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On July 07 2016 01:21 lestye wrote:I think thats common, the old art isnt high quality anymore. I've seen so many WC3 tourneys use WoW art too.
That's really stupid. SC2 itself is not pulling anymore. Giving it BW title may attract people to it as seeing something on old on top again, like a click bait. SC2 can't fulfill that role.
. So here we are in a situation where terms are agreed upon between the sponsor and us. Suddenly, we are informed that Blizzard (yes, Blizzard) has demanded this Sunday's selection ceremony can only be streamed my tastless and artosis. We have been instructed by Blizzard, who has shown no interests in SC1 for half a decade, to not stream because they want their SC2 casters to perform the cast in a studio. Blizzard has barred us from casting the players we love this Sunday and xkcd and I from making additional money this Sunday. We are expected to sit back and watch the casting archon cast this event. So I'm just incredibly frustrated.
This is the like the ultimate form of assholness, dickness, bullshtting anyone can think of.
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On July 07 2016 11:02 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 10:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 07 2016 10:14 BisuDagger wrote:On July 07 2016 02:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I think Tastosis casting this is great. Not that i don't appreciate all the work the 'tl catsers' did here, but at the end of the day tastosis are professional casters who are better at it (maybe not knowledge wise, not sure about that).
It's also good for the potential sc2 audience. Looking forward to it! We are still paid casters for this. And I do like to consider myself a professional SC1 caster. I have been an official/paid/sponsor endorsed English caster for the past four major tournaments over the past two years. You know what i mean (hopefully). Tastosis literally have no other job than casting games, that's not the case for you. You have other stuff to do which means less time to actually work on casting, etc Pls don't take this the wrong way, i am absolutely happy that you guys did what you did (and still do!), but i am also happy that tastosis are casting this on the gsl stream because i am sure that their involvement speaks to a broader audience for various reasons. Sure I get that and I am okay with what you are saying. Here is the perspective from our end in two parts. The money: This is a paid gig. And yes I am a professional simulations engineer so I do not need this money to put food on the table. But my co-caster xkcd is still in college. Every cast helps him a long way in extra cash. So for him, this potentially does help put food on the table. So here we are in a situation where terms are agreed upon between the sponsor and us. Suddenly, we are informed that Blizzard (yes, Blizzard) has demanded this Sunday's selection ceremony can only be streamed my tastless and artosis. We have been instructed by Blizzard, who has shown no interests in SC1 for half a decade, to not stream because they want their SC2 casters to perform the cast in a studio. Blizzard has barred us from casting the players we love this Sunday and xkcd and I from making additional money this Sunday. We are expected to sit back and watch the casting archon cast this event. So I'm just incredibly frustrated. The passion: It would at least feel better if we knew the casting Archon was doing this because they wanted to instead of doing it because Blizzard holds their wallet. They wouldn't be casting these tournaments except Blizzard demanded that they did. We actually had the support of the Afreeca sponsors as they argued for us to be the sole Vant SL casters because they appreciate our passion for casting. Blizzard told them they had have them on. This is 100% true too. And finally, during the VANT starleague finals the casting Archon didn't even acknowledge our existence while we spent part of stream cheering them on and sending people in their direction to check them out.
I don't quite understand why blizzard wouldn't allow you to cast the selection ceremony but the rest is ok? Makes little sense to me.
I disagree completely with your "passion" argument though. It's their job and while i actually think that they still like bw quite a lot (tasteless talks about it every other cast) at the end of the day it's a money thing.
Afreeca probably wanted you to be the sole casters because you are cheaper, at least that's what i would suspect. Tastosis probably didn't even know that there was a second stream going on.
I can understand your frustration, but at the same time i think some ideas here are a bit on the wishfull thinking side of things. Just keep doing it because you love it, other incentives are probably unrealistic though.
On July 07 2016 20:06 Wrath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 01:21 lestye wrote:On July 06 2016 20:39 Dingodile wrote:
bw tournament but sc2 banner? I think thats common, the old art isnt high quality anymore. I've seen so many WC3 tourneys use WoW art too. That's really stupid. SC2 itself is not pulling anymore. Giving it BW title may attract people to it as seeing something on old on top again, like a click bait. SC2 can't fulfill that role.
It is aesthetically more pleasing art, can we not be ridiculous?
