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[KT Giga Legends Match] They Have Returned!

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[KT Giga Legends Match] They Have Returned!

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November 25th, 2016 00:39 GMT
Gigamatch
Several years ago, the curtain came down on the professional BW scene with the last OSL. Many held out hoping that the BW scene can be revived and that we can be once again blessed with high level games played by our favourite players. Fast forward several years and the scene has been slowly rebuilding itself. We've had many players also return to our game and have witnessed first-hand their attempts at climbing the fish ladder among other feats. Will the scene ever reach the same peak? Only time will tell, however, we were recently treated to something that felt inconceivable only a while back: TaekBangLeeSsang!

If you don't know about TaekBangLeeSsang at this point, feel free to brush up by reading many of the articles written about these players and their famous rivalry or just check out our BW liquipedia for a quick lesson. When the legends match commenced this past Saturday, old rivalries were ignited as each player fought for their rightful place at the top!

Though we were only treated to several matches, this is just the start! All of these players have decided to participate in the qualifiers for the upcoming ASL. Depending on the final outcome, this could be one of the most hyped BW tournament to date! For now, sit back, relax and read on for a recap of all the games played this past Saturday by SC2John and FlaShFTW.

 

Jaedong vs Stork- Semifinal 1

Python (Top/Left):
The first map of the tournament was on an old classic, Python. However, with the current standard, and having close-ground spawns, this was going to be an interesting game. Most notably the naturals on Python are much larger, and thus harder to wall, compared to the modern-era maps. We'll see this play out later in the game. Stork, obviously out of practice, defaulted to the old PvZ standard of Corsair/DT. The lack of early game pressure allowed Jaedong to comfortably take a third base and climb up the tech tree as his economy exploded.

A few clever ling maneuvers resulted in Jaedong picking off a stray zealot and Stork’s first DT while a single pair of scourge reigned the skies and kept Stork’s corsairs pinned back. Without any sort of pressure on the map, Stork was running out of time. Suddenly, 18 hydras came knocking on his front door. Without any defenses, the natural fell swiftly and “gg” was called.

FlaSh vs Bisu- Semifinal 2

Fighting Spirit (Left Vertical):
Both players opened with safe, standard expands. FlaSh made a small adjustment and built a few extra marines for an early push, but Bisu’s dragoon count was already high enough to deflect the push with ease. Taking control of the map and expanding to the third, Bisu made a sprint toward arbiter tech, but FlaSh knew something was up.

Without warning, FlaSh began to mobilize long before he had a critical mass of siege tanks. Just before arbiters were out, Flash attacked into Bisu’s natural with a decent-sized mech army. With only a handful of dragoons and few gateways, it looked like a timing attack victory for Flash but Bisu kept his cool. A few good zealot bombs and mine drags cut the mech army in half and damaged most of the tanks. Flash decided to try a cute runby with vultures into the third base, but Bisu deflected it and cleaned up the remaining push with reinforcements.


THE Push

Suddenly the tables were turned, and a great recall into Flash’s main base all but sealed the victory. A crippled Flash could only sit and watch as Bisu’s gigantic army fueled by four bases swarmed into his natural and delivered the death blow. Of note, FlaSh didn't manage to take out a nexus and only took out a handful of probes. He, himself, cut SCVs to fuel this semi all-in attack and could not continue producing from his factories. Having lost most of his tank force, he had little defense for the counter.

Stork vs Flash- 3rd Place Match

Destination (Standard):
Flash played this showmatch with a bit of an unorthodox twist. Instead of the patient macro machine, we saw much more FanTaSy-esque drop play from Flash. Some early game vulture/tank drops kept Stork pinned back but were unable to deal any significant damage to the Protoss economy. Unable to find a hole in Stork’s defenses, Flash settled back on his third base and began to macro up an army. Notably, both FlaSh and Stork opted for the mineral-only expansions, deeming it too dangerous to take the further gas bases.

Stork sent his first arbiter to the Terran main base while distracting Flash with a small group of zealots, but Flash was too quick. In a disastrous turn of events, Stork recalled his entire army into Flash’s main base where tanks were already set up to absorb the blow. This proved to be the turning point as Flash retaliated with a slow push into the choke by Stork’s fourth base and decimated the remnants of his army. Stork attempted a few counterattacks to push the Terran back, but with a mech army knocking on the door of his expansion, he found himself trapped in his base and unable to sustain against Flash’s methodical siege.


