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In an interview Flash was asked:
How do you feel about SC2 progamers retiring and returning to BW on Afreeca? Is that something you would consider?
Flash: Hmmm, well, I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing. I don’t know about streaming on Afreecatv but I do intend on playing BW again later on. A lot of fans are wanting that from me.
Fantastic news! We cant wait to see you play Brood War again Lee Young Ho.
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Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/485254-flash-interview-unedited
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Flash has probably accumulated quite a lot of cash but Afreeca with his star power is a lucrative opportunity one is unwilling to let go.
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Oh-my-god
Dreams are coming true. :D
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Even though it doesn't mean anything, still best news of 2015, lol.
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Flash should return to bw a year or so before joining the army. He is still 22 and has lots of years to be succesful in sc2. I hope he wouldnt consider returning to bw soon, that would suck for me at least.
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hypuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111111111
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Would be really cool if he came back and competed in an OGN BW tournament. He might just mean a couple dumb show matches, though.
It would be interesting if he thought streaming, especially on Afreeca, was a little below him (or below people's image of him). Lots of people might think they want to see Flash streaming BW in his PJs, but I think there's something to be said for maintaining his super star image.
Maybe we will actually get to see him play another race or play random, like his glory day interviews suggested keke.
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oh wow would be so cool to see flash back in bw 
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On May 12 2015 18:28 kogeT wrote:
Oh-my-god
Dreams are coming true. :D
Oh-My-Flash :D
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Flash BW stream would be a cash cow like no other
If LP is correct, Shuttle made $21,000 a month at some point in 2013...and Shuttle is Shuttle, whereas Flash is...flash. I imagine he'll give SC2 a few more years (??) and then cash out the BW fame as long as he can...maybe sooner, who knows
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There are like 2 threads with this info why make another one?
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This is just purely awesome, I hope a lot of foreigners starts to play BW again also. And i DO HOPE BW takes over SC2 when it comes to competitive scene and sponsors. But that's just my hope n dreams
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On May 12 2015 22:19 Starecat wrote:
There are like 2 threads with this info why make another one?
Because this thread is specifically about Flash one day streaming BW on afreeca. I don't know if you go on the sc2 forum but talking about BW doesn't go to well there... imo anyway. So having a separate thread is appropriate.
also, pressuring works! Fans want Flash in bw 
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hehe yes i read that too. However, the answers in the interview were very much stiff, cautious progamer asnwers. I wouldn't give to much about it. I believe it when he tells this to Lilsusie in an interview (;
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all the fans of BW
delighted
flash's SC2 fans
disappointed
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
pissing his pants
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On May 12 2015 23:03 JieXian wrote:
all the fans
delighted
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
fears the worst
Didn't Bisu beat Flash the last time they played?
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On May 12 2015 23:04 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 23:03 JieXian wrote:
all the fans
delighted
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
fears the worst Didn't Bisu beat Flash the last time they played?
:D My point was that there really isn't any top class bw pros around atm at who were at Bisu's level during the Kespa era (JD, Flash, fantasy, jangbi, stork)
Besides,
Their current head-to-head score is 14-10 in favor of Flash.
Also think about the tournament prizes he has been grabbing :D
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On May 12 2015 23:07 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 23:04 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 12 2015 23:03 JieXian wrote:
all the fans
delighted
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
fears the worst Didn't Bisu beat Flash the last time they played? :D My point was that there really isn't any top class bw pros around atm at who were at Bisu's level during the Kespa era (JD, Flash, fantasy, jangbi, stork) Besides, Also think about the tournament prizes he has been grabbing :D
 JangBi still plays
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Croatia9517 Posts
On May 12 2015 20:59 Chef wrote:
It would be interesting if he thought streaming, especially on Afreeca, was a little below him (or below people's image of him). Lots of people might think they want to see Flash streaming BW in his PJs, but I think there's something to be said for maintaining his super star image.
Well, after squashing Zergs in real life on stream, it seems like he'll fit right in with the Afreeca's philosophy.
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On May 12 2015 23:03 JieXian wrote:
all the fans of BW
delighted
flash's SC2 fans
disappointed
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
pissing his pants
Hm as a sc2 fan I'm actually not disappointed. Flash will still try hard in sc2 for years, but I think it's great if he plays more BW at the end of his career before he joins the military! Would love to see that and watch it for sure! Might just be that Jaedong does the same, since although he didn't mention BW, he did say that he wants to compete in Korea again before he retires. How epic would that be if both played BW again at the same time .