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On July 07 2016 12:50 GTR wrote:
because he's salty he lost the last two major leagues and doesn't want to lose to flash
are you ygosuer??? =P
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On July 06 2016 18:43 GTR wrote:
Tastosis just announced they will do ALL of the ASL from the Ro16 onward on the GSL stream just now.
Wasn't going to watch, but now I definitely will. That's awesome!
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On July 07 2016 11:02 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 10:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 07 2016 10:14 BisuDagger wrote:On July 07 2016 02:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I think Tastosis casting this is great. Not that i don't appreciate all the work the 'tl catsers' did here, but at the end of the day tastosis are professional casters who are better at it (maybe not knowledge wise, not sure about that).
It's also good for the potential sc2 audience. Looking forward to it! We are still paid casters for this. And I do like to consider myself a professional SC1 caster. I have been an official/paid/sponsor endorsed English caster for the past four major tournaments over the past two years. You know what i mean (hopefully). Tastosis literally have no other job than casting games, that's not the case for you. You have other stuff to do which means less time to actually work on casting, etc Pls don't take this the wrong way, i am absolutely happy that you guys did what you did (and still do!), but i am also happy that tastosis are casting this on the gsl stream because i am sure that their involvement speaks to a broader audience for various reasons. Sure I get that and I am okay with what you are saying. Here is the perspective from our end in two parts. The money: This is a paid gig. And yes I am a professional simulations engineer so I do not need this money to put food on the table. But my co-caster xkcd is still in college. Every cast helps him a long way in extra cash. So for him, this potentially does help put food on the table. So here we are in a situation where terms are agreed upon between the sponsor and us. Suddenly, we are informed that Blizzard (yes, Blizzard) has demanded this Sunday's selection ceremony can only be streamed my tastless and artosis. We have been instructed by Blizzard, who has shown no interests in SC1 for half a decade, to not stream because they want their SC2 casters to perform the cast in a studio. Blizzard has barred us from casting the players we love this Sunday and xkcd and I from making additional money this Sunday. We are expected to sit back and watch the casting archon cast this event. So I'm just incredibly frustrated. The passion: It would at least feel better if we knew the casting Archon was doing this because they wanted to instead of doing it because Blizzard holds their wallet. They wouldn't be casting these tournaments except Blizzard demanded that they did. We actually had the support of the Afreeca sponsors as they argued for us to be the sole Vant SL casters because they appreciate our passion for casting. Blizzard told them they had have them on. This is 100% true too. And finally, during the VANT starleague finals the casting Archon didn't even acknowledge our existence while we spent part of stream cheering them on and sending people in their direction to check them out.
I wouldn't blame tastosis for not giving a shoutout. Maybe Blizzard wanted them to not mention you too?
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On July 08 2016 07:49 duke91 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 11:02 BisuDagger wrote:On July 07 2016 10:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 07 2016 10:14 BisuDagger wrote:On July 07 2016 02:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I think Tastosis casting this is great. Not that i don't appreciate all the work the 'tl catsers' did here, but at the end of the day tastosis are professional casters who are better at it (maybe not knowledge wise, not sure about that).
It's also good for the potential sc2 audience. Looking forward to it! We are still paid casters for this. And I do like to consider myself a professional SC1 caster. I have been an official/paid/sponsor endorsed English caster for the past four major tournaments over the past two years. You know what i mean (hopefully). Tastosis literally have no other job than casting games, that's not the case for you. You have other stuff to do which means less time to actually work on casting, etc Pls don't take this the wrong way, i am absolutely happy that you guys did what you did (and still do!), but i am also happy that tastosis are casting this on the gsl stream because i am sure that their involvement speaks to a broader audience for various reasons. Sure I get that and I am okay with what you are saying. Here is the perspective from our end in two parts. The money: This is a paid gig. And yes I am a professional simulations engineer so I do not need this money to put food on the table. But my co-caster xkcd is still in college. Every cast helps him a long way in extra cash. So for him, this potentially does help put food on the table. So here we are in a situation where terms are agreed upon between the sponsor and us. Suddenly, we are informed that Blizzard (yes, Blizzard) has demanded this Sunday's selection ceremony can only be streamed my tastless and artosis. We have been instructed by Blizzard, who has shown no interests in SC1 for half a decade, to not stream because they want their SC2 casters to perform the cast in a studio. Blizzard has barred us from casting the players we love this Sunday and xkcd and I from making additional money this Sunday. We are expected to sit back and watch the casting archon cast this event. So I'm just incredibly frustrated. The passion: It would at least feel better if we knew the casting Archon was doing this because they wanted to instead of doing it because Blizzard holds their wallet. They wouldn't be casting these tournaments except Blizzard demanded that they did. We actually had the support of the Afreeca sponsors as they argued for us to be the sole Vant SL casters because they appreciate our passion for casting. Blizzard told them they had have them on. This is 100% true too. And finally, during the VANT starleague finals the casting Archon didn't even acknowledge our existence while we spent part of stream cheering them on and sending people in their direction to check them out. I wouldn't blame tastosis for not giving a shoutout. Maybe Blizzard wanted them to not mention you too?
