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classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-20 18:27:15
August 20 2016 18:26 GMT
#21
On August 20 2016 22:38 BisuDagger wrote:
You guys are using statistics, hah. Stats mean nothing to AlphaGo.

That doesn't make sense.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
August 20 2016 19:06 GMT
#22
On August 21 2016 03:26 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2016 22:38 BisuDagger wrote:
You guys are using statistics, hah. Stats mean nothing to AlphaGo.

That doesn't make sense.

Bisudagger is being tongue-in-cheek.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10561 Posts
August 20 2016 20:12 GMT
#23
On August 21 2016 02:49 sabas123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 02:00 B-royal wrote:
Hero wasn't even after the bunker rush. It wasn't a textbook defense either because he lost 7 drones. Afterwards he was left with 6 drones versus around 16 scvs. Next hero somewhat does a comeback move by killing 6 scvs due to sea's sloppy micro.

For the rest, nice write-up. Shame there's no zerg left.

So much this, I don't understand why people think he was ahead.

we're not saying he was ahead... if you read the article, we say that he made a good comeback with killing a ton of SCVs with his lings made early... thats why we said hes EVEN, not AHEAD...
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zyce
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States649 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-20 20:24:50
August 20 2016 20:24 GMT
#24
Damn, great post. Hopefully there'll be more and more people tuning in once they figure out that this is the best thing to happen to them in years. Those game reports are really spot-on, great to see that. Thank you!
Beauty is not the goal of competitive sports, but high-level sports are a prime venue for the expression of human beauty. The relation is roughly that of courage to war.
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-20 21:48:19
August 20 2016 21:47 GMT
#25
On August 21 2016 05:12 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 02:49 sabas123 wrote:
On August 21 2016 02:00 B-royal wrote:
Hero wasn't even after the bunker rush. It wasn't a textbook defense either because he lost 7 drones. Afterwards he was left with 6 drones versus around 16 scvs. Next hero somewhat does a comeback move by killing 6 scvs due to sea's sloppy micro.

For the rest, nice write-up. Shame there's no zerg left.

So much this, I don't understand why people think he was ahead.

we're not saying he was ahead... if you read the article, we say that he made a good comeback with killing a ton of SCVs with his lings made early... thats why we said hes EVEN, not AHEAD...


He isn't even even imo, even + Show Spoiler +
more evens :D
after killing 6 scvs. He was out of the game, and that move put him back in the running for a chance to win. Also, why is it called a textbook defense then?
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7022 Posts
August 20 2016 21:55 GMT
#26
On August 21 2016 06:47 B-royal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 05:12 FlaShFTW wrote:
On August 21 2016 02:49 sabas123 wrote:
On August 21 2016 02:00 B-royal wrote:
Hero wasn't even after the bunker rush. It wasn't a textbook defense either because he lost 7 drones. Afterwards he was left with 6 drones versus around 16 scvs. Next hero somewhat does a comeback move by killing 6 scvs due to sea's sloppy micro.

For the rest, nice write-up. Shame there's no zerg left.

So much this, I don't understand why people think he was ahead.

we're not saying he was ahead... if you read the article, we say that he made a good comeback with killing a ton of SCVs with his lings made early... thats why we said hes EVEN, not AHEAD...


He isn't even even imo, even + Show Spoiler +
more evens :D
after killing 6 scvs. He was out of the game, and that move put him back in the running for a chance to win. Also, why is it called a textbook defense then?

is just a low lvl understanding,doesnt matter anyway,i was pretty sure hero was so dead but somehow he made magic blocking the marine.hero wasnt suposed to hold this,he did and it was awesome but he was behind.when hero was in even position like in Circuit Breakers the story was totally different.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-21 01:50:43
August 21 2016 01:49 GMT
#27
On August 21 2016 02:00 B-royal wrote:
Hero wasn't even after the bunker rush. It wasn't a textbook defense either because he lost 7 drones. Afterwards he was left with 6 drones versus around 16 scvs. Next hero somewhat does a comeback move by killing 6 scvs due to sea's sloppy micro.

For the rest, nice write-up. Shame there's no zerg left.