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It'd be interesting to see him participate in SSL 12-13.
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On May 12 2015 23:16 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 23:07 JieXian wrote:On May 12 2015 23:04 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 12 2015 23:03 JieXian wrote:
all the fans
delighted
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
fears the worst Didn't Bisu beat Flash the last time they played? :D My point was that there really isn't any top class bw pros around atm at who were at Bisu's level during the Kespa era (JD, Flash, fantasy, jangbi, stork) Besides, Their current head-to-head score is 14-10 in favor of Flash. Also think about the tournament prizes he has been grabbing :D JangBi still plays
yea but unless I'm missing something he wasn't the Jangbi he was right?
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On May 12 2015 23:07 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 23:04 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 12 2015 23:03 JieXian wrote:
all the fans
delighted
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
fears the worst Didn't Bisu beat Flash the last time they played? :D My point was that there really isn't any top class bw pros around atm at who were at Bisu's level during the Kespa era (JD, Flash, fantasy, jangbi, stork) Besides, Also think about the tournament prizes he has been grabbing :D
Ahem, EffOrt
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On May 13 2015 00:57 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 23:07 JieXian wrote:On May 12 2015 23:04 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 12 2015 23:03 JieXian wrote:
all the fans
delighted
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
fears the worst Didn't Bisu beat Flash the last time they played? :D My point was that there really isn't any top class bw pros around atm at who were at Bisu's level during the Kespa era (JD, Flash, fantasy, jangbi, stork) Besides, Their current head-to-head score is 14-10 in favor of Flash. Also think about the tournament prizes he has been grabbing :D Ahem, EffOrt
Yes, forgot about him :D
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Finally. You see, it just took some time before Brood War had a resurge. It's so good.
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On May 13 2015 01:10 slytown wrote:
Finally. You see, it just took some time before Brood War had a resurge. It's so good.
Good things come to those who wait.
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This is really exciting news
By then he'll probably be Lee Old Ho.
Sorry, I had to.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On May 13 2015 00:01 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 20:59 Chef wrote:
It would be interesting if he thought streaming, especially on Afreeca, was a little below him (or below people's image of him). Lots of people might think they want to see Flash streaming BW in his PJs, but I think there's something to be said for maintaining his super star image. Well, after squashing Zergs in real life on stream, it seems like he'll fit right in with the Afreeca's philosophy.
and i got depressed 
jaedong come save afreeca zergs
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Can confirm, Flash is coming back to BW in a few months probably.
By. clan insider
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My inner BW fanboyism that I try to not release and keep it in constant restrain cannot hold out much longer.......
FLASH.... BW.... 2015?!!?
Also that dora the explorer song above my post describe my feelings too.
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On May 12 2015 22:35 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 22:19 Starecat wrote:
There are like 2 threads with this info why make another one? Because this thread is specifically about Flash one day streaming BW on afreeca. I don't know if you go on the sc2 forum but talking about BW doesn't go to well there... imo anyway. So having a separate thread is appropriate. also, pressuring works! Fans want Flash in bw
I find it to be quite the opposite. Brood War fans tend to rage when SC2 is mentioned at all.
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On May 13 2015 03:02 HeyImFinn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 22:35 Deathstar wrote:On May 12 2015 22:19 Starecat wrote:
There are like 2 threads with this info why make another one? Because this thread is specifically about Flash one day streaming BW on afreeca. I don't know if you go on the sc2 forum but talking about BW doesn't go to well there... imo anyway. So having a separate thread is appropriate. also, pressuring works! Fans want Flash in bw I find it to be quite the opposite. Brood War fans tend to rage when SC2 is mentioned at all.
For good reason.
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GET ON THE FUCKING HYPE TRAIN
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On May 13 2015 03:11 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 03:02 HeyImFinn wrote:On May 12 2015 22:35 Deathstar wrote:On May 12 2015 22:19 Starecat wrote:
There are like 2 threads with this info why make another one? Because this thread is specifically about Flash one day streaming BW on afreeca. I don't know if you go on the sc2 forum but talking about BW doesn't go to well there... imo anyway. So having a separate thread is appropriate. also, pressuring works! Fans want Flash in bw I find it to be quite the opposite. Brood War fans tend to rage when SC2 is mentioned at all. For good reason.