Jaedong vs Bisu- Finals

Game 1- Circuit Breaker (Cross Positions):
Bisu decided to go with the standard early game harass with a handful of zealots and a probe, but some excellent ling micro prevented Jaedong from taking any damage. In fact, Jaedong managed to stabilize well enough to deflect Bisu’s speedlot/corsair timing attack, but a clever corsair “runby” allowed Bisu to pick off several unprotected overlords and thwart Jaedong’s counterattack with a single DT.

Jaedong switched into mutas as the swarm swung into high gear. Through some sort of voodoo, Bisu snuck a large contingent of zealots and high templar past the mutalisks and into Jaedong’s third base. Unfortunately for him, Jaedong was just a hair too quick and saved his hatchery with only critical health remaining.


Clutch Save

The Tyrant’s revenge was swift and deadly. Zerg units poured into Bisu’s third, wave after wave, until finally overrunning Bisu’s army and laying waste to his bases.

Game 2- Destination (Standard):
The game started off like a standard PvZ. Jaedong dealt with an annoying zealot harassing his drones in his natural. Bisu dealt with a few pesky jaedong lings in his main base that seemed like they would give him an early win. Both players had, more or less, full information on each other and were going toe to toe into the mid game otherwise.

When Jaedong moved across the map with his somewhat predictable hydra/ling attack, Bisu again swooped in behind the units and picked off nearly half a dozen overlords. But it didn’t stop there. Bisu’s corsairs ripped through another half dozen overlords while DTs streamed across the map and danced around Jaedong’s forces. After being picked apart by Bisu’s trademark composition, Jaedong was forced to tap out without much of a fight.

Game 3- Eye of the Storm(Cross Positions):
Like the previous games, the early game was defined largely by small micro skirmishes between lings and zealots. With some outstanding scourge micro, Jaedong drove back the initial corsairs with ease and began to transition into mutalisks but he wasn’t prepared for Bisu’s followup +1 zealot rush.

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Eight zealots walked into Jaedong’s third before the sunkens were complete. Completely unprepared for this aggression, Jaedong had to sacrifice several drones in defense before amassing enough lings to take on the zealots. However, the +1 attack upgrade proved to be far too strong as Bisu’s zealots shred the lings in a matter of seconds. Even with a decent amount of mutalisks out, losing the third base was too big of a blow to Jaedong’s economy. Bisu took the stage with a pleased look, but it was clear that this was only the beginning of a new age rivalry between the greats!

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Writers: SC2John, FlaShFTW, BigFan
Graphics: v1
Editors: BigFan, c3rberUs
Photo Credits: DailyEsports
 
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Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Espartaquen
Profile Joined September 2015
88 Posts
November 25 2016 01:02 GMT
#2
Never watched a game of Brood War, but this review just convinced me to go and start watching the legends at their original game, thanks!
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3343 Posts
November 25 2016 01:06 GMT
#3
Great games and great write up! I feel like it s 2009 again!
Horang2 fan
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2219 Posts
November 25 2016 01:07 GMT
#4
i missed reading this kind of stuff for bw the last few years T_T
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covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
November 25 2016 01:20 GMT
#5
Any vods?
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
November 25 2016 01:24 GMT
#6
On November 25 2016 10:02 Espartaquen wrote:
Never watched a game of Brood War, but this review just convinced me to go and start watching the legends at their original game, thanks!


It's a beautiful game, always worth watching some high level play.
Zest fanboy.
HyralGambit
Profile Joined February 2014
2439 Posts
November 25 2016 01:44 GMT
#7
On November 25 2016 10:20 covetousrat wrote:
Any vods?

Passion overcomes corporate stupidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX9hbbA-WP4#t=4h2m
HyralGambit
Profile Joined February 2014
2439 Posts
November 25 2016 01:46 GMT
#8
On November 25 2016 10:02 Espartaquen wrote:
Never watched a game of Brood War, but this review just convinced me to go and start watching the legends at their original game, thanks!

