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Foreigner Event Ranking: September 2015

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GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
September 28 2015 15:02 GMT
#1
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Full List on Google Drive, almost ranked players in italics


Events added: TLC 7 - 10, German Nation Wars, Nation War Week 1 - 3, Defiler 72, Defiler Special


In the past six months, shortly before the TLCs rebooted foreign tournaments, the Elo Ratings were a bit fluctuating. Several players went up by a lot, others faced a rapid downfall. For instance Peruvian (Wiki)Terror droped from a near-Top 10 rank down to the middle field, while ex-Templar (Wiki)Naugrim went up.

By now the points started to get somewhat stable. The leadership is taken by (Wiki)trutaCz - at least when the Teamliquid events are considered. However, in terms of absolute points (Wiki)Gargoyle remains "unbeaten". The Terran only partook in the Defiler Special events and the Nation Wars; in those his biggest rivals were other Russian speakers, such as Lancer, Flisk and most notably Djem5. It's still very hard to say whether or not the Terran could maintain his top position if he was to face the top notch foreigners more frequently, e.g. by playing in the TLCs, or meeting them in other (long) Best of Distances.

Anyhow, back to the point distribution. It seems that the second half of this year introduced three "new" top playesr to the field: Djem5, vOddy and - for now - Naugrim. Every other player could be found in the high 1300 ranks at least once... not this trio. Naugrim just left the area of less than 30 games and is slowly making his way up. vOddy and Djem5, mostly due to their results in the most recent tournaments, cemented their position.

Other notable re-entries were dsaqwe and dRaW, who returned from a tournament inactivity in the past two months. In contrast to other players, such as (Wiki)Ramms, they apparently did not lose momentum. Actually dRaW reached a peak Elo number after placing second in the Defiler Tournament, temporarily surpassing the 1400 line.

Now for some explanations. As can be seen in Gargoyle's case, some of the ranking might be skewed. Similar to Gargoyle, werdum only participated in Russian events. As a consequence, he mostly faced the same players again and again. It seems as if his skill is slightly biased - he just might have ~50 points more than usual. The data hints that this represents some momentary high.
Other than that, a couple of inactive top players retunred and lost points. Their current ranking might not be resembled by their current Elo. Michael for instance lost a few points in the last Defiler tournament, but defeated a number of good players. Other examples would be Ramms, ZZZero and Southpark. They most definitely are not too close to their old form - yet.


The circles

It seems we start to get a picture. Players ranked with more than 1350 points are usually found among the last eight in any given tournament. Our leading circle would thus be:

1. trutaCz
2. Marwin
3. dRaW
4. Djem5
5. eOnzErG

Close but no cigar would be dsaqwe and vOddy. If vOddy has a good day, he might beat any of the other players of the Top 5. dsaqwe seems similar, but also has the higher variance in points. Anything is possible.

After those seven players, the ones with more than 1220 points are usually kick anyone below quite convincingly, if the distance is better than the TLC standard of Bo1. Players in that area are:

werdum, Bakuryu, Julia, flisk, Dandy, Naugrim, Lancerx, Tama, Dragon and funNy

Others listed in the table (but not in this topic) had too little games to give some statement. A notable case is the Lithuanian ytOng, who is about to get ranked. He rarely plays in events, if he does, he uses a smurf. He can mostly be found in Defiler Tours and/or ICCup ranking tournaments. However, he beats top class players (Elo 1150++) with a ~60% win ratio.

Anyone in between 1100 and 1220 points isn't really an event favourite. However, if those play the ordinary ladder players with (old ICCup) ranks of B- and lower, they're clear favourites. Please note how even strong players like KogeT, sas.non and Radley are just slightly better than 1100. This doesn't mean they're bad, it just means they're not stable enough (win ratio of 66% and better) against the top circle players.


Interesting Players / Trends

The "Anything can happen" award goes to eOnzErG. He managed to drop to a 1200 rating and climb back to 1400 in just six events. His ratio goes up and down, pure chaos - hence the "fifth" place in the circle thing. In reality he is third after Gargoyle and trutaCz. However, I have doubts that he maintains that, he could as well plummet or lead the next month.

The best newcomers are Naugrim and remag. Naugrim started to beat good players regularly and seems to not really have a "weak" match up. remag on the other hand can literally beat anyone, but Protoss. Knowing him from the German team, this is no big surprise - he loathes the match up. Whoops, there goes another secret.

The biggest fall by now is Julia. Despite his furious comments about how everything is to blame but himself, he started to lose points - a lot even. He fell from 1430 points down to less than 1300.
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tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
September 28 2015 17:50 GMT
#2
Amazing work Gecko. It makes following the foreign even more interesting when we have these monthly rankings and analyses of yours. I stopped playing a long time ago so i have no idea really about the players besides what i see in defiler, TLC and so on.

