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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33579 Posts
August 02 2017 18:02 GMT
#281
On August 03 2017 02:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's a generalised opinion across the bw community and there is no problem in expressing it.


yah, it's a pretty awful circlejerk here
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Nathanias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States290 Posts
August 02 2017 18:05 GMT
#282
On August 03 2017 03:02 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 02:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's a generalised opinion across the bw community and there is no problem in expressing it.


yah, it's a pretty awful circlejerk here

Honestly I'm impressed at how few fucks anyone here gives about actually having a conversation. It's literally just people pissing all over SC2 and anyone that doesn't think BW is the holy grail of games. I wanted to give this a chance and see what discussions people were having but it's literally just nonstop whine which I find pretty amazing. I'm glad so many people here also know the intricate details of my life ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
CommentatorNever give up, Never surrender
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
August 02 2017 18:27 GMT
#283
On August 02 2017 17:47 dM-White wrote:
just checked starcraft.com and there is an update set for today "Spotlight: Pre-Purchase Rewards" and would be stupid if we get the nexus/cc/hatch skin in old graphics, maybe we can have beta access for remastered today, and maybe not and there's only more images of the skins... =/

It will probably be HoTS chest, OW chest, Heartstone card pack, DIabo 3 pet, WoW toy and SC2 portrait. The usual stuff.
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
August 02 2017 18:31 GMT
#284
you didn't even try for a conversation, the usual criticism = "whine" as a way to dismiss people expressing an opinion you don't like (oh and agreeing = "circlejerking", superb), great contribution!
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-02 18:36:43
August 02 2017 18:33 GMT
#285
On August 03 2017 03:02 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 02:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's a generalised opinion across the bw community and there is no problem in expressing it.


yah, it's a pretty awful circlejerk here
How mature of you. yah

You disagree with an opnion, but you'll rather be flippant. I don't understand why you have a problem with people expressing opnions contrary to your own. It's dangerous to do so in your position as administrator as the post after yours immediately lept upon your implication of censorship on shakey grounds simply becuase it was you who disagrees.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 02 2017 18:37 GMT
#286
On August 03 2017 03:05 Nathanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 03:02 Waxangel wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's a generalised opinion across the bw community and there is no problem in expressing it.


yah, it's a pretty awful circlejerk here

Honestly I'm impressed at how few fucks anyone here gives about actually having a conversation. It's literally just people pissing all over SC2 and anyone that doesn't think BW is the holy grail of games. I wanted to give this a chance and see what discussions people were having but it's literally just nonstop whine which I find pretty amazing. I'm glad so many people here also know the intricate details of my life ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

There are very few reasonable people in the bw section on TL, this is nothing new.
Well at least of the vocal part.

Though tbf, in the case of you talking about bw it's really a bit one sided here and there from what i have seen. But then again, that's obviously your prerogative
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
August 02 2017 18:39 GMT
#287
On August 03 2017 03:05 Nathanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 03:02 Waxangel wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's a generalised opinion across the bw community and there is no problem in expressing it.


yah, it's a pretty awful circlejerk here

Honestly I'm impressed at how few fucks anyone here gives about actually having a conversation. It's literally just people pissing all over SC2 and anyone that doesn't think BW is the holy grail of games. I wanted to give this a chance and see what discussions people were having but it's literally just nonstop whine which I find pretty amazing. I'm glad so many people here also know the intricate details of my life ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

SCII is a fine game. Blizzard promoted it at the expense of BroodWar. The second one is the one people have a problem with.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-02 18:43:38
August 02 2017 18:42 GMT
#288
haha yeah ppl who post in bw section are just unreasonable man, cause I guess like, they post in the bw forum instead of sc2 (and they play bw :/)
no wait, the vocal ones, yeah if you are not speaking then maybe you're reasonable. Like, shut up. haha
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
August 02 2017 18:42 GMT
#289
On August 03 2017 03:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 03:02 Waxangel wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's a generalised opinion across the bw community and there is no problem in expressing it.


yah, it's a pretty awful circlejerk here
How mature of you. yah

You disagree with an opnion, but you'll rather be flippant. I don't understand why you have a problem with people expressing opnions contrary to your own. It's dangerous to do so in your position as administrator as the post after yours immediately lept upon your implication of censorship on shakey grounds simply becuase it was you who disagrees.


