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I made a post about how adding cosmetics to Brood War could help grow the player base and exponentially grow the prize pools and infrastructure if they could use the money they would make off skins and reinvest into the Brood War. And it keeps getting auto-removed every time I post it can other people try? Maybe it means they have the thought of adding skins on their minds?
Heres my post if your interested.
Adding skins into Brood War remastered could bring a lot of potential funds and players to the Brood War scene. For example Brood War could adopt the case opening model of Overwatch and have skins for every unit that you could buy straight up or open cases to get. And with the money made from skins / cases you could put that towards Brood War tournaments and infrastructure. You could make special avatars for battle.net users (gif avatars), unit skins, building skins, comestic changes to chat channels, special clan battles. (you could put rare skins on the line) It could bring a lot more attention and popularity to Brood War if a financial system like this could be implemented. And if you worried about unit recognition changing you could have a setting in the options that disables skins for your opponent.
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Sorry I don't want it.It's a gimmick.
I'm seriously reconsidering even buying remastered now.Graphics aren't as clear, unit portraits have been SC2ified and the new version of Terran 1 is pretty mediocre.
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It's a rubbish idea. IMHO Remasters should never be a platform for that sort of DLC content. New campaigns maybe. Cosmetic DLC? No.
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United States12237 Posts
On May 16 2017 13:04 XERX wrote:
I made a post about how adding cosmetics to Brood War could help grow the player base and exponentially grow the prize pools and infrastructure if they could use the money they would make off skins and reinvest into the Brood War. And it keeps getting auto-removed every time I post it can other people try? Maybe it means they have the thought of adding skins on their minds?
Heres my post if your interested.
Adding skins into Brood War remastered could bring a lot of potential funds and players to the Brood War scene. For example Brood War could adopt the case opening model of Overwatch and have skins for every unit that you could buy straight up or open cases to get. And with the money made from skins / cases you could put that towards Brood War tournaments and infrastructure. You could make special avatars for battle.net users (gif avatars), unit skins, building skins, comestic changes to chat channels, special clan battles. (you could put rare skins on the line) It could bring a lot more attention and popularity to Brood War if a financial system like this could be implemented. And if you worried about unit recognition changing you could have a setting in the options that disables skins for your opponent.
The B.net forums have a spam filter that auto-hides posts and triggers from duplicate posts. However, it's also bugged to flag posts that have been edited multiple times as duplicates, resulting in edited posts getting hidden.
That said, you'll never get unit or building skins approved for this game. Stuff external to the game, maybe. Nothing in-game though.
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On May 16 2017 13:30 Chris_Havoc wrote:
It's a rubbish idea. IMHO Remasters should never be a platform for that sort of DLC content. New campaigns maybe. Cosmetic DLC? No.
whats the drawback its only positive
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Dota only has 10 heroes on the map and it's already damn hard to see what's happening in a battle. Imagine 10 types of units amassed to 200/200 each.
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Yea they are deleting threads left and right at the moment (whilst there are threads that only consist of trolling and flaming, which aren't removed). Yesterday my thread about map max ("Cannot create more units"), in which I was as polite and nice as possible was also removed. Last week a friend of mine opened up a thread asking about ICCup and FISH implementation, which was also removed.
I am confused why they are deleting threads at all. Even if they do not like the idea then they could just simply ignore the thread. It is no danger to them. On the other hands they could delete many of the troll threads, but those do not get deleted...
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Playing for cosmetics will ruin your life, who needs the gloves in cs:go? Wtf, weaponskins are enough but now gloves, even if you have the option to disable the graphics, this is just bullshit. It seems that cosmetics are the new big thing the last years, that feels bad, for some kids it must be a nightmare not able to purchase a knife for cs:go or bw-cosmetics, even a boi in my age (30) thought about a knife for 50 - 100 bucks, cmon, seriously? Totally unnecessary and just a pocket filler (money) for companies.
