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Ladder MMR Mismatch

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DarkSaieden
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
South Africa254 Posts
October 26 2017 10:12 GMT
#1
Does anyone else have consistent mismatches? Most of my matches are against 1600+ players, even though my rating has been consistently below 1300 for quite a while. I would estimate my skill to be around the 1400-1500 range based on games that feel quite even in skill, but I seldom encounter players in that bracket or lower. It's really depressing to spend so much time practicing only to be outclassed in almost every ladder game
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 26 2017 10:18 GMT
#2
I fell you, it's like roller coaster. Lucky day I dismantle noobs, unlucky I get dismantled by 250+ APM guys. I think it's due to lack of player base. When I get angry I just go and create a lobby.
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DarkSaieden
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
South Africa254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-26 10:42:06
October 26 2017 10:40 GMT
#3
On October 26 2017 19:18 outscar wrote:
I fell you, it's like roller coaster. Lucky day I dismantle noobs, unlucky I get dismantled by 250+ APM guys. I think it's due to lack of player base. When I get angry I just go and create a lobby.


I don't see how the lack of player base would explain why though. Statistically, it should be almost impossible for almost every player in the queues to have a higher rating with such consistency.

Here you can see my rating since the 18th has been below 1300:

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And all but two of the game ratings (the average mmr of the 2 players) is higher, in several cases quite significantly:

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Agh
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States966 Posts
October 26 2017 12:18 GMT
#4
In your case it's probably a lot of smurfs/new accounts, combined with the fact that there just isn't a lot of players.

Your rating more or less falls below the average of where you start, so you're pretty much going to hit those players consistently. Unless they enforce a single account limit there isn't going to be a solution.


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DarkSaieden
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
South Africa254 Posts
October 26 2017 12:45 GMT
#5
On October 26 2017 21:18 Agh wrote:
In your case it's probably a lot of smurfs/new accounts, combined with the fact that there just isn't a lot of players.

Your rating more or less falls below the average of where you start, so you're pretty much going to hit those players consistently. Unless they enforce a single account limit there isn't going to be a solution.




If the that's the case, there should be other players that have dropped to my points bracket for the same reason, and I should eventually get paired against them, or at the very least, occasionally get matched against lower rated players (<1200), but this doesn't happen.
ReTr0[p.S]
Profile Joined March 2005
Argentina1590 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-26 15:31:53
October 26 2017 14:10 GMT
#6
I feel like the MMR is not fine-tuned enough yet, and for accounts like your it shows a somewhat lying number. I think your MMR is closer to 1500 than it is to 1200, but since losing and winning takes/gives pretty much the same amount of points, you see yourself fall below what a new account would even have.

For comparison, ICCUP for example has a +100/-50 if on the same level, while SCR is pretty much +25 /-25, so a few cheeses or matched against an actual more skilled player = your MMR falls through the roof.

I do think Blizzard should look into these numbers, from what I saw it's demotivating a lot of players since they don't see any progress, and at the same time throws some accounts like yours below what they should be.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
October 26 2017 14:34 GMT
#7
Maybe it has to do with your location? The matchmaker tries to give you geographically close matches. We don't know exactly how it weighs that against a close MMR match. If you're playing from South Africa, it could be hard for it to find good geographical matches, so it deemphasizes MMR match in order to get you a decent geographical match. I'd want to see the experiences of people at similar MMR in different locations.
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reG.neaZ
Profile Joined July 2010
Mexico38 Posts
October 26 2017 15:41 GMT
#8
I think NonY is right, everytime i start playing at 5:00 pm i get paired against the same 10 people or so.. it must be based on your location.
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sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-26 21:41:47
October 26 2017 18:22 GMT
#9
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Where are these stats coming from? Looks cool, thanks

Edit: Found it, starlog.gg
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
October 26 2017 21:18 GMT
#10
I've had some pretty big variation as well. Like, in everything. I get opponents who are way higher than me sometimes, sometimes a win nets me like 150 points and then a lose nets me like 60. I think part of this might be due to the double win/loss glitch and the fact that your stated mmr and score arent always accurate to what they 'actually' are.
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1a2a3aPro
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-26 22:06:47
October 26 2017 22:03 GMT
#11
On October 26 2017 19:12 DarkSaieden wrote:
It's really depressing to spend so much time practicing only to be outclassed in almost every ladder game


If I may offer some unsolicited advice:

Brood War is a really hard game. I've played a few really hard, technical games over the years (CS 1.6, Brood War, Smash Bros Melee). There's always going to be someone better than you. If you make the game about beating your opponent, you're going to get frustrated, burned out, and you're going to quit. This is especially true because this game is so old: lots of people have played for years, you aren't going to be better than them in a few months.

Instead, make your goals around self-improvement. Find an area of your game where you want to improve at, and zero-in on it. Really focus, even if other parts of your game fall apart, until you've got that thing down.

Example: You notice you are not consistently producing workers.

Goal: Focus hard on that while you are playing, even to the detriment to other parts of your game (scouting, build order timings, whatever).

You play a game. You get crushed. You're smiling. Why? Because you watched the replay, and you really nailed it. You've been doing this for 5-10 games now, and it's almost second nature. Your building workers, they're nicely synced up at your main and natural, your economy was great. Cool! Once this is truly self-conscious and you don't mess it up anymore, find another thing to work on.

Not only will you not get discouraged, but psychologically this is a much faster way of improving at a game anyway. Before you know it, the winning will just come as a side effect.

EDIT: My specific example applies better to T and P, I didn't see you were Z, but take it as a for-instance. Your goals will be different, but the same idea applies.
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
October 28 2017 11:40 GMT
#12
I think there is a large discrepancy of skill below the initial 1500 rating. I was only ever D+ on iccup back in the day, plus I lost a bunch of games while drunk, so I'm only on 1400 now, and I do get a huge mix of skill there. Some people are either smurfing or something, they perform really well for the low MMR, but then you also get 20 apm newbies who build 3 supply depots before they start a rax and make no additional workers. These are accounts on their way down to the bottom I guess. I think this is always going to be an issue with a system like this, where you start with a certain amount of MMR points, as opposed to the placement match stuff in SC2.
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