I dunno, I'm about as die hard as BW fans come and this thread reads pretty bad to me. Certainly doesn't have the feel of reasoned discussion, and at times clothes to being outright hostile.

I generally find this forum to be a pretty awesome bunch of people, but some of these SC2 based threads seem to bring out some pretty toxic mindsets...little like that Day9 one a few months ago.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
August 02 2017 18:46 GMT
#290
On August 03 2017 03:42 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
haha yeah ppl who post in bw section are just unreasonable man, cause I guess like, they post in the bw forum instead of sc2 (and they play bw :/)

Tbf he isn't really wrong. Our community here has become way more bitter, unreasonable and butthurt over the last 1-2 years. No clue tho why it's the case. Everything new that happens in the bw scene nowadays will result in drama which is kinda sad
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
August 02 2017 18:48 GMT
#291
idk but maybe some people are just trying to provoke hostility too then you might want to respond
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
August 02 2017 18:52 GMT
#292
On August 03 2017 03:48 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
idk but maybe some people are just trying to provoke hostility too then you might want to respond

Should expressing different opinion lead to hostility ? What if Nathanias thinks that SC2 is better or whatever ? I'm pretty sure that intelligent human beings should be able to accept his opinion and move on. No. In BW forum every mention of SC2 leads to hostility. Pretty sad.
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
August 02 2017 18:59 GMT
#293
not unless the opinion is perceived as dishonest
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada948 Posts
August 02 2017 19:08 GMT
#294
Yeah the overwhelming butthurt here is sad, especially in such exciting times to be a BW fan.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 02 2017 19:17 GMT
#295
On August 03 2017 03:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 03:05 Nathanias wrote:
On August 03 2017 03:02 Waxangel wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's a generalised opinion across the bw community and there is no problem in expressing it.


yah, it's a pretty awful circlejerk here

Honestly I'm impressed at how few fucks anyone here gives about actually having a conversation. It's literally just people pissing all over SC2 and anyone that doesn't think BW is the holy grail of games. I wanted to give this a chance and see what discussions people were having but it's literally just nonstop whine which I find pretty amazing. I'm glad so many people here also know the intricate details of my life ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

There are very few reasonable people in the bw section on TL, this is nothing new.
Well at least of the vocal part.


Though tbf, in the case of you talking about bw it's really a bit one sided here and there from what i have seen. But then again, that's obviously your prerogative

It goes without saying that grouping the whole community together is the wrong thing to do but your call. In that same vein, makes me wonder why you take part in these discussions if you think the majority of vocal posters are unreasonable enough to have a conversation with. I mean, that's a waste of your valuable time, isn't it? Wouldn't it be better spent doing something else?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-02 19:29:27
August 02 2017 19:28 GMT
#296
On August 03 2017 04:17 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 03:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 03 2017 03:05 Nathanias wrote:
On August 03 2017 03:02 Waxangel wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's a generalised opinion across the bw community and there is no problem in expressing it.


yah, it's a pretty awful circlejerk here

Honestly I'm impressed at how few fucks anyone here gives about actually having a conversation. It's literally just people pissing all over SC2 and anyone that doesn't think BW is the holy grail of games. I wanted to give this a chance and see what discussions people were having but it's literally just nonstop whine which I find pretty amazing. I'm glad so many people here also know the intricate details of my life ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

There are very few reasonable people in the bw section on TL, this is nothing new.
Well at least of the vocal part.