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your thread is there just fine, it's just that the forums sucks balls and you can't see your own threads
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I don't understand how this would be beneficial. The graphics are simple and pretty and battles are easy to understand now, even in BW 1.16. Adding visuals will make it hard to understand battles and gameplay which is the beauty of BW.
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
On May 16 2017 19:53 IntoTheStorm wrote:
I don't understand how this would be beneficial. The graphics are simple and pretty and battles are easy to understand now, even in BW 1.16. Adding visuals will make it hard to understand battles and gameplay which is the beauty of BW.
If they made it client side I wouldn't care. If people want skins for their units, go for it as long as it doesn't confuse the other player.
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"Adding skins into Brood War remastered could bring a lot of potential funds and players to the Brood War scene."
I am really not sure about that. I am even surprised Blizzard tried that with Sc2. In other games like Dota, Overwatch and Hots it makes sense because you are playing one character the whole game, and a lot of players got "deep" connections with some heroes and will throw a ton of money buying skins. Also, for every cool skin, there is 10 garbage, because you won't sell much if every lootbox is full of good shit.
I don't think Broodwar players care about skins, I don't think anyone would play BW just because you can have a Zealot wearing a cowboy hat.
"And if you worried about unit recognition changing you could have a setting in the options that disables skins for your opponent."
I am 100% sure this option is not avaliable in CSGO, Dota2, LOL, hots and Overwatch, and that is for a reason.
At the end of the day, people that play Broodwar do it because is hard, fun, intense, and people won't play it because is also hard and intense, having skins would have 0% impact in my opinions, it would only make the game worse.
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Skins are definitely not a black and white situation. While I'm sure a lot of BW purists wouldn't ever want skins in the game, which I can totally understand, the thing is that they are something that can seriously boost the popularity and funding for a competitive scene as well.
Just look at CS:GO. Skins almost singlehandedly brought that game from being relatively uncared for to its huge status that it has today. The same can be said for other games like Dota 2 with its crowd-funded prizepools that have millions of dollars because of people wanting the cosmetics that come along with it.
Obviously, the downsides are that it can cause clutter for the visibility of the game, and almost every company that has a cosmetic system for their game eventually goes overboard with the ridiculousness of its cosmetics, straying from the core design and look/feel of the game.
If it were somehow possible to provide minimal cosmetics that didn't distract from the game itself too much, I'd definitely welcome them. The issue is that it's impossible for companies like Blizzard or Valve to know the meaning of 'minimal' when it comes to designing cosmetics.
So the question becomes, do you want the scene to potentially become much bigger, or do you want to keep the core design and look/feel of the game the same? It's a tough question, and I don't think there's a clear answer one way or the other.
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Bisutopia19262 Posts
I'm open to it. Currently we don't have to buy anything from blizzard if we want to play pure BW. I'll support any avenue for Blizzard to generate more revenue. I see it this way, if micro-transactions exist then SC:R is still receiving attention from the art and programming team which is great.
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Vatican City State1872 Posts
I think it would be pretty difficult to fit a skin that looked very cool onto a bw unit model, assuming they want it to maintain the same shape/size as before (like with the rest of the remaster units)
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More sprites in the editor would be nice though. I also can't see anything wrong with a minor decal system.
However, the Remaster is built on the old engine, and since they're aiming for cross-compatibility between versions, I'm unsure if such upgrades are even possible.
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France1920 Posts
Anything that mean more BW is good.
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Skins and customization are kinda useless for any serious gamer. But sadly, the casual gamer enjoys this stuff. Everyone seems to be bashing it pretty hard but customization is a big plus for a lot of less-serious gamers. I mean, even I enjoyed playing The Sims back in the day because of the availability of customization. That game was basically sold on that principle and wasn't much more than that.
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I don't really get the hate for this, it is something to think about.