There is nothing good on being retarded...
If people are blocking SC2 area for some religious stupid then they should continue in the dark.
User was warned for this post
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On May 13 2015 03:37 Starecat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 03:11 GGzerG wrote:On May 13 2015 03:02 HeyImFinn wrote:On May 12 2015 22:35 Deathstar wrote:On May 12 2015 22:19 Starecat wrote:
There are like 2 threads with this info why make another one? Because this thread is specifically about Flash one day streaming BW on afreeca. I don't know if you go on the sc2 forum but talking about BW doesn't go to well there... imo anyway. So having a separate thread is appropriate. also, pressuring works! Fans want Flash in bw I find it to be quite the opposite. Brood War fans tend to rage when SC2 is mentioned at all. For good reason. There is nothing good on being retarded... If people are blocking SC2 area for some religious stupid then they should continue in the dark.
SC2 content is irrelevant for BW fans who do not follow both games, it's not like we keep LiquidLegends or LiquidDota or LiquidHearth open as well if we don't follow those games. As this announcement from the interview pertained potentially to BW rather than SC2 it was reasonable for this to be cross-posted here.
I'm quite excited but it seems like a very vague announcement. I don't expect Flash to switch anytime soon as long as Proleague continues running. I suspect he'll spend a year or so on BW before he joins the military, but given his young age that might still be a while.
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Yeah Flash will definitely stick around to see what LOTV offers him, so a BW stream is a long way off. This is just something cool down the line, like 2-5 years down the line
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On May 13 2015 02:02 GGzerG wrote:
Can confirm, Flash is coming back to BW in a few months probably.
By. clan insider
Is he planning on playing out the rest of the season and retire from KT?
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On May 13 2015 04:35 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 02:02 GGzerG wrote:
Can confirm, Flash is coming back to BW in a few months probably.
By. clan insider Is he planning on playing out the rest of the season and retire from KT?
When is flash entering the military? Or did I miss something and he already did his service?
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On May 13 2015 05:19 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 04:35 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 13 2015 02:02 GGzerG wrote:
Can confirm, Flash is coming back to BW in a few months probably.
By. clan insider Is he planning on playing out the rest of the season and retire from KT? When is flash entering the military? Or did I miss something and he already did his service?
My understanding is that he still has military service.
As far back as I can remember, he started pro-gaming at 15, and is still a pro-gamer, without any interruptions.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On May 13 2015 05:20 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:19 Yurie wrote:On May 13 2015 04:35 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 13 2015 02:02 GGzerG wrote:
Can confirm, Flash is coming back to BW in a few months probably.
By. clan insider Is he planning on playing out the rest of the season and retire from KT? When is flash entering the military? Or did I miss something and he already did his service? My understanding is that he still has military service. As far back as I can remember, he started pro-gaming at 15, and is still a pro-gamer, without any interruptions.
Definitely no military service for Flash yet.
[I've heard things about AIMAG and how winning it gives you the possibility to hold off on (or completely bypass?) military service, and I seem to recall Flash winning that. My information on that note might be completely out there, however, but I rarely hear Flash talk about military service despite how it seems to be looming over everyone else his age.]
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Good, Bisu might otherwise get bored being the only S-class around
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On May 13 2015 06:16 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:20 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 13 2015 05:19 Yurie wrote:On May 13 2015 04:35 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 13 2015 02:02 GGzerG wrote:
Can confirm, Flash is coming back to BW in a few months probably.
By. clan insider Is he planning on playing out the rest of the season and retire from KT? When is flash entering the military? Or did I miss something and he already did his service? My understanding is that he still has military service. As far back as I can remember, he started pro-gaming at 15, and is still a pro-gamer, without any interruptions. Definitely no military service for Flash yet. [I've heard things about AIMAG and how winning it gives you the possibility to hold off on (or completely bypass?) military service, and I seem to recall Flash winning that. My information on that note might be completely out there, however, but I rarely hear Flash talk about military service despite how it seems to be looming over everyone else his age.]
God doesn't need to go to the military (;
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Bisutopia19298 Posts
On May 13 2015 05:19 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 04:35 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 13 2015 02:02 GGzerG wrote:
Can confirm, Flash is coming back to BW in a few months probably.
