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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
December 09 2017 10:37 GMT
#1301
On December 09 2017 15:39 juvenal wrote:
Funny seeing all the same names siding with Larva in the recent drama now being happy about Savior returning.


Funny how you trying to make a connection between what Savior and Larva did.
sunbeams are never made like me...
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
December 09 2017 12:45 GMT
#1302
On December 09 2017 19:37 outscar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2017 15:39 juvenal wrote:
Funny seeing all the same names siding with Larva in the recent drama now being happy about Savior returning.


Funny how you trying to make a connection between what Savior and Larva did.

except I don't? What I'm pointing out is how certain people disregard personal qualities of a performer as long as they're being entertained.
Michael Probu
Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
December 09 2017 15:30 GMT
#1303
I think sAviOr deserves to be allowed to play again. Yes what he did was terrible but so is doping and if you look at athletes in real sports most of them get back after having endured a doping/betting ban for a few years, or sometimes as short as 6 months. Their penalty is just not the ban, but also having to receive hate from the audience for probably their lifetime once they return (see Justin Gatlin which is an extreme case). sAviOr has been gone for a looooong time now, and it's a bit of a shame that we won't get to see him compete again because he did play extremely well and entertaining in games where he wasn't actually cheating. But I guess this lifetime ban is an esports thing in general.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
December 09 2017 15:33 GMT
#1304
Oh boy, here we go..
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-09 15:47:27
December 09 2017 15:46 GMT
#1305
Lemelose is so correct. Skills don't pay the bills unless you're in the top 1% of Pro's in Korea. Way easier to manage a consistent income through being a personality.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1680 Posts
December 09 2017 16:07 GMT
#1306
On December 09 2017 17:07 Letmelose wrote:
sAviOr brings nothing of value to the current Brood War ecosystem.


You know what brings nothing of value to the fucking "ecosystem"? Your long ass redundant hateful post about a 9 years old topic. Now here is a way for you to bring value is to let it the fuck go with savior.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-09 16:58:19
December 09 2017 16:57 GMT
#1307
On December 10 2017 01:07 iFU.pauline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2017 17:07 Letmelose wrote:
sAviOr brings nothing of value to the current Brood War ecosystem.


You know what brings nothing of value to the fucking "ecosystem"? Your long ass redundant hateful post about a 9 years old topic. Now here is a way for you to bring value is to let it the fuck go with savior.


Let's see, the last time sAviOr was streaming he was losing games to Britney, one of the worst streamers to ever exist in terms of skill at the game.



Streamers who play Brood War need to have a good vibe with one another, and the viewers of these streamers need to have decent rapport with each other so that the streamers can concentrate on their games with needing to mediate conflict. How many streamers can you actually name that has zero beef with sAviOr and what he did, and has the ability to manage their fans in such a way that conflicts between those who support sAviOr, and those who hate sAviOr don't take over the stream?

Tell me, what does sAviOr bring to the current ecosystem that I'm overlooking? Nail biting Brood War games versus the likes of Britney? sAviOr awkwardly trying to make amends with equally awkward streamers who don't know whether to forgive him or scorn him? People fighting non-stop over whether sAviOr should be forgiven or not? What does he actually bring to the table aside from controversy and drama?

I personally would recommend the theater if these are the kind of spectacles you wish for. Do you enjoy this particular conversation you are having with me? Because this is the kind of stuff sAviOr will introduce to the scene, as well as his amazing ability to make Britney look like a competent Brood War player.
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6815 Posts
December 09 2017 17:04 GMT
#1308
On December 10 2017 01:57 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2017 01:07 iFU.pauline wrote:
On December 09 2017 17:07 Letmelose wrote:
sAviOr brings nothing of value to the current Brood War ecosystem.


You know what brings nothing of value to the fucking "ecosystem"? Your long ass redundant hateful post about a 9 years old topic. Now here is a way for you to bring value is to let it the fuck go with savior.


Let's see, the last time sAviOr was streaming he was losing games to Britney, one of the worst streamers to ever exist in terms of skill at the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUX--JkYnDg

Streamers who play Brood War need to have a good vibe with one another, and the viewers of these streamers need to have decent rapport with each other so that the streamers can concentrate on their games with needing to mediate conflict. How many streamers can you actually name that has zero beef with sAviOr and what he did, and has the ability to manage their fans in such a way that conflicts between those who support sAviOr, and those who hate sAviOr don't take over the stream?

Tell me, what does sAviOr bring to the current ecosystem that I'm overlooking? Nail biting Brood War games versus the likes of Britney? sAviOr awkwardly trying to make amends with equally awkward streamers who don't know whether to forgive him or scorn him? People fighting non-stop over whether sAviOr should be forgiven or not? What does he actually bring to the table aside from controversy and drama?

I personally would recommend the theater if these are the kind of spectacles you wish for. Do you enjoy this particular conversation you are having with me? Because this is the kind of stuff sAviOr will introduce to the scene, as well as his amazing ability to make Britney look like a competent Brood War player.

he is sAviOr.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4197 Posts
December 09 2017 17:12 GMT
#1309
Does he still have fans + rich friends in China? i recall him participating in a Chinese BW tournament a few years ago and Kespa wanted Blizzard to stop it. The TOs were apparently big fans of savior.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
December 09 2017 17:35 GMT
#1310
I think the hatred of Savior is overblown. He's already been punished enough. Time to let it go.
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
December 09 2017 17:47 GMT
#1311
Correct, he was punished enough and the punishment is that he can't have anything to do with BW so Savior can fuck right off.
Michael Probu
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6815 Posts
December 09 2017 17:50 GMT
#1312
On December 10 2017 02:35 Alpha-NP- wrote:
I think the hatred of Savior is overblown. He's already been punished enough. Time to let it go.

how comes no one talks about the kespa corruption or the way they had kids under age working and exploding them? i sometimes ask myself if the matchfixing exploded cuz players didnt share it with kespa.anyway the only i like from savior is the bw side.what he did after is just a disgrace and im sure he knows it,sometimes people fall under the pressure of the moment and take horrible decisions instead of asking for help.
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1481 Posts
December 09 2017 21:10 GMT
#1313
Savior brings nothing real to table other than temporary 1 month ish boost in popularity before people stop watching him.
+ a lot of streamers have beef with him and saviors personality isn t too great. Other than temporary boost, I don't think savior returning does much and only serves to have black patch of tension on side.

I don't think it's overall positive at all. It's not like he is amazing anymore skill wise either
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1767 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-09 21:41:02
December 09 2017 21:25 GMT
#1314
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sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-12 12:12:11
December 12 2017 12:11 GMT
#1315
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/SAviOr
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/135_sAviOr
http://play.afreeca.com/mjy1123
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51556 Posts
December 12 2017 12:16 GMT
#1316
looks like a fucking jail LOL
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6815 Posts
December 12 2017 12:30 GMT
#1317
he is looking so bad ;;
deus_073
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Romania187 Posts
December 12 2017 12:33 GMT
#1318
Best to forgive, but not to forget.
CoL_DarkstaR
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany649 Posts
December 12 2017 13:42 GMT
#1319
On December 12 2017 21:16 GTR wrote:
looks like a fucking jail LOL
[image loading]


Damn that looks depressing. Not the room but his face and his eyes. Talk about the fall of a big star :/

How can i watch his stream? He's obviously not featured here and i accept that.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
December 12 2017 15:50 GMT
#1320
Looks kinda tired. Bad choice of color for first stream though.
sunbeams are never made like me...
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