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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1660 Posts
August 26 2017 09:19 GMT
#21
I am 1800 1900 mmr playing only kor and my iccup rank ranged between B A-
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
Power[Xp]
Profile Joined July 2007
Netherlands64 Posts
August 26 2017 09:24 GMT
#22
On August 26 2017 18:19 iFU.pauline wrote:
I am 1800 1900 mmr playing only kor and my iccup rank ranged between B A-


Can I ask how you play Koreans only?
I changed region to Asia and played on Korean server, but I still get to play Europeans.
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1660 Posts
August 26 2017 09:29 GMT
#23
On August 26 2017 18:24 Power[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 18:19 iFU.pauline wrote:
I am 1800 1900 mmr playing only kor and my iccup rank ranged between B A-


Can I ask how you play Koreans only?
I changed region to Asia and played on Korean server, but I still get to play Europeans.


vpn, there is a thread about it in this section.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10253 Posts
August 26 2017 09:31 GMT
#24
Comparing these rating systems is a relatively futile practice for many reasons.

1. Different populations. While ICCup was definitely very pyramidal in its structure (80% of players were D, 18% were C, 2% higher, roughly), the "bottom" of the Pyramid in SC:R MM is very low and broad. In other words, the average player is simply worse than they were on ICCup at this point in time.

2. Different rating scales. MMR and Elo and etc. cannot be compared to ICCup's activity-based system. If you played MotW, you only needed more than like 30% winrate against other D rank players to get to C-.

3. I expect hours of activity to affect MMR similar to how ICCup had "Korean hours." The same rating attributed to two people who have a wide disparity in skill due to environment.

There are more reasons but I'm tired.

In short, don't worry too much about translating rating scales, or rating scales in general.
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SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-26 10:52:26
August 26 2017 10:50 GMT
#25
Yes, I agree with many posted so far. Wait another several weeks to let the real ratings catch up with everyone.

Also, it depends who plays when ... if you play during a time zone where it's essentially dead for Koreans, you may only match foreigners and have an easier time.

I'm currently sitting 2150-2250, but seem to match 90% Koreans due to the fact that the hours I play seem to coincide with peak Korean times as well. On the other side, I see a lot of foreigners who I know are not nearly as good as me, but are also ~2100. But it's probably because they don't get heavy Korean pairings.

In short, who cares about rating. It's too early. Just practice and embrace the new system.
noob_saibot
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation213 Posts
August 26 2017 10:59 GMT
#26
I was B rank on iCCup (A rank with the new system) Now I am at 1850-1950, getting matched only against Koreans tho' (since I'm living in East Russia)
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
August 26 2017 15:41 GMT
#27
On August 26 2017 09:54 XERX wrote:
points mean nothing right now wait until the rankings get released


That is literally what the points are. Rankings.
moose...indian
Poly_Optimize
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada156 Posts
August 26 2017 16:09 GMT
#28
I think we will never be able to find out the true correlation between scr mmr and old ladders. It is now impossible to dodge players.. there were a lot of players dodging good players in order to climb ranking. The ranking was biased in the past, so its quite difficult to compare a biased ladder with this new scr ladder
radley
Profile Joined August 2008
Poland582 Posts
August 26 2017 16:18 GMT
#29
I have currently above 2100 MMR playing dumb strategies and had B max on newest iccup point system (earlier my max was C+)
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MymSlorm
Profile Joined May 2017
Chile187 Posts
August 27 2017 03:51 GMT
#30
i used to be D+/C-, the first days i got to 1700 easily, but nowdays i getting more of a challenge to get there with my second account
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esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
August 27 2017 04:57 GMT
#31
On August 27 2017 00:41 reneg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 09:54 XERX wrote:
points mean nothing right now wait until the rankings get released


That is literally what the points are. Rankings.


No. Blizzard is testing out the system and working out the bugs. When they get it fixed up, they are going to reset the ratings and potentially change to a letter grade system (see Gamescom interviews). Right now they literally mean nothing.
Skill is relative.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
August 27 2017 06:26 GMT
#32
On August 26 2017 08:32 lepape wrote:
Well there's one thing I know, 1800 MMR on Europe/US is equal roughly to 1300 MMR on Korean server.


ranked is global so u can play vs koris as higher as u come, u onyl not play them because of server lag but even then all 1600 on kor server i met was ... not good definetly not better then eu, koris are better but the good koris go up rly fast and there is a LOT of scrum in korea too xD
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iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1015 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-27 09:07:07
August 27 2017 09:03 GMT
#33
On August 26 2017 07:54 arb wrote:
i think someone was saying 1700-1750 was d+? but im not 100% certain on that obviously 2200+ is like A rank so maybe 1700 is somewhere in the C region?

I'm 1900+ (getting USWest players even queuing from other servers), previously C on iccup
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-29 15:10:58
August 27 2017 09:39 GMT
#34
1800+ currently on europe, I was B- on ICCup
one thing I don't understand is there is currently a jump in the ladder ranks between like 199 and 200, like the top 200 players all have 2100+ and then the 200th or 201th player has 1860 or smtg, there is a gap don't know where its coming from (edit: apparently its because of bug in the display of ladder ranking, if you scroll it up after selecting a region and "see myself" it ends up showing the ranks of the global ladder instead mixed in)
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
August 29 2017 13:12 GMT
#35
On August 27 2017 13:57 esReveR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2017 00:41 reneg wrote:
On August 26 2017 09:54 XERX wrote:
points mean nothing right now wait until the rankings get released


That is literally what the points are. Rankings.


No. Blizzard is testing out the system and working out the bugs. When they get it fixed up, they are going to reset the ratings and potentially change to a letter grade system (see Gamescom interviews). Right now they literally mean nothing.


Sure, they might reset it, but that's still exactly what these points are measuring.

If they change it to be a letter system, that doesn't change the fact that your letter is determined by your MMR Rating (which is what you currently see...)

It's basically exactly like the SC2 system, where you have a ranking (Diamond/Masters/Etc), but have an MMR rating behind (which is really the only thing that matters)....
moose...indian
Demurity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States424 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-29 13:48:43
August 29 2017 13:47 GMT
#36
To Jealous's point, the bell curve is certainly skewed right, but it doesn't make this comparison futile. It's fine to gauge ladder ranks just using our sample size. There is no official 1:1 comparison.

I was about B on iCCup, current ladder MMR is 2000.
|Terran|
gDPhantom
Profile Joined January 2015
New Zealand162 Posts
August 29 2017 15:00 GMT
#37
I only seem to match people from australia and talking to people i play they are the same, so rankings are going to be very different, smaller populations (like aus/nz) will have much lower rankings i imagine?
YNWA
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1598 Posts
August 29 2017 15:14 GMT
#38
It's going to be hard to compare as it seems to come down to your region, and when you play. I can only play after 8:00 PM so I'm getting matched with mostly Koreans. I was A- and currently at 2100 MMR.
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
August 29 2017 16:51 GMT
#39
On August 30 2017 00:14 EndingLife wrote:
It's going to be hard to compare as it seems to come down to your region, and when you play. I can only play after 8:00 PM so I'm getting matched with mostly Koreans. I was A- and currently at 2100 MMR.

I only play at the times when KR's are sleeping. I avoid them. It's like hide and seek for me, except they don't know that we're playing.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 29 2017 16:53 GMT
#40
I'm currently at 1700MMR trying to switch races from Zerg to Terran. I haven't played iCCup since early season and I was at B- level at max.
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