period you mentioned, rooting for you guys in ASEAN ;D For me it wasn't about winning, there was just something cool about seeing a Kiwi team play against other countries.
Hehe you're grossly overesitmating my skill fonger.
Who cares, you have 300apm :D Seriously though, I couldn't tell the difference between you last we played. The fact that you were both so far above me in any case may have had something to do with it :p
I'd be happy to play sometimes in a group that gathers some time every week and trains together.
Let's get some contact info together then. Do you have MSN or any equivalent?
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SWEET. A NZ Team! Can I start a Korean team??
Not.
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On May 15 2007 13:05 fonger wrote:Thanks Plexa, that helped put some things in perspective I was actually following the team during the period you mentioned, rooting for you guys in ASEAN ;D For me it wasn't about winning, there was just something cool about seeing a Kiwi team play against other countries. Who cares, you have 300apm :D Seriously though, I couldn't tell the difference between you last we played. The fact that you were both so far above me in any case may have had something to do with it :p Show nested quote +I'd be happy to play sometimes in a group that gathers some time every week and trains together. Let's get some contact info together then. Do you have MSN or any equivalent?
Yeah the idea of a NZ community and a team appeals far more to than a team that hasn't got team spirit but is able to win games. My msn is skyglow1@hotmail.com.
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On May 15 2007 03:01 Manifesto7 wrote:
Hey Plexa way to be a total cock to a guy wanting to try again. Perhaps the reason NZ has a tough time is that attitude?
Unfortunately Plexa knows very well the situation in New Zealand.
He's just trying to point out the difficulties, thats all... and he's always been very big on the idea of a New Zealand team - even though I tried to persuade him otherwise.
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Osaka27149 Posts
I seem to have an unnecessarily sharp tongue these days. It just seems like the idea shouldnt be "dismissed" so quickly.
One thing, from my own observations, that I think any new team should do is get in the habit of practicing with each other before trying to set up matches. It builds up the team a little bit, shows who is good at what, and gets people in the habit of playing together at times good for them. After doing that a few times, then go out and look for a match. I think the results and longevity of the team would be much better.
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On May 15 2007 21:33 inactiveskyglow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2007 13:05 fonger wrote:Thanks Plexa, that helped put some things in perspective I was actually following the team during the period you mentioned, rooting for you guys in ASEAN ;D For me it wasn't about winning, there was just something cool about seeing a Kiwi team play against other countries. Hehe you're grossly overesitmating my skill fonger. Who cares, you have 300apm :D Seriously though, I couldn't tell the difference between you last we played. The fact that you were both so far above me in any case may have had something to do with it :p I'd be happy to play sometimes in a group that gathers some time every week and trains together. Let's get some contact info together then. Do you have MSN or any equivalent? Yeah the idea of a NZ community and a team appeals far more to than a team that hasn't got team spirit but is able to win games. My msn is skyglow1@hotmail.com.
On the subject of msn as well, the first real important thing is to establish good communication between everyone. We can either do this by adding everyones msn to each other etc, or by always posting on the team aus boards. I think in the long term using msn isn't gonna work cause you cant reach enough people easily, so you should get into the habbit of using the team aus forums.
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Sorry to bump this thread, but fonger has set up a forum for the NZ players here:
http://www.starcraft.co.nz/
To any NZ players, come and sign up there. We'll be having a gathering on 25th May friday at 8pm, and we'll be discussing the times for future gatherings. See you there ^_^
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On May 23 2007 23:27 inactiveskyglow wrote:Sorry to bump this thread, but fonger has set up a forum for the NZ players here: http://www.starcraft.co.nz/To any NZ players, come and sign up there. We'll be having a gathering on 25th May friday at 8pm, and we'll be discussing the times for future gatherings. See you there ^_^
Sorry to bump again :D Any NZ lurkers or members we'd like you to come to our site. We have weekly tournaments now, good turnouts, and we'd like to see what sorta players we got in NZ.
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Good luck, NZ. Hope you guys get this together. Meanwhile, anyone know of any South Asian teams that are active?
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Silver and I have hosted two NZ tournaments on iccup in the past two weeks with an 8 player turnout for each one. Basically, Starcraft in NZ hasn't died quite yet...
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