By. clan insider Is he planning on playing out the rest of the season and retire from KT? When is flash entering the military? Or did I miss something and he already did his service?
Bisu is four years older and still no military. He has quite a bit of time before he needs to worry.
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Not surprised at all, but I know 이영호 mentioned at one point he was going to become a Zerg user, but didn't get a chance to actually do it...
Now would be a Perfect time for Flash to Switch to Zerg in BW. 이영호 should play Zerg... Do it Flash!!! Create some new Zerg strategies and tactics.
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Probably be called up for draft when they near 30, a lot of the conscripts seem to go in right after high school to get the 2 years of service out of the way. You basically get paid nothing during that period, probably end up spending the little you earn at the PX.
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On May 13 2015 07:31 miercat wrote:
Not surprised at all, but I know 이영호 mentioned at one point he was going to become a Zerg user, but didn't get a chance to actually do it...
Now would be a Perfect time for Flash to Switch to Zerg in BW. 이영호 should play Zerg... Do it Flash!!! Create some new Zerg strategies and tactics.
wow wow wow!!!!
Bisu(P) vs Flash(Z)
On May 13 2015 06:16 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:20 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 13 2015 05:19 Yurie wrote:On May 13 2015 04:35 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 13 2015 02:02 GGzerG wrote:
Can confirm, Flash is coming back to BW in a few months probably.
By. clan insider Is he planning on playing out the rest of the season and retire from KT? When is flash entering the military? Or did I miss something and he already did his service? My understanding is that he still has military service. As far back as I can remember, he started pro-gaming at 15, and is still a pro-gamer, without any interruptions. Definitely no military service for Flash yet. [I've heard things about AIMAG and how winning it gives you the possibility to hold off on (or completely bypass?) military service, and I seem to recall Flash winning that. My information on that note might be completely out there, however, but I rarely hear Flash talk about military service despite how it seems to be looming over everyone else his age.]
What's AIMAG please?
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MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
Even Effort, previously an S-class player, struggles vs the top terrans.
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come on flash dont tease us,,, and come back home =)
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On May 13 2015 03:02 HeyImFinn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 22:35 Deathstar wrote:On May 12 2015 22:19 Starecat wrote:
There are like 2 threads with this info why make another one? Because this thread is specifically about Flash one day streaming BW on afreeca. I don't know if you go on the sc2 forum but talking about BW doesn't go to well there... imo anyway. So having a separate thread is appropriate. also, pressuring works! Fans want Flash in bw I find it to be quite the opposite. Brood War fans tend to rage when SC2 is mentioned at all.
Wat's SC2?
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I find myself more entertained watching Broodwar than SC2 these days, I wish their were more English commentators for it.
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On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote:
MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
Even Effort, previously an S-class player, struggles vs the top terrans.
In his current state, probably. I don't know if he's touched the game since 2011.
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51497 Posts
On May 13 2015 06:16 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:20 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 13 2015 05:19 Yurie wrote:On May 13 2015 04:35 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 13 2015 02:02 GGzerG wrote:
Can confirm, Flash is coming back to BW in a few months probably.
By. clan insider Is he planning on playing out the rest of the season and retire from KT? When is flash entering the military? Or did I miss something and he already did his service? My understanding is that he still has military service. As far back as I can remember, he started pro-gaming at 15, and is still a pro-gamer, without any interruptions. Definitely no military service for Flash yet. [I've heard things about AIMAG and how winning it gives you the possibility to hold off on (or completely bypass?) military service, and I seem to recall Flash winning that. My information on that note might be completely out there, however, but I rarely hear Flash talk about military service despite how it seems to be looming over everyone else his age.]
Current conscription laws stipulate that athletes who win medals in the Olympic Games or gold medals in the Asian Games are granted exemptions but still required to do four weeks of basic training. In 2011, the Military Manpower Administration proposed amendments to the exemptions: to include men who have not completed middle school, and to change to a points-based system on a prescribed scale for athletes who win in prestigious competitions. This is partly to address criticism for the easy exemptions and to recognise the privilege to those who show steady performance.
I'm not sure if AIMAG is considered part of the Asian Games.
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On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote:
MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
FlaSh only needs to regain like, 50% of his old form to be as competitive as them, which can be easily done in a few months of constant afreeca streaming.