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On May 16 2017 16:25 Akara12345 wrote:
Dota only has 10 heroes on the map and it's already damn hard to see what's happening in a battle. Imagine 10 types of units amassed to 200/200 each.
you could always turn off the skins
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On May 17 2017 04:02 Th1rdEye wrote:
Skins and customization are kinda useless for any serious gamer. But sadly, the casual gamer enjoys this stuff. Everyone seems to be bashing it pretty hard but customization is a big plus for a lot of less-serious gamers. I mean, even I enjoyed playing The Sims back in the day because of the availability of customization. That game was basically sold on that principle and wasn't much more than that.
Exactly its toggle-able for a reason and tons of casual players would be inclined to be more involved in the scene it would grow the Brood War scene significantly.
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Well if we were reasonable and let those skins were only visible for the player with the skin. Now lets say a new skin were released, which during testing seemed fine, but it was later discovered after release that it e.g. made it slightly easier to select an irradiated muta. Now blizzard would be forced to remove the skin (and refund everyone who bought it) or go through a phase of disabling it, spending money, time, and company resources to redesigning the skin. Neither would be optimal for the player who bought it nor blizzard.
Skins matter in starcraft bw when it comes to balance. Either you are fine with a scenario like that where they release a slightly broken skin or you expect blizzard to be flawless.
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On May 17 2017 07:04 XERX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 04:02 Th1rdEye wrote:
Skins and customization are kinda useless for any serious gamer. But sadly, the casual gamer enjoys this stuff. Everyone seems to be bashing it pretty hard but customization is a big plus for a lot of less-serious gamers. I mean, even I enjoyed playing The Sims back in the day because of the availability of customization. That game was basically sold on that principle and wasn't much more than that.
Exactly its toggle-able for a reason and tons of casual players would be inclined to be more involved in the scene it would grow the Brood War scene significantly.
The problem is that nearly every multiplayer game with cosmetics doesn't have an option to toggle them off. The debate has raged across multiple games, but the status quo has not been changed.
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Please not. I already don't like the new skins in starcraft 2. It is too disturbing for me.
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If we get an option to disable the skins I would be 100% in favor of this.
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if and only if they could be turned off
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if they can't be turned off then it literally kills the game. when SC2 added skins and the zergling skin had MASSIVE wings that made 1 ling cover 6 others, i quit since i had to look at health bars instead of units to count them. it was absolutely absurd..
dota 2/league/csgo are fine since you can generally tell and the skins don't interfere.. which is strange given that they have like 10000x more skins than sc2, yet sc2 picked the one skin that completely fucked with zergling visibility.. there HAS to be an option to turn it off...
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I don't mind as long as I can toggle it off, who knows, some skin/skin packs could look great. The shown "aiur nexus" "char hive" and "korhal CC" look quite good to me. Still wonder how they will work, if they just replace all your nexus/hive/CCs, I guess not though, that should look nice^^
definitely want option to turn it off in case smtg doesn't look good or detracts
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Keep the cosmetics out! It sucks
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The only cosmetic I would tolerate is remasterized radio free zerg!
edit : OMG I JUST NOTICED RADIO FREE ZERG ISN'T WORKING ANYMORE!!!! THIEF!!!
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They already have these for preorder and given how much blizzard pushes skins I doubt they will be the last.
![[image loading]](https://bnetproduct-a.akamaihd.net//76/9750707ce50ffc4e6dd20c9b4d5d4d5b-presale-features-v2.jpg)
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^these looks ugly af. Maybe i'm getting old, but I never understood this massive interest in skins the past couple of years...
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They already got an option to turn off the Town Hall skins in the patch 1.19 PTR.
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On July 22 2017 07:44 Weavel wrote:They already have these for preorder and given how much blizzard pushes skins I doubt they will be the last.
those hurt my eyes, particularly the nexus
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also why in the world would a "char hive" look molten? even on char it wouldn't look like that unless it was on top of an active volcano that somehow wasn't covered by creep... they should have done an aiur hive, with like a hive overgrowing a big tree or something.. same with the CC and nexus. like you know how in warcraft 2 they had different building sprites depending on what tileset you're playing on? THAT'S what they should do, it was one of my favorite parts of warcraft 2:
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Why every game has to have "skins" nowadays?