You might want to check out the recent Bisu vs Flash game they played on stream:

Passion overcomes corporate stupidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX9hbbA-WP4#t=4h2m
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
November 25 2016 01:57 GMT
#9
Thanks
alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
November 25 2016 02:03 GMT
#10
bw feels like every unit has "weight", it's hard to describe but it makes watching close games gut wrenching and tense! bisu vs flash was amazing!!
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SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5411 Posts
November 25 2016 02:17 GMT
#11
I've been trying to keep up with the BW revival but didn't notice Stork playing a lot again? I was impressed with his game vs. flash. good play for being out of shape for a few years? is it confirmed he's practicing again?
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 25 2016 02:22 GMT
#12
On November 25 2016 11:03 alexpnd wrote:
bw feels like every unit has "weight", it's hard to describe but it makes watching close games gut wrenching and tense! bisu vs flash was amazing!!

I know exactly what you mean...
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noname_
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
456 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-25 03:31:11
November 25 2016 03:28 GMT
#13
Nice read! I always enjoyed these kind of battle reports!
On the Flash vs Bisu game:
The early push was a probing attack, if Bisu would have taken the 3rd base earlier instead going for a robo and 3gates, it could have worked.
The attack which hit right when the arbiter came out was done insanely well, the mine laying, the pushing, turret building was all done great. It turned out eventually that protoss infratsturcture is cheaper, and you can`t go head to head with production facilites with the protoss in these kind of situations at least.
Flash vs Stork:
Constantly mining the counter-attack route of the protoss had great significance. The obs guy showed this, so much repsect to him, he always showed what was important.
+ Show Spoiler [blabla] +

Suddenly the tables were turned, and a great recall into Flash’s main base all but sealed the victory

Have some decency wirters! A great recall? A plauge can be great, a well placed EMP rocket on a nexus which has a red pointer on it can be great, multiple dwebs paralyzing all can ground units be great, blinding all observers on the map can be great, cloning 12 bcs to yamato can be great, hell even a stasis can be great (okay, it can`t be :p), but a recall? The only great recall I know is when the arbiter is just able to recall before it`s death, and it lands on a great minefield. I`d award the great attribue to actions which are hard to pull off. Recalling, storming (well excpet for some mu-dang storms) stasising, swarming, irradiating don`t qualify.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10044 Posts
November 25 2016 03:38 GMT
#14
watching the vods right now :D

i always hear how Bisu changed the game (PvZ), is there a vod of one of those 1st games?
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
HyralGambit
Profile Joined February 2014
2439 Posts
November 25 2016 03:52 GMT
#15
On November 25 2016 12:38 Topin wrote:
watching the vods right now :D

i always hear how Bisu changed the game (PvZ), is there a vod of one of those 1st games?


First the context:



Then, the moment PvZ changed forever (2007-03-03):




Passion overcomes corporate stupidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX9hbbA-WP4#t=4h2m
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28084 Posts
November 25 2016 05:09 GMT
#16
Best article banner and front page image ever
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10095 Posts
November 25 2016 06:48 GMT
#17
WERE BACK BOYS!

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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-25 07:39:44
November 25 2016 07:39 GMT
#18
On November 25 2016 12:52 HyralGambit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2016 12:38 Topin wrote:
watching the vods right now :D

i always hear how Bisu changed the game (PvZ), is there a vod of one of those 1st games?


First the context:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r6F120K20Y#t=20m19s

Then, the moment PvZ changed forever (2007-03-03):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKOJ_GhYYgo#t=23m45s




Everytime sometime post this final.... i get angry. Fucking Bisu...
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ankurra
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany46 Posts
November 25 2016 08:15 GMT
#19
Oh this feels all good again!
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
494 Posts
November 25 2016 08:41 GMT
#20
On November 25 2016 14:09 TheEmulator wrote:
Best article banner and front page image ever

Clicked on it and thought it was about those K pop girls...
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10107 Posts
November 25 2016 09:41 GMT
#21
Does morphing lair really do anything to help save the hatchery? The health stays the same until the lair finishes... Is there some sort of armor bonus or something?

I realize that the lair will add health when it finishes making that hatchery harder to snipe in the future, but there am I right in thinking that it does nothing until then?
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RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
November 25 2016 10:10 GMT
#22
On November 25 2016 11:03 alexpnd wrote:
bw feels like every unit has "weight", it's hard to describe but it makes watching close games gut wrenching and tense! bisu vs flash was amazing!!

Except for Scouts and Ghosts.
+ Show Spoiler +
(Just joking, I have actually seen these units being used with a good purpose in a game once)
Zera
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania716 Posts
November 25 2016 12:01 GMT
#23
On November 25 2016 19:10 RoomOfMush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2016 11:03 alexpnd wrote:
bw feels like every unit has "weight", it's hard to describe but it makes watching close games gut wrenching and tense! bisu vs flash was amazing!!