Mind, Sharp? dont forget flash has the overall best TvT in the business back in the day. everyone hardly ever practices TvT now, its all about fundamentals and build preparation which flash has loads of compared to the rest.
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Bisutopia19298 Posts
On May 13 2015 11:24 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote:
MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
FlaSh only needs to regain like, 50% of his old form to be as competitive as them, which can be easily done in a few months of constant afreeca streaming. Mind, Sharp? dont forget flash has the overall best TvT in the business back in the day. everyone hardly ever practices TvT now, its all about fundamentals and build preparation which flash has loads of compared to the rest.
Agreed. If anyone has been watching Nada he has shown how a top Terran can return to form.
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On May 13 2015 09:37 aka_star wrote:
I find myself more entertained watching Broodwar than SC2 these days, I wish their were more English commentators for it.
Agreed. I'd happily go back to watch more bw if there was more English commentary. Also, a bit improved graphics wouldn't hurt. Like higher resolution sprites or something. half of the SC2 games seem to be fixed anyway. :/
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On May 13 2015 10:17 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 06:16 Zealously wrote:On May 13 2015 05:20 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 13 2015 05:19 Yurie wrote:On May 13 2015 04:35 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 13 2015 02:02 GGzerG wrote:
Can confirm, Flash is coming back to BW in a few months probably.
By. clan insider Is he planning on playing out the rest of the season and retire from KT? When is flash entering the military? Or did I miss something and he already did his service? My understanding is that he still has military service. As far back as I can remember, he started pro-gaming at 15, and is still a pro-gamer, without any interruptions. Definitely no military service for Flash yet. [I've heard things about AIMAG and how winning it gives you the possibility to hold off on (or completely bypass?) military service, and I seem to recall Flash winning that. My information on that note might be completely out there, however, but I rarely hear Flash talk about military service despite how it seems to be looming over everyone else his age.] Current conscription laws stipulate that athletes who win medals in the Olympic Games or gold medals in the Asian Games are granted exemptions but still required to do four weeks of basic training. In 2011, the Military Manpower Administration proposed amendments to the exemptions: to include men who have not completed middle school, and to change to a points-based system on a prescribed scale for athletes who win in prestigious competitions. This is partly to address criticism for the easy exemptions and to recognise the privilege to those who show steady performance. I'm not sure if AIMAG is considered part of the Asian Games.
I believe the Asian Olympic council oversees AIMAG (Asian Indoor and Martial Arts Games), but I'm not certain whether it counts as an Olympics sanctioned event or not.
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Go Flash... come to BW asap!
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Katowice25012 Posts
On May 12 2015 23:04 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 23:03 JieXian wrote:
all the fans
delighted
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
fears the worst Didn't Bisu beat Flash the last time they played?
Was that the game in the proleague finals? What a game it was.
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I wonder how crazy Korean BW and Afreeca scene will get when Flash goes back :-p
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United States10232 Posts
On May 13 2015 14:54 Heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 23:04 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 12 2015 23:03 JieXian wrote:
all the fans
delighted
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
fears the worst Didn't Bisu beat Flash the last time they played? Was that the game in the proleague finals? What a game it was.
.... fucking terran graveyard bullshit. im still salty kt didnt send out stats on that map.
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Bisu will stop coming #1 in every tournament when this guy comes back :D
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we only need jaedong now. we all know it is only a matter of time.
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Jaedong and Stork, as they both aren't any superstars in SC2 so they would benefit a lot from switching back. :D
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Japan11286 Posts
On May 13 2015 16:25 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 14:54 Heyoka wrote:On May 12 2015 23:04 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 12 2015 23:03 JieXian wrote:
all the fans
delighted
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
fears the worst Didn't Bisu beat Flash the last time they played? Was that the game in the proleague finals? What a game it was. .... fucking terran graveyard bullshit. im still salty kt didnt send out stats on that map.
I remember there was quite some debate over what the better decision was. Had Stats been sent out (and lost), it might have turned out to be BeSt 2.0.
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I dream just like you guys, but the truth and the matter is no : they won't necessarily benefit a lot as you say from switching back. If it was the case they would have come back a long time ago. For those of you who have read my quick chat with Hydra at the wcs in France, you know that it's a question of money, of salary, of official tournaments and stuff.