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cause it made the folks over at rito games rich af
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On July 22 2017 08:58 riotjune wrote:
cause it made the folks over at rito games rich af
cause that charge a fucking arm and leg for them, i could get a full set on dota for like 30c, but on league they're like 10$ for decent ones and 20 for good ones, fuck that
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The vast majority of these skins are rubbish with zero artistic integrity. What sense does a Char Hive make on a space platform? None of course, but it will make a few bucks off the people who want to "bling" their account.
That's the problem with these skins. Artistic vision and cohesiveness to the original game are lost to gimmicks and second rate jokes designed to make a few bucks.
By their very nature they're all designed to be eye catchy which also completely screws up the visual harmony of the game.
I really hope Blizzard give us the option to turn this filth off. Even though they will probably force tournaments to leave it on.
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My fear is the low $15 price tag was chosen because they plan to flood the game with skins. 2 years from now brood war might be completely unrecognizable.
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On July 22 2017 09:20 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2017 08:58 riotjune wrote:
cause it made the folks over at rito games rich af cause that charge a fucking arm and leg for them, i could get a full set on dota for like 30c, but on league they're like 10$ for decent ones and 20 for good ones, fuck that
y u no spend money on league sexy skins? mark merrill needs another yacht. wait, didn't they sell the company to the chinese? so some guy over at tencent needs another yacht
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On July 22 2017 11:35 Levque wrote:
My fear is the low $15 price tag was chosen because they plan to flood the game with skins. 2 years from now brood war might be completely unrecognizable.
Or because there was no reason to go for a high price tag
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United States12237 Posts
Skins are cool because they let you customize your stuff and show off to people. It's a prestige thing.
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Japan11286 Posts
Skins shouldn't be much of a problem provided they aren't obnoxious or subtly making gameplay worse (I'm sure you guys can think of more ways than me.)
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I don't think there's much room for skins in BW anyways, especially since they tried so hard to maintain the silhouettes and overall visual looks of the units. They could get away with the Town Halls because, heck, they're very hard to miss at a glance.
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I don't know about you guys but I want my supply depots covered in lava and my vultures looking like toddlers on tricycles.
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You will probably be able to disable your opponents skins (there's an option to disable the pre-order skins in the PTR menu), so there's no downside whatsoever to adding skins.
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It's pretty obvious they're going to introduce skins because the current sprite designs are horrible. I'm 100% on board with higher resolution, but the artwork looks extremely out of place. They'd look pretty nice as 3D textures, but on an old 2D game, it's like someone just copied and pasted some relatively higher quality pictures to it. Too bright and unbearably sharp. Because it's on a 2D engine, it's hard to blend these in with shadows and perspectives. I don't know how I feel about saying this, but for this context, I wish they had gone for a slightly more cartoony approach. So I welcome softer, anime-like colored skins in the future.
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Devs aren't going to change ANYTHING (and shouldn't) regards to gameplay so only thing they can profit from are DLC's such as skins, new campaign etc. I see no problem with them. Only thing I hate are emoticons, hope they won't turn this game into non sense child bs. I want everything remain oldschool and elite.
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On July 22 2017 12:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Skins are cool because they let you customize your stuff and show off to people. It's a prestige thing.
It's not really prestigious if all you need is get gold rank for a skin, but if there was an exclusive skin for getting top 500 in the season, that'd be something...
On July 22 2017 18:26 outscar wrote:
Devs aren't going to change ANYTHING (and shouldn't) regards to gameplay so only thing they can profit from are DLC's such as skins, new campaign etc. I see no problem with them. Only thing I hate are emoticons, hope they won't turn this game into non sense child bs. I want everything remain oldschool and elite.
But without language filter children can see bad words. Also implement reporting system so we can punish toxicity people. A tribunal system would be great so Blizzard don't have to do the work of weeding out bad people themselves and (in)effectively let the player base punish themselves. The real world is full of awful people but this doesn't have to be the real world.
