[news] July&Pusan placed on waivers - Page 8

ManaBlue

Canada10458 Posts

May 08 2007 09:30 GMT

#141

Good for July.

MBC is such a power house, how do they treat their players so poorly? Pusan, the captain, getting paid 50k? What the fuck is that. Half the KTF line up makes around 100k a year.

This is bullshit. Is MBC paying anybody anything decent? They deserve to lose all their stars if this is how they run things.

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

May 08 2007 09:35 GMT

#142

well it's only this past one year that they've been a powerhouse. Before then, they were lowly POS, with only July and Pusan.

It was only in 2006 that we saw the rise of Sea, Bisu, and towards the latter half, Shark. Well I guess sea was towards the end of 2005, but still

dronebabo

10866 Posts

May 08 2007 09:38 GMT

#143

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ManaBlue

Canada10458 Posts

May 08 2007 09:44 GMT

#144

On May 08 2007 18:35 thedeadhaji wrote:
well it's only this past one year that they've been a powerhouse. Before then, they were lowly POS, with only July and Pusan.

It was only in 2006 that we saw the rise of Sea, Bisu, and towards the latter half, Shark. Well I guess sea was towards the end of 2005, but still

That's kind of the point. They're winning now.

Does that not entail better management of sponsers, cash flow, compensation of players/staff?

If this is a reflection of their capabilities as a team, they won't hold on to a single decent player past the renewal of their contracts and they'll be back to being the "lowly POS" once again.

tfeign

United States2980 Posts

May 08 2007 11:14 GMT

#145

On May 08 2007 16:03 Guybrush wrote:
July missed his first OSL since mid 2004(Gillette the one he won). That's 9 OSLs in a row, a record he shared with GF. Only Boxer and maybe Yellow or Reach has a similar record. Chojja has missed way more OSLs, but been pretty regular in the MSLs. As of now Chojja is officially in the slump as he's in neither of the leagues. July however managed to qualify for MSL for the first time in a while.

Just qualifying for leagues doesn't mean anything much. Mumuyng qualified for every single OSL back in the days, Child is qualifying for every OSL these days. It doesn't mean much when they qualify just to completely suck when the leagues start, which pretty much defines July 2006-to-present.

Chojja won Cyon MSL(finals played january 2006) - however way easier maps than OSL for Zerg Dark Sauron(Oov lost to Mummy here, says alot), decent ZvT maps RoV&Rush Hour and R-Point(little harder ZvT positional imbalance). Chojja also mostly played Zergs on his way, except Xellos.

These maps are as balanced for zvt as it gets.

Qualifying for WCG in Korea is fucking hard so dont give me that crap. And yes the players care,; its alot of money.

Qualifying for WCG USED to be hard. But when players like July received the gift of an auto-seed due to his performance in 2005, qualifying, at least for him, was nothing hard

Not only do his accomplisments in terms of leagues won outshine Chojjas, but hes done it on hard as fuck ZvT maps too. Which is why he's more impressive.

How exactly are maps such as Luna, RoV, Neo Requiem, Forte, Mercury, Nostalgia, Namja Iyagi (maps used during July's 2 league wins) qualify as "hard as fuck ZVT maps?" If anything, some of these maps qualify as "easy as fuck" zvp maps that allowed July to get literally free wins vs P, but none of these maps are "hard as fuck zvt maps"

July has won OSL twice, two 2nd places in OSL(equal to Chojja there), won the prestigous KT-KTF Premier league & the iTV finals where he defeated Oov in the final. 2nd in WCG, but no top 4 placements in the major leagues(I think?).

Chojja has won 1 MSL in addition to 1 2nd place in MSL and a bunch of top 4 placements in both leagues.

That being said it does feel like Chojja is way underrated now though. He has afterall usually been in atleast one of the major leagues, and there was a point in 2006 where he seemed unbeatable ZvZ(which gets less attention than being dominant in ZvT).

My opinion says Chojja is a better player than July, but feel free to hold your own opinion. I'm not here to argue Chojja > July. It only comes down to how you weigh recent accomplishments vs old accomplishments. But for anyone to come say "Chojja doesn't cut it anymore" and that July coming in would somehow bring the team to a whole new level of zerg is completely ridiculous and stupid. If anything, July fits the complete description of a player who doesn't cut it anymore - it's the sole reason why MBC lets him go in the first place.

intelinside

United States982 Posts

May 08 2007 12:18 GMT

#146

which sounds more ridiculous??? garimto getting paid 40000, free being paid 6000, or july getting paid 60000??? for me, garimto getting paid 40000 is the most ridiculous. not a single game

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

May 08 2007 12:24 GMT

#147

free. Although since his salary was determined pre-2006, I guess it was reasonable at the time (he hadn't done anything yet. I'd expect a bit below GGplay money, whatever that is.

garimto brings name value and recognition, as well as leadership (you dont have to be a great player to be able to band a group of players together, and there aren't that many guys who can head a team of stars like KTF). Well, this is all theory though.