Though tbf, in the case of you talking about bw it's really a bit one sided here and there from what i have seen. But then again, that's obviously your prerogative

It goes without saying that grouping the whole community together is the wrong thing to do but your call. In that same vein, makes me wonder why you take part in these discussions if you think the majority of vocal posters are unreasonable enough to have a conversation with. I mean, that's a waste of your valuable time, isn't it? Wouldn't it be better spent doing something else?

In general i am always open to discussion and even if i think that most people here are incredibly unreasonable, there obviously are still other forum users who have interesting perspectives.
But yeah i don't think one qualifies as reasonable when he gets triggered by any mention of sc2, sees ulterior motives/conspiracy theories everywhere and pretends bw is literally perfect and thus equal to the word of god. A lot of people fall into at least one of these categories here.
You are fine though

IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
August 02 2017 19:30 GMT
#297
On August 03 2017 02:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 02:08 duke91 wrote:
Is matchmaking with true random or fake random (almost never mirror matches)?

I mean watching JD's stream he played mainly ZvZ and ZvT


Thats not what I meant. If you pick random vs another random, the chances of getting a mirror matchup is 1/2 if it is true random. If you play 1.16, it is something like 1/27 or something like that.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
August 02 2017 19:34 GMT
#298
On August 03 2017 03:05 Nathanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 03:02 Waxangel wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's a generalised opinion across the bw community and there is no problem in expressing it.


yah, it's a pretty awful circlejerk here

Honestly I'm impressed at how few fucks anyone here gives about actually having a conversation. It's literally just people pissing all over SC2 and anyone that doesn't think BW is the holy grail of games. I wanted to give this a chance and see what discussions people were having but it's literally just nonstop whine which I find pretty amazing. I'm glad so many people here also know the intricate details of my life ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


Then don't come back and never read in here again. No one is forcing you to deal with this community or do anything. It also not like I have heard anything remotely productive from you except bitching about this community. Kinda ironic don't you think?
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 02 2017 19:34 GMT
#299
On August 03 2017 04:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 04:17 BigFan wrote:
On August 03 2017 03:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 03 2017 03:05 Nathanias wrote:
On August 03 2017 03:02 Waxangel wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's a generalised opinion across the bw community and there is no problem in expressing it.


yah, it's a pretty awful circlejerk here

Honestly I'm impressed at how few fucks anyone here gives about actually having a conversation. It's literally just people pissing all over SC2 and anyone that doesn't think BW is the holy grail of games. I wanted to give this a chance and see what discussions people were having but it's literally just nonstop whine which I find pretty amazing. I'm glad so many people here also know the intricate details of my life ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

There are very few reasonable people in the bw section on TL, this is nothing new.
Well at least of the vocal part.


Though tbf, in the case of you talking about bw it's really a bit one sided here and there from what i have seen. But then again, that's obviously your prerogative

It goes without saying that grouping the whole community together is the wrong thing to do but your call. In that same vein, makes me wonder why you take part in these discussions if you think the majority of vocal posters are unreasonable enough to have a conversation with. I mean, that's a waste of your valuable time, isn't it? Wouldn't it be better spent doing something else?

In general i am always open to discussion and even if i think that most people here are incredibly unreasonable, there obviously are still other forum users who have interesting perspectives.
But yeah i don't think one qualifies as reasonable when he gets triggered by any mention of sc2, sees ulterior motives/conspiracy theories everywhere and pretends bw is literally perfect and thus equal to the word of god. A lot of people fall into at least one of these categories here.
You are fine though


Sorry to disappoint but I think BW is perfect lol. I would've figured my many posts and blogs would've conveyed that XD
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 02 2017 19:36 GMT
#300
On August 03 2017 04:30 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2017 02:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 03 2017 02:08 duke91 wrote:
Is matchmaking with true random or fake random (almost never mirror matches)?

I mean watching JD's stream he played mainly ZvZ and ZvT


Thats not what I meant. If you pick random vs another random, the chances of getting a mirror matchup is 1/2 if it is true random. If you play 1.16, it is something like 1/27 or something like that.

Oh yeah now your question makes more sense. But why 1/2? It should be 1/3, no?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
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