Lol, you just made my day. AmazingXKCD was really broken up about it. It's like casting with a sad puppy now.
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Lol at the day when BW needs a broader audience that is coming from SC2, SC2 doesnt exist in Korea (just being funded by Blizz to sustain the scene, and with small group of fans) and those SC2 foreigners fans who are declining fast too are not going to move to watch BW suddenly, btw the money that is going to be pay to Artosis and Tasteless should go to the prizepool because it is really small and let the community casters do the job.
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Blizzard doing some shitty moves? Doesn't surprise me at all to be honest.
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That Afreeca Logo though
EDIT : This is amazing 
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On July 08 2016 14:43 Lucumo wrote:
Blizzard doing some shitty moves? Doesn't surprise me at all to be honest.
yep, the fkers from blizzard killed BW intentionally to force people to like their new shit, but the shit died because... well because its shit. They killed such great pro scene and left nothing afterwards. Ruined progamers dreams and ambitions and betrayed all the fans. Progamers started to retire crushing fans hearts and people withdrew from sc2, just a few new people were interested. Bizzard morons probably thought ''OH we failed, koreans are not so stupid and can actually see how crappy is our new product is compared to the original. We couldve kept sc1 alive and get money from it in korea. Well then, lets mess with the remnants of bw and continue to plague fans with our shit."
having tastosis cast is super great, but restricting others to cast is bitch move. As if bd and xkcd will steal their viewers...
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Who still expects anything different from blizzard? They're not the company they used to be. I haven't bought a blizzard product since WoW vanilla and Sc2 WoL and will continue to do so.
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Can someone please tell me who is who? Thanks in advance 
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On July 07 2016 11:02 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 10:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 07 2016 10:14 BisuDagger wrote:On July 07 2016 02:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I think Tastosis casting this is great. Not that i don't appreciate all the work the 'tl catsers' did here, but at the end of the day tastosis are professional casters who are better at it (maybe not knowledge wise, not sure about that).
It's also good for the potential sc2 audience. Looking forward to it! We are still paid casters for this. And I do like to consider myself a professional SC1 caster. I have been an official/paid/sponsor endorsed English caster for the past four major tournaments over the past two years. You know what i mean (hopefully). Tastosis literally have no other job than casting games, that's not the case for you. You have other stuff to do which means less time to actually work on casting, etc Pls don't take this the wrong way, i am absolutely happy that you guys did what you did (and still do!), but i am also happy that tastosis are casting this on the gsl stream because i am sure that their involvement speaks to a broader audience for various reasons. Sure I get that and I am okay with what you are saying. Here is the perspective from our end in two parts. The money: This is a paid gig. And yes I am a professional simulations engineer so I do not need this money to put food on the table. But my co-caster xkcd is still in college. Every cast helps him a long way in extra cash. So for him, this potentially does help put food on the table. So here we are in a situation where terms are agreed upon between the sponsor and us. Suddenly, we are informed that Blizzard (yes, Blizzard) has demanded this Sunday's selection ceremony can only be streamed my tastless and artosis. We have been instructed by Blizzard, who has shown no interests in SC1 for half a decade, to not stream because they want their SC2 casters to perform the cast in a studio. Blizzard has barred us from casting the players we love this Sunday and xkcd and I from making additional money this Sunday. We are expected to sit back and watch the casting archon cast this event. So I'm just incredibly frustrated. The passion: It would at least feel better if we knew the casting Archon was doing this because they wanted to instead of doing it because Blizzard holds their wallet. They wouldn't be casting these tournaments except Blizzard demanded that they did. We actually had the support of the Afreeca sponsors as they argued for us to be the sole Vant SL casters because they appreciate our passion for casting. Blizzard told them they had have them on. This is 100% true too. And finally, during the VANT starleague finals the casting Archon didn't even acknowledge our existence while we spent part of stream cheering them on and sending people in their direction to check them out.