July 60,000 is on the low side but I mean, I don't have to rehash the contents of this thread again so

intelinside

United States982 Posts

May 08 2007 12:40 GMT

#148

wasnt nada getting paid like more than the rest of his teammates combined?? i think he was getting paid 200000

intelinside

United States982 Posts

May 08 2007 12:42 GMT

#149

this is way off topic but savior and boxer gonna play in 15 minutes so excited

Last Romantic

United States20665 Posts

May 08 2007 12:44 GMT

#150

GARIMTO doesn't NEED to play games. He basically keeps everyone in line and motivated. Under his captaincy, KTF has regained its top-4 status: before, under rA, they were what? rank 10?

He reminds me a lot of TheMarine, in that he looks and acts the part of the leader. TheMarine also played games, though.

WhatisProtoss

Korea (South)2325 Posts

May 08 2007 14:11 GMT

#151

On May 08 2007 21:40 intelinside wrote:
wasnt nada getting paid like more than the rest of his teammates combined?? i think he was getting paid 200000

NaDa is hands down the best player on Pantech. None of his teammates deny that fact. And if he loses a match in proleague, his team is lost. That is why NaDa is put out as the first player in the PantechEX lineup, since a first win would lift his team's spirits and garner a win.

The best starcraft player in history decides to stay with one of the worst proleague teams. He deserves that big salary.

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

May 08 2007 14:40 GMT

#152

On May 08 2007 21:42 intelinside wrote:
this is way off topic but savior and boxer gonna play in 15 minutes so excited

why did you post this here.

in fact why did you post this at all.

stop spamming everywhere... and this is me who's saying this.

edit: stop double and triple posting too. It's extremely noticeable from you.

SiZ.FaNtAsY

Korea (South)1497 Posts

May 08 2007 15:42 GMT

#153

I still believe July won't be making as much as his previous contract promised.
I doubt the teams will pay that much for a veteran zerg player who hasn't shown results to deserve the money. His results are still consistent and better than a lot of players, but he isn't doing as much as he should be doing with the money he's getting. I hope this gets solved real soon, this year has been full of bullshit with Kespa and now this..

Guybrush

Spain4744 Posts

May 08 2007 16:43 GMT

#154

The moment you began comparing Mumyung with Julys 2006 perfomances was the moment I stopped reading the rest of your post.

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

May 08 2007 17:10 GMT

#155

well the thing is winning has really nothing to do with the team's income. so a poor team that wins will inevitably sell off its players. it's not like the teams collect revenue from anything that correlates to winning. how much do they want to win? they are compelled by teh structure of the whole set up but nevertheless they dont relaly have to win.

SuperJongMan

Jamaica11586 Posts

May 08 2007 18:23 GMT

#156

Winning brings sponsors.
Kor/OGN, Plus/Lecaf, GO/CJ, POS/MBC.

That means teams like 4u and IS get more money and better set up and eventually become what it is... while a team like hanbit will stay mediocre for life until a hanbit player fuckin turns the world upside down for a change... They used to have a decent budget... back in the old days, when a big budget was food + shelter -_-;; Witin a few years, huge contracts arise and shit.. weeeeee

And Nada is better than the rest of Pantech combined into a single prozerran monster. Nada is Pantech.

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

May 08 2007 18:57 GMT

#157

On May 09 2007 03:23 SuperJongMan wrote:
Winning brings sponsors.
Kor/OGN, Plus/Lecaf, GO/CJ, POS/MBC.

That means teams like 4u and IS get more money and better set up and eventually become what it is... while a team like hanbit will stay mediocre for life until a hanbit player fuckin turns the world upside down for a change... They used to have a decent budget... back in the old days, when a big budget was food + shelter -_-;; Witin a few years, huge contracts arise and shit.. weeeeee

And Nada is better than the rest of Pantech combined into a single prozerran monster. Nada is Pantech.

hmm
soul -> stx soul ; still bottom of proleague

glad they kept pusan.. worth the 50,000 imo;;

YoUr_KiLLeR

United States3420 Posts

May 08 2007 20:14 GMT

#158

On May 08 2007 20:14 tfeign wrote:

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looooooooooool. july has never, ever been directly eliminated in the group stages. for 9. straight. OSLs.

and no, child has only qualified for several OSLs and hes gone 0-6 in the two he played, and now 0-2 in the MSL, making him a grand total of 0-8 in major league play.

you're comparing july to mumyung and child LOL.

edit: btw july made an OSL final in 2006.