Except for Scouts and Ghosts.
+ Show Spoiler +
(Just joking, I have actually seen these units being used with a good purpose in a game once)


Scouts are great for BM'ing. TATATATATA
JD fanboy. #FPPS
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-25 14:16:27
November 25 2016 13:54 GMT
#24
On November 25 2016 21:01 Zera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2016 19:10 RoomOfMush wrote:
On November 25 2016 11:03 alexpnd wrote:
bw feels like every unit has "weight", it's hard to describe but it makes watching close games gut wrenching and tense! bisu vs flash was amazing!!

Except for Scouts and Ghosts.
+ Show Spoiler +
(Just joking, I have actually seen these units being used with a good purpose in a game once)


Scouts are great for BM'ing. TATATATATA

Funny thing: in the final between fantasy and jangbi(iam 99% sure) jangbi went for an early scout(expansion first) and this vod had english text, the korean commentators started to talk about jangi bm'ed fantasy
noname_
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
456 Posts
November 25 2016 14:14 GMT
#25
On November 25 2016 18:41 Jealous wrote:
Does morphing lair really do anything to help save the hatchery? The health stays the same until the lair finishes... Is there some sort of armor bonus or something?

I realize that the lair will add health when it finishes making that hatchery harder to snipe in the future, but there am I right in thinking that it does nothing until then?

You are right. It doesn`t do anything until it`s done. But if I remember correctly, JD canceled the lair after Bisu lost vision on the area, tricking his foe.
IntoTheStorm
Profile Blog Joined October 2016
116 Posts
November 25 2016 14:32 GMT
#26
This even was awesome.
I just wish Jangbi would be back as well, I loved his playstyle back in the day. And Fantasy, definitely Fantasy.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES49886 Posts
November 25 2016 14:37 GMT
#27
both are in the army right now, jangbi should be back sometime next year.
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RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
November 25 2016 14:50 GMT
#28
I think this one is rather fitting:
+ Show Spoiler +
Zera
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania716 Posts
November 25 2016 15:32 GMT
#29
On November 25 2016 23:37 BLinD-RawR wrote:
both are in the army right now, jangbi should be back sometime next year.


Somebody said that Fantasy is doing his service as a policeman and is currently playing in Fish.
JD fanboy. #FPPS
MifuneKinski
Profile Joined April 2011
United States42 Posts
November 25 2016 19:19 GMT
#30
On November 25 2016 10:46 HyralGambit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2016 10:02 Espartaquen wrote:
Never watched a game of Brood War, but this review just convinced me to go and start watching the legends at their original game, thanks!

You might want to check out the recent Bisu vs Flash game they played on stream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WftsDpbNwM



Thanks for the recommendation - such a sick game. Multiple fights all over the map - shifting strategy based on game situation. Just awesome
mangomango
Profile Joined September 2009
United States265 Posts
November 25 2016 19:32 GMT
#31
Artosis did not "predict" Bisu to win so he dodged the curse and won. And what is it that Day9's brother said about "things to come in 2017" that they can't talk about? Could it be a major push to revive the BW scene with the release of a refreshed BW Classic (runs on Win 10) etc...from Blizzard? It still needs access to at least 8 cores to keep up with Flash. The vod had that old time tingle down the spine feel to it. Hope it's a great year for Broodwar.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 25 2016 20:32 GMT
#32
On November 25 2016 10:02 Espartaquen wrote:
Never watched a game of Brood War, but this review just convinced me to go and start watching the legends at their original game, thanks!

glad to hear it, you won't be disappointed ^^
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16836 Posts
November 25 2016 22:38 GMT
#33
On November 25 2016 14:09 TheEmulator wrote:
Best article banner and front page image ever

nugu girls man... nugu girls

nice article doe!
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BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-26 07:02:01
November 26 2016 02:45 GMT
#34
Does anyone else just get excited that even though sc2 is on the fall, the original is on the comeback. You just can't stop Starcraft
Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia551 Posts
November 26 2016 07:20 GMT
#35
Amazing stuff! :D
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
November 26 2016 08:41 GMT
#36
I missed this.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2260 Posts
November 26 2016 09:29 GMT
#37
On November 26 2016 00:32 Zera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2016 23:37 BLinD-RawR wrote:
both are in the army right now, jangbi should be back sometime next year.