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On May 13 2015 20:14 Filco wrote:
I dream just like you guys, but the truth and the matter is no : they won't necessarily benefit a lot as you say from switching back. If it was the case they would have come back a long time ago. For those of you who have read my quick chat with Hydra at the wcs in France, you know that it's a question of money, of salary, of official tournaments and stuff.
hydra didnt say he intends to go back to BW in the future, flash did.
its not just about money (compared to hydra, flash has already earned a shitton from both bw (primarily) and sc2 anyway), its about his personal preference, his future plans and also his impending military service (assuming he has it like other regular male koreans).
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On May 13 2015 16:25 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 14:54 Heyoka wrote:On May 12 2015 23:04 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 12 2015 23:03 JieXian wrote:
all the fans
delighted
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
fears the worst Didn't Bisu beat Flash the last time they played? Was that the game in the proleague finals? What a game it was. .... fucking terran graveyard bullshit. im still salty kt didnt send out stats on that map.
I was thinking Broejja.
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On May 13 2015 21:58 NicksonReyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 16:25 FlaShFTW wrote:On May 13 2015 14:54 Heyoka wrote:On May 12 2015 23:04 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 12 2015 23:03 JieXian wrote:
all the fans
delighted
all the progamers
in fear
bisu
fears the worst Didn't Bisu beat Flash the last time they played? Was that the game in the proleague finals? What a game it was. .... fucking terran graveyard bullshit. im still salty kt didnt send out stats on that map. I was thinking Broejja.
BroeJJa would've gotten squished. I think that Stats was the better pick there.
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On May 13 2015 19:10 iFU.pauline wrote:
we only need jaedong now. we all know it is only a matter of time.
What's JD up to these days? Does he play SC2?
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On May 13 2015 23:09 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 19:10 iFU.pauline wrote:
we only need jaedong now. we all know it is only a matter of time. What's JD up to these days? Does he play SC2?
I believe that he still plays SC2. At least on his Facebook fanpage. And the fact that I'm pretty sure that he's still on the EG active roster.
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On May 13 2015 23:09 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 19:10 iFU.pauline wrote:
we only need jaedong now. we all know it is only a matter of time. What's JD up to these days? Does he play SC2?
Yes, he's not competing in Korea anymore though. Only foreign events.
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What a great news (and please Flash, tell to BaBy to follow you on afreeca =D) !
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That's so good to hear. Maybe JvF can be a thing again :D
Haven't followed BW at all lately, is there any new blood playing SSL though? That'd be really nice as well. Having new players get to the top, must be hard but it would be good for the scene.
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An additional reason to visit TL.net!
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On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote:
MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
Maybe if he's really rusty.... that's what you're trying to say, yes?
But you'd have to think that a Flash even close to being in form would curb-stomp all of those guys, with the possible exception of MinD.
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On May 15 2015 08:32 [[Starlight]] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote:
MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
Maybe if he's really rusty.... that's what you're trying to say, yes? But you'd have to think that a Flash even close to being in form would curb-stomp all of those guys, with the possible exception of MinD.
But then, post Kespa Starleagues have proven, that they have a spirit of their own. Not all players are now, where they were expected to be ranking-wise based on pre SOSPA reults and some are performing considerably better. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform?
If Flash get's back to BW, it won't be tomorrow and not this year. And by then, he will be facing stiff competition Starleagues filled with ex Pro's who had more time to practice then him. Don't get me wrong, i think he will be big when he returns and a strong contender too, but besides that, im not too certain.
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On May 15 2015 09:34 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 08:32 [[Starlight]] wrote:On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote:
MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
Maybe if he's really rusty.... that's what you're trying to say, yes? But you'd have to think that a Flash even close to being in form would curb-stomp all of those guys, with the possible exception of MinD. But then, post Kespa Starleagues have proven, that they have a spirit of their own. Not all players are now, where they were expected to be ranking-wise based on pre SOSPA reults and some are performing considerably better. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? If Flash get's back to BW, it won't be tomorrow and not this year. And by then, he will be facing stiff competition Starleagues filled with ex Pro's who had more time to practice then him. Don't get me wrong, i think he will be big when he returns and a strong contender too, but besides that, im not too certain.
I actually don't know how well Flash'd do, even with adequate practice.
The entirety of StarCraft know him well, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them spent days, if not weeks of their careers fighting to take Flash out. I feel like people know how Flash is gonna play, and can just do their best to counter that before the game even begins.