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On July 22 2017 18:26 outscar wrote:
Devs aren't going to change ANYTHING (and shouldn't) regards to gameplay so only thing they can profit from are DLC's such as skins, new campaign etc. I see no problem with them. Only thing I hate are emoticons, hope they won't turn this game into non sense child bs. I want everything remain oldschool and elite.
except for the rebindable hotkeys.. and the aspect ratios....
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Only if I dont have to see it. RTS graphical simplicity is important, as is the fidelity of an experience ive been having since I was six. I dont want stupid, dumb looking golden Command Centers, and I shouldnt be forced to see such a thing just because some ass hat enjoys them. True for skins all together.On July 22 2017 12:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Skins are cool because they let you customize your stuff and show off to people. It's a prestige thing.
Exactly why they're unacceptable. Your experience should not infringe on mine in anyway whatsoever.
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On July 22 2017 21:57 riotjune wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2017 12:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Skins are cool because they let you customize your stuff and show off to people. It's a prestige thing. It's not really prestigious if all you need is get gold rank for a skin, but if there was an exclusive skin for getting top 500 in the season, that'd be something... Show nested quote +On July 22 2017 18:26 outscar wrote:
Devs aren't going to change ANYTHING (and shouldn't) regards to gameplay so only thing they can profit from are DLC's such as skins, new campaign etc. I see no problem with them. Only thing I hate are emoticons, hope they won't turn this game into non sense child bs. I want everything remain oldschool and elite. But without language filter children can see bad words. Also implement reporting system so we can punish toxicity people. A tribunal system would be great so Blizzard don't have to do the work of weeding out bad people themselves and (in)effectively let the player base punish themselves. The real world is full of awful people but this doesn't have to be the real world.
Children can also see tanks mutilating mass armies and aliens with blades attached to their limbs cutting things to shreds. I tend to lean towards putting the onus on parents deciding whether their child (I guess pre teen) should be playing mature online games instead of censoring everyone.
About skins, I don't know. I wouldn't mind buildings having alterations, but units could be off putting.
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But without language filter children can see bad words. Also implement reporting system so we can punish toxicity people. A tribunal system would be great so Blizzard don't have to do the work of weeding out bad people themselves and (in)effectively let the player base punish themselves. The real world is full of awful people but this doesn't have to be the real world. Who cares if children see a bad word? They hear and say them too. Oh no! Heaven forbid! I think I may faint.
As to people being mean to one another, again, who cares? This is an online game. If someone gives you a boo boo on your hearty heart, grow up a little and move on. Either way, the bw community tends to be in their mid 20's to their mid 30's, and its small, and will remain more or less small even after remastered, and will remain primarily older even after, as well. We dont need tribunals to modify peoples behaviour [nor should we be attempting to modify peoples behaviour, this is a fucking video game].
Busy body nonsense wrapped up in hyper sensitivity. Despicable.
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On May 16 2017 13:30 Chris_Havoc wrote:
It's a rubbish idea. IMHO Remasters should never be a platform for that sort of DLC content. New campaigns maybe. Cosmetic DLC? No.
uh, why? it's fucking cosmetic
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On July 23 2017 02:22 paxconsciente wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2017 13:30 Chris_Havoc wrote:
It's a rubbish idea. IMHO Remasters should never be a platform for that sort of DLC content. New campaigns maybe. Cosmetic DLC? No. uh, why? it's fucking cosmetic
As far as BW Purists goes, im one of the more staunch on not changing anything, but skins literally do nothing. Idgaf if they add them in for every unit, its not even hurting anything
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If you can turn they off why not.
There was a lot of mods to do this back in SC1 and BW. You could only see them yourself. So hey... i remember the "flying saucer" carriers 
Didn't find the FS but... i found this one :p
![[image loading]](http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab207/CCFQuelex/CC%20Mods/closecombat2.gif)
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I'll eat an entire baguette if they add more skins into SC:R
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