Somebody said that Fantasy is doing his service as a policeman


Let me guess...anti-terrorist unit?
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4149 Posts
November 26 2016 10:27 GMT
#38
On November 26 2016 04:32 mangomango wrote:
Artosis did not "predict" Bisu to win so he dodged the curse and won. And what is it that Day9's brother said about "things to come in 2017" that they can't talk about? Could it be a major push to revive the BW scene with the release of a refreshed BW Classic (runs on Win 10) etc...from Blizzard? It still needs access to at least 8 cores to keep up with Flash. The vod had that old time tingle down the spine feel to it. Hope it's a great year for Broodwar.

Idk, I think that's a bit presumptuous. It's probably just ASL has plans for Brood War and they're a part of it. I don't think Blizzard would spill their guts to them this early, when it's not even announced yet.
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DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
November 26 2016 10:34 GMT
#39
This was so freaking hype even watching the VOD's. Can't believe I had to miss this live T_T !!!
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10095 Posts
November 26 2016 15:29 GMT
#40
On November 26 2016 18:29 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2016 00:32 Zera wrote:
On November 25 2016 23:37 BLinD-RawR wrote:
both are in the army right now, jangbi should be back sometime next year.


Somebody said that Fantasy is doing his service as a policeman


Let me guess...anti-terrorist unit?

Hes actually a double agent, using police respurces to build his custom jim raynor vulture with infinite mines
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MoonyD
Profile Joined December 2013
Australia191 Posts
November 26 2016 21:49 GMT
#41
It's great to see BW slowly making a comeback. Can anyone link back to 'when' the revival of SC:BW started? Because I still recall when everyone thought SC2 would be the future, seeing as Kespa ditched BW for SC2, but then somehow through the support of fans and sponsors BW made a comeback and now it seems to be growing once again.
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HyralGambit
Profile Joined February 2014
2439 Posts
November 26 2016 21:57 GMT
#42
On November 27 2016 06:49 MoonyD wrote:
It's great to see BW slowly making a comeback. Can anyone link back to 'when' the revival of SC:BW started? Because I still recall when everyone thought SC2 would be the future, seeing as Kespa ditched BW for SC2, but then somehow through the support of fans and sponsors BW made a comeback and now it seems to be growing once again.

There was no revival because Brood War never went away.

Some key moments in the last 5 years:

Bisu began streaming Brood War on Afreeca in September 2013
Bisu vs hero SSL2014 finals back in early 2014.
EffOrt streaming on Afreeca in 2015.
Flash streaming on Afreeca early this year.

And all the recent notable tournaments (esp the OGN SSL2015):
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Leagues/Notable_Tournaments
Passion overcomes corporate stupidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX9hbbA-WP4#t=4h2m
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66145 Posts
November 26 2016 22:21 GMT
#43
just watched all the games, man those games were sick, especially JD vs Bisu on destination, god that was NUTS
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
November 27 2016 02:01 GMT
#44
On November 25 2016 12:28 noname_ wrote:
Nice read! I always enjoyed these kind of battle reports!
On the Flash vs Bisu game:
The early push was a probing attack, if Bisu would have taken the 3rd base earlier instead going for a robo and 3gates, it could have worked.
The attack which hit right when the arbiter came out was done insanely well, the mine laying, the pushing, turret building was all done great. It turned out eventually that protoss infratsturcture is cheaper, and you can`t go head to head with production facilites with the protoss in these kind of situations at least.

I honestly think that Flash had it in the bag. But he did the "cute" vulture run by and let his tanks die. Tanks are the backbone of a push and can't be replenished right away. I'm pretty sure more than 9/10 times, Flash would have closed that out.
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11285 Posts
November 27 2016 02:37 GMT
#45
On November 27 2016 11:01 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2016 12:28 noname_ wrote:
Nice read! I always enjoyed these kind of battle reports!
On the Flash vs Bisu game:
The early push was a probing attack, if Bisu would have taken the 3rd base earlier instead going for a robo and 3gates, it could have worked.
The attack which hit right when the arbiter came out was done insanely well, the mine laying, the pushing, turret building was all done great. It turned out eventually that protoss infratsturcture is cheaper, and you can`t go head to head with production facilites with the protoss in these kind of situations at least.

I honestly think that Flash had it in the bag. But he did the "cute" vulture run by and let his tanks die. Tanks are the backbone of a push and can't be replenished right away. I'm pretty sure more than 9/10 times, Flash would have closed that out.

