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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-02 20:03:12
August 02 2017 20:03 GMT
#301
What if it went like this guys?

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TranslatorBaa!
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
August 02 2017 20:08 GMT
#302
On August 03 2017 05:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
What if it went like this guys?

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JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
August 02 2017 20:11 GMT
#303
I don't get it. Why is BW more people than SC2?
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 02 2017 20:13 GMT
#304
It's only more popular in Korea, but I love both games.
When I think of something else, something will go here
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
August 02 2017 20:14 GMT
#305
On August 03 2017 04:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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On August 03 2017 04:30 duke91 wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:08 duke91 wrote:
Is matchmaking with true random or fake random (almost never mirror matches)?

I mean watching JD's stream he played mainly ZvZ and ZvT


Thats not what I meant. If you pick random vs another random, the chances of getting a mirror matchup is 1/2 if it is true random. If you play 1.16, it is something like 1/27 or something like that.

Oh yeah now your question makes more sense. But why 1/2? It should be 1/3, no?


There are 6 matchups. 3 are mirror.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 02 2017 20:16 GMT
#306
On August 03 2017 05:14 duke91 wrote:
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On August 03 2017 04:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 03 2017 04:30 duke91 wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:08 duke91 wrote:
Is matchmaking with true random or fake random (almost never mirror matches)?

I mean watching JD's stream he played mainly ZvZ and ZvT


Thats not what I meant. If you pick random vs another random, the chances of getting a mirror matchup is 1/2 if it is true random. If you play 1.16, it is something like 1/27 or something like that.

Oh yeah now your question makes more sense. But why 1/2? It should be 1/3, no?


There are 6 matchups. 3 are mirror.

There are 9 possibilities though because ZvT and TvZ isn't the same here.
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duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
August 02 2017 20:17 GMT
#307
It is the same here because all I care about is whether there is true random vs random or not.
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TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
August 02 2017 20:22 GMT
#308
On August 03 2017 05:14 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 04:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 03 2017 04:30 duke91 wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:08 duke91 wrote:
Is matchmaking with true random or fake random (almost never mirror matches)?

I mean watching JD's stream he played mainly ZvZ and ZvT


Thats not what I meant. If you pick random vs another random, the chances of getting a mirror matchup is 1/2 if it is true random. If you play 1.16, it is something like 1/27 or something like that.

Oh yeah now your question makes more sense. But why 1/2? It should be 1/3, no?


There are 6 matchups. 3 are mirror.


it's 1/3 for true random, non mirrors have a higher chance of happening because there is zvt and tvz instead of just zvz.

Or looking differently at it: Race of first player doesn't matter, 2nd player has 1/3 chance to get same race as 1st player.

Your question is still relevant for both 1/2 and 1/3 vs 1/27 though.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 02 2017 20:23 GMT
#309
It's true random. I see Ret/Larva/Jaedong getting plenty of ZvZ's.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-02 20:28:55
August 02 2017 20:26 GMT
#310
The actual odds of getting a mirror will depend on ladder population right? I assume it's not an even split.

On August 03 2017 05:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
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CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
578 Posts
August 02 2017 21:07 GMT
#311
On August 02 2017 12:21 Nathanias wrote:

I do not act professional on my stream so please do not delude yourselves into thinking off-hand comments are my final opinion on certain matters either. The Remaster is amazing and all the fun parts of the game are still there better than ever, however yeah there's a lot of stuff like the awful pathing etc that will not only keep me but many others from committing to it long-term.

Edit: I would also like to add that I have watched the more recent BW stuff that is on at watchable hours, and I look forward to following whatever scene pops up with Remaster's release. But yeah it's an ancient game and I have too much going on in my life to want to try learning something that might be dead when the hype after a month or two ends.


what kind of stupid backhanded comment is this
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EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1600 Posts
August 02 2017 21:12 GMT
#312
On August 03 2017 05:17 duke91 wrote:
It is the same here because all I care about is whether there is true random vs random or not.

Are you a random player? Care to RvR in a bo##?
fish_radio
Profile Blog Joined March 2017
182 Posts
August 02 2017 21:13 GMT
#313
It's a "I'm always right" mentality
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SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5460 Posts
August 02 2017 21:24 GMT
#314
Since when has matchmaking ever not been true random? Theres never been a bias against mirror matches.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
August 02 2017 21:37 GMT
#315
On August 03 2017 05:26 Ansibled wrote:
The actual odds of getting a mirror will depend on ladder population right? I assume it's not an even split.

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On August 03 2017 05:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
What if it went like this guys?

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Hahaha, that is great. The imagery, oh the sheer imagery.
GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1843 Posts
August 02 2017 21:45 GMT
#316
I think everyone is misunderstanding duke91's question. RvR in BW has always been weird and the chances of getting a mirror matchup with it is really really low. I don't believe this has any impact on getting a mirror matchup in ZvR/TvR/PvR.

For more info: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/413197-few-mirrors-when-both-players-random#18

For the record, I don't know if the random algorithm was changed, might be worth posting on the Blizz forums about it.
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-02 21:55:33
August 02 2017 21:54 GMT
#317
On August 03 2017 05:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 05:14 duke91 wrote:
On August 03 2017 04:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 03 2017 04:30 duke91 wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:08 duke91 wrote:
Is matchmaking with true random or fake random (almost never mirror matches)?

I mean watching JD's stream he played mainly ZvZ and ZvT


Thats not what I meant. If you pick random vs another random, the chances of getting a mirror matchup is 1/2 if it is true random. If you play 1.16, it is something like 1/27 or something like that.

Oh yeah now your question makes more sense. But why 1/2? It should be 1/3, no?


There are 6 matchups. 3 are mirror.

There are 9 possibilities though because ZvT and TvZ isn't the same here.


nevermind, thought about it again you are right. Still in rnd vs rnd, mirror matchups almost never occur.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 02 2017 21:58 GMT
#318
Oh yeah np, your general question is still interesting no matter if it should be 1/2 or 1/3 :D
The question is if people would want it to be true random or not, afaik mirror matchups aren't really popular
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-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-02 22:17:27
August 02 2017 22:17 GMT
#319
lmao how the fuck did a thread about the best BW news in years, by far devolve into yet another sc2 bashing thread
vibeo gane,
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
August 02 2017 22:26 GMT
#320
On August 03 2017 07:17 -NegativeZero- wrote:
lmao how the fuck did a thread about the best BW news in years, by far devolve into yet another sc2 bashing thread

The real answer, in case this question isn't completely rhetorical, is someone posted about how big SC2 streamers were getting beta access over older BW names, and about how a few of said SC2 streamers with beta access actively denigrated BW.

So, given this is a BW subforum, everyone dogpiled those streamers.
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