Russia has all these strong and mysterious terran players. Gargoyle, spx, Ramms, TTF etc. I hope we get to see more of them. I remember Ramms had some of the best TvZ in the foreigner scene. It's nice if he's coming back. Spx have done pretty well in TLC so far, getting to the finals in TLC 4. I wish him further luck. What about Largo? Is he still competitive?

JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
September 28 2015 17:55 GMT
#3
nice article!

The "Anything can happen" award goes to eOnzErG. He managed to drop to a 1200 rating and climb back to 1400 in just six events. His ratio goes up and down, pure chaos - hence the "fifth" place in the circle thing. In reality he is third after Gargoyle and trutaCz. However, I have doubts that he maintains that, he could as well plummet or lead the next month.

The biggest fall by now is Julia. Despite his furious comments about how everything is to blame but himself, he started to lose points - a lot even. He fell from 1430 points down to less than 1300.


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FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-28 18:10:52
September 28 2015 17:56 GMT
#4
good shit man, i enjoy reading about this stuff. keep it up

I notice that from the last ranking, the average rank is now much higher, does that mean that people are gaining points just by playing and the ranks will continue to increase? Or just that a bunch of people im not looking at lost points lol
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GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
September 28 2015 18:29 GMT
#5
On September 29 2015 02:56 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
good shit man, i enjoy reading about this stuff. keep it up

I notice that from the last ranking, the average rank is now much higher, does that mean that people are gaining points just by playing and the ranks will continue to increase? Or just that a bunch of people im not looking at lost points lol


Point inflation is a thing, that's bound to happen. There are always a few players without ranking joining, those are "estimated" at 1000 automatically. Right now 1000 points is about a C+ rank in the old ICCup system - at least that's what I guess, 1100 points would be a somewhat high B- (6800++ points). Now, if a D+ player joins, he'll most likely lose against someone with a rating better than 900 points - which is the vast majority of the regular event players. Most newcomers ARE worse than 900 points, without wanting to offend anyone. Hence the increase in the top ranks. If we had enough influx, the 1200 people would slowly go to 1300, the 1400 to 1500 and so on and so forth.

The system in between 2012 and 2014 was only somewhat stagnating, because the majority of games was taken from Defiler.ru. With ICCup Events and TLC more new players joined, even though the numbers weren't sooo high. It's as big as it's gonna get, I guess. I don't see any player who could really maintain a 80%+ win ratio against EVERY other player. If someone was good enough to keep 1550 points or more in the long run (with the current user base), he'd be the next Sziky.
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
September 28 2015 20:18 GMT
#6
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
September 28 2015 22:42 GMT
#7
Thanks for this gecko! Gargoyle fighting!
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castleeMg
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada777 Posts
September 28 2015 23:26 GMT
#8
8-30 #66 lol gg -_-
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trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
September 29 2015 09:43 GMT
#9
i donno how it works but why no sziky here but michael in top 10 who wasnt playing for 2 years or something ? ^_^
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AmatistA
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany113 Posts
September 29 2015 13:17 GMT
#10
On September 29 2015 18:43 trutaCz wrote:
i donno how it works but why no sziky here but michael in top 10 who wasnt playing for 2 years or something ? ^_^


good point! btw good job
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Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1768 Posts
September 29 2015 13:29 GMT
#11
yay voddy
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sasvorti00
Profile Joined January 2013
Hungary90 Posts
September 29 2015 14:28 GMT
#12
what the fuck?
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6782 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 16:23:54
September 29 2015 16:22 GMT
#13
Is sziky excluded ? He has won tournaments left and right to be top 1 oo, at the same time my list of games is up to 400 so this mean it counts since a long time right? So yeah why no sziky :/ also gargoyle as rank 1 is crazy :d ,he tends to compete only in mini tours and tours for russians,but yeah he is pretty good when he is active.
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
September 29 2015 17:11 GMT
#14
Michael played in the last Defiler tour, no?
http://defiler.ru/tourney/?t=431

Sziky is excluded from the ranking, because he hasn't played any games.
trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 17:45:34
September 29 2015 17:43 GMT
#15
Its kinda ridicolous that a Michael who hasnt been playing for 2 years came up play one tournament and is taking a spot in top10 o-o


Ok i'm maybe wrong since it's monthly ranking, but if its monthly then why there are stats with all games, not only the games from current month?
yo~.~
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
September 29 2015 18:55 GMT
#16
it's this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/493077-foreigner-elo-ranks-2012-2015

updated for September

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