.... and because of this i boycott the tastosis stream, hope you guys can still stream the games.....
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but i dont understand something here .. Tastosis team is working for afreeca,so why in the first place afreeca is getting bisu/ama to stream anyway,and i dont understand at all blizzard informing them this,shouldnt be afreeca the one deciding who the hell is casting this?a bit of the same with the last season where in the last moment afreeca put tastosis to cast the final ;; and not like im complaining it was f*cking awesome to have them,they are good casters,they were good players.but it doesnt make much sense what afreeca is doing here -.- .
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Im actually really surprised that Blizzard still interacts in Broodwar. I would really like to know how many of the former broodwar development team still work for Blizzard. I believe that the number is close to 0, so in theory the current company doesnt have any involvement in the product. But ok theory.. and reality... :D
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On July 08 2016 22:48 Bakuryu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 11:02 BisuDagger wrote:On July 07 2016 10:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 07 2016 10:14 BisuDagger wrote:On July 07 2016 02:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I think Tastosis casting this is great. Not that i don't appreciate all the work the 'tl catsers' did here, but at the end of the day tastosis are professional casters who are better at it (maybe not knowledge wise, not sure about that).
It's also good for the potential sc2 audience. Looking forward to it! We are still paid casters for this. And I do like to consider myself a professional SC1 caster. I have been an official/paid/sponsor endorsed English caster for the past four major tournaments over the past two years. You know what i mean (hopefully). Tastosis literally have no other job than casting games, that's not the case for you. You have other stuff to do which means less time to actually work on casting, etc Pls don't take this the wrong way, i am absolutely happy that you guys did what you did (and still do!), but i am also happy that tastosis are casting this on the gsl stream because i am sure that their involvement speaks to a broader audience for various reasons. Sure I get that and I am okay with what you are saying. Here is the perspective from our end in two parts. The money: This is a paid gig. And yes I am a professional simulations engineer so I do not need this money to put food on the table. But my co-caster xkcd is still in college. Every cast helps him a long way in extra cash. So for him, this potentially does help put food on the table. So here we are in a situation where terms are agreed upon between the sponsor and us. Suddenly, we are informed that Blizzard (yes, Blizzard) has demanded this Sunday's selection ceremony can only be streamed my tastless and artosis. We have been instructed by Blizzard, who has shown no interests in SC1 for half a decade, to not stream because they want their SC2 casters to perform the cast in a studio. Blizzard has barred us from casting the players we love this Sunday and xkcd and I from making additional money this Sunday. We are expected to sit back and watch the casting archon cast this event. So I'm just incredibly frustrated. The passion: It would at least feel better if we knew the casting Archon was doing this because they wanted to instead of doing it because Blizzard holds their wallet. They wouldn't be casting these tournaments except Blizzard demanded that they did. We actually had the support of the Afreeca sponsors as they argued for us to be the sole Vant SL casters because they appreciate our passion for casting. Blizzard told them they had have them on. This is 100% true too. And finally, during the VANT starleague finals the casting Archon didn't even acknowledge our existence while we spent part of stream cheering them on and sending people in their direction to check them out. .... and because of this i boycott the tastosis stream, hope you guys can still stream the games.....
they still get to stream the games.
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On July 08 2016 23:24 Basti1 wrote:
Im actually really surprised that Blizzard still interacts in Broodwar. I would really like to know how many of the former broodwar development team still work for Blizzard. I believe that the number is close to 0, so in theory the current company doesnt have any involvement in the product. But ok theory.. and reality... :D
They interact with tournaments which have a prizepool larger than 10k because at that point you need a license to host it.
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On July 08 2016 23:24 Basti1 wrote:
Im actually really surprised that Blizzard still interacts in Broodwar. I would really like to know how many of the former broodwar development team still work for Blizzard. I believe that the number is close to 0, so in theory the current company doesnt have any involvement in the product. But ok theory.. and reality... :D
gotta maximize your profit no matter what
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On July 08 2016 22:04 SonnyC wrote:Can someone please tell me who is who? Thanks in advance
Newbie here? Left to right:
1 - Last, Jaehoon, Effort, Best
2 - Mind, Sea, Free, Mong
3 - Flash, Larva, Sharp, Hero
4 - Ssak (who didn't fit)
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