I appreciate the feedback! I'm still pretty new to BW, so it looked like a better situation than it actually was to me. I guess I'm used to SC2 Zerg, where if you defend against a bunker rush and keep your hatch, you're miles ahead because you can just pump out 20+ drones in less than 2 minutes.

Either way, it was a pretty miraculous hold, imo.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
August 21 2016 02:09 GMT
#28
On August 21 2016 10:49 SC2John wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 02:00 B-royal wrote:
Hero wasn't even after the bunker rush. It wasn't a textbook defense either because he lost 7 drones. Afterwards he was left with 6 drones versus around 16 scvs. Next hero somewhat does a comeback move by killing 6 scvs due to sea's sloppy micro.

For the rest, nice write-up. Shame there's no zerg left.


I appreciate the feedback! I'm still pretty new to BW, so it looked like a better situation than it actually was to me. I guess I'm used to SC2 Zerg, where if you defend against a bunker rush and keep your hatch, you're miles ahead because you can just pump out 20+ drones in less than 2 minutes.

Either way, it was a pretty miraculous hold, imo.

Agreed, the fact that he survived and even fought back showed his incredible strength. Also really enjoying your addition to our writing team
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B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
August 21 2016 03:16 GMT
#29
On August 21 2016 10:49 SC2John wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 02:00 B-royal wrote:
Hero wasn't even after the bunker rush. It wasn't a textbook defense either because he lost 7 drones. Afterwards he was left with 6 drones versus around 16 scvs. Next hero somewhat does a comeback move by killing 6 scvs due to sea's sloppy micro.

For the rest, nice write-up. Shame there's no zerg left.


I appreciate the feedback! I'm still pretty new to BW, so it looked like a better situation than it actually was to me. I guess I'm used to SC2 Zerg, where if you defend against a bunker rush and keep your hatch, you're miles ahead because you can just pump out 20+ drones in less than 2 minutes.

Either way, it was a pretty miraculous hold, imo.


No worries. Hope to read more of your articles in the future.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
August 21 2016 18:15 GMT
#30
3-1 for FlaSh or 3-0.

No way FlaSh looses on Fighting spirit or Circuit breaker
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 22 2016 04:02 GMT
#31
Less than 6 hours before Flash and Last clash! Hype!!!!!
LR thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/513057-asl-ro8-flash-vs-last
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10561 Posts
August 22 2016 04:45 GMT
#32
On August 21 2016 06:55 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:47 B-royal wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:12 FlaShFTW wrote:
On August 21 2016 02:49 sabas123 wrote:
On August 21 2016 02:00 B-royal wrote:
Hero wasn't even after the bunker rush. It wasn't a textbook defense either because he lost 7 drones. Afterwards he was left with 6 drones versus around 16 scvs. Next hero somewhat does a comeback move by killing 6 scvs due to sea's sloppy micro.

For the rest, nice write-up. Shame there's no zerg left.

So much this, I don't understand why people think he was ahead.

we're not saying he was ahead... if you read the article, we say that he made a good comeback with killing a ton of SCVs with his lings made early... thats why we said hes EVEN, not AHEAD...


He isn't even even imo, even + Show Spoiler +
more evens :D
after killing 6 scvs. He was out of the game, and that move put him back in the running for a chance to win. Also, why is it called a textbook defense then?

is just a low lvl understanding,doesnt matter anyway,i was pretty sure hero was so dead but somehow he made magic blocking the marine.hero wasnt suposed to hold this,he did and it was awesome but he was behind.when hero was in even position like in Circuit Breakers the story was totally different.

i think he had many opportunities to come back in this game. he needed to pull the trigger but he played too scared.
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kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
September 12 2016 01:11 GMT
#33
I dont understand why hero was behind after the defense of the bunker rush, because he had like 8 drones against 17 SCVs, (around 2:07:15 on the Afreeca video you can count them) yes, but he had:
8 lings against 2 marines and a floating rax
A gas against none
2 bases against one and the CC not even had started
Map control so could drone up fast from the two hatcheries and catch up on the worker count, which he did.

So imho (of a low d player) Army + map control + gas + two bases > temporarily greater worker count. What did i miss here, if i missed something?
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