I think what happened was that FlaSh knew the push doomed (there was a grand total of like 3 tanks left) and decided to sidestep to deal some eco damage.
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4121 Posts
November 27 2016 02:39 GMT
#46
On November 27 2016 11:37 c3rberUs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2016 11:01 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On November 25 2016 12:28 noname_ wrote:
Nice read! I always enjoyed these kind of battle reports!
On the Flash vs Bisu game:
The early push was a probing attack, if Bisu would have taken the 3rd base earlier instead going for a robo and 3gates, it could have worked.
The attack which hit right when the arbiter came out was done insanely well, the mine laying, the pushing, turret building was all done great. It turned out eventually that protoss infratsturcture is cheaper, and you can`t go head to head with production facilites with the protoss in these kind of situations at least.

I honestly think that Flash had it in the bag. But he did the "cute" vulture run by and let his tanks die. Tanks are the backbone of a push and can't be replenished right away. I'm pretty sure more than 9/10 times, Flash would have closed that out.

I think what happened was that FlaSh knew the push doomed (there was a grand total of like 3 tanks left) and decided to sidestep to deal some eco damage.


I think even if the vultures stayed it wouldn't have made a difference it was only 3. The key was right first when Flash attacked the zealot bomb took out like 3 tanks. If his turrets had finished 3 secs earlier he would have held.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11285 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-27 02:54:36
November 27 2016 02:54 GMT
#47
On November 27 2016 11:39 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2016 11:37 c3rberUs wrote:
On November 27 2016 11:01 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On November 25 2016 12:28 noname_ wrote:
Nice read! I always enjoyed these kind of battle reports!
On the Flash vs Bisu game:
The early push was a probing attack, if Bisu would have taken the 3rd base earlier instead going for a robo and 3gates, it could have worked.
The attack which hit right when the arbiter came out was done insanely well, the mine laying, the pushing, turret building was all done great. It turned out eventually that protoss infratsturcture is cheaper, and you can`t go head to head with production facilites with the protoss in these kind of situations at least.

I honestly think that Flash had it in the bag. But he did the "cute" vulture run by and let his tanks die. Tanks are the backbone of a push and can't be replenished right away. I'm pretty sure more than 9/10 times, Flash would have closed that out.

I think what happened was that FlaSh knew the push doomed (there was a grand total of like 3 tanks left) and decided to sidestep to deal some eco damage.


I think even if the vultures stayed it wouldn't have made a difference it was only 3. The key was right first when Flash attacked the zealot bomb took out like 3 tanks. If his turrets had finished 3 secs earlier he would have held.

Yeah, FlaSh probably thought he should do some eco-damage to hinder the followup counter Bisu could do (he didn't have any other option than to die there or die later to a large army.)
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 27 2016 17:23 GMT
#48
Fml, how did I miss this... Gonna watch the VOD now. Tastosis commentary, sweet!
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5588 Posts
November 27 2016 21:32 GMT
#49
I just saw the vod. Enjoyed every single second and minute of this.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19208 Posts
November 28 2016 02:11 GMT
#50
Bisu threw game 1 versus Jaedong (for a second I thought Jaedong was back in form), but then Bisu completely outplayed him in games 2 and 3. Flash played very poorly all around and I'm very surprised he almost placed 4th.
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Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-30 03:42:44
November 30 2016 02:28 GMT
#51
OH MY GOSH I'M SO HAPPY MY SCREEN NAME JUST BECAME VERY HAPPY :D SCREW HOMEWORK SCREW SLEEP!!! MY SIGNATURE IS EVER RELEVANT EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN UNTOUCHED FOR YEARS!!!! <3

also it's so hard not reading spoilers

also even though it's just for sponsors, it's weird seeing kt on Bisu

On November 28 2016 11:11 BisuDagger wrote:
Bisu threw game 1 versus Jaedong (for a second I thought Jaedong was back in form), but then Bisu completely outplayed him in games 2 and 3. Flash played very poorly all around and I'm very surprised he almost placed 4th.

i stopped reading after the 1st sentence and i thought bisu lost the series. but yeah bisu's so on point :D his 2nd game was unreal
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
November 30 2016 13:35 GMT
#52
I feel like they need more stuff like this. I'll try to catch the VODs.
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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 06 2016 01:54 GMT
#53
Does the Afreeca player work for you guys live? I all see when I try to watch is a blank screen.
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