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This reminds me so much of the elephant in the room discussion when the be kespa pros were about to switch to sc2. most thought they'd stomp the competition, but in the end the kespa pros didn't dominate as much as expected. Will the now returning same ex bw kespa pros live up to the hype on the second transition?? Who knows?? Will be great fun to see how it goes!
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On May 15 2015 10:08 Cascade wrote:This reminds me so much of the elephant in the room discussion when the be kespa pros were about to switch to sc2. most thought they'd stomp the competition, but in the end the kespa pros didn't dominate as much as expected. Will the now returning same ex bw kespa pros live up to the hype on the second transition?? Who knows?? Will be great fun to see how it goes!
I think that the difference here is that it's BW players coming back to BW, and not transitioning into a different game.
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On May 15 2015 10:08 Cascade wrote:This reminds me so much of the elephant in the room discussion when the be kespa pros were about to switch to sc2. most thought they'd stomp the competition, but in the end the kespa pros didn't dominate as much as expected. Will the now returning same ex bw kespa pros live up to the hype on the second transition?? Who knows?? Will be great fun to see how it goes!
:D that's an interesting comparison, though i didn't have it in mind. And back then, i thought there was an elephant in the room (;
But note, a lot of players have already switched back and a few "S Class" players too. Bisu, Jangbi, (Mind), Effort, (Sea)
brackets indicate "S class" might be an overstatement for these. Just my opinion (;
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This is great news for bw fans. Just the thought of him returning has created a topic. I hope he does return to give Bisu a challenge.
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On May 15 2015 09:34 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 08:32 [[Starlight]] wrote:On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote:
MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
Maybe if he's really rusty.... that's what you're trying to say, yes? But you'd have to think that a Flash even close to being in form would curb-stomp all of those guys, with the possible exception of MinD. But then, post Kespa Starleagues have proven, that they have a spirit of their own. Not all players are now, where they were expected to be ranking-wise based on pre SOSPA reults and some are performing considerably better. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform?
Yup, and by the same token, you can also look at things like Bisu taking SSL9, or Mind, a former MSL winner, taking the KSL.
Top players from the MSL/OSL days vs guys who didn't become stars 'til most of the top BW guys retired or went to SC2?
Who would I pick? Hmm, let me see...
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On May 15 2015 10:07 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 09:34 Cele wrote:On May 15 2015 08:32 [[Starlight]] wrote:On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote:
MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
Maybe if he's really rusty.... that's what you're trying to say, yes? But you'd have to think that a Flash even close to being in form would curb-stomp all of those guys, with the possible exception of MinD. But then, post Kespa Starleagues have proven, that they have a spirit of their own. Not all players are now, where they were expected to be ranking-wise based on pre SOSPA reults and some are performing considerably better. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? If Flash get's back to BW, it won't be tomorrow and not this year. And by then, he will be facing stiff competition Starleagues filled with ex Pro's who had more time to practice then him. Don't get me wrong, i think he will be big when he returns and a strong contender too, but besides that, im not too certain. I actually don't know how well Flash'd do, even with adequate practice. The entirety of StarCraft know him well, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them spent days, if not weeks of their careers fighting to take Flash out. I feel like people know how Flash is gonna play, and can just do their best to counter that before the game even begins.
So far, although the sample size is just 2, every S class player has quickly regained dominating form. EffOrt and Bisu have both been extremely strong since coming back. FlaSh was much better than either of those two.
Obviously he won't perform right away, but assuming he doesn't pull a JangBi and puts some EffOrt into it I have no doubts he will be back to being a lethal player.
Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform?
Astonishingly well for a guy who hardly played and practiced at all.
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On May 15 2015 13:35 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 10:07 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 15 2015 09:34 Cele wrote:On May 15 2015 08:32 [[Starlight]] wrote:On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote:
MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
Maybe if he's really rusty.... that's what you're trying to say, yes? But you'd have to think that a Flash even close to being in form would curb-stomp all of those guys, with the possible exception of MinD. But then, post Kespa Starleagues have proven, that they have a spirit of their own. Not all players are now, where they were expected to be ranking-wise based on pre SOSPA reults and some are performing considerably better. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? If Flash get's back to BW, it won't be tomorrow and not this year. And by then, he will be facing stiff competition Starleagues filled with ex Pro's who had more time to practice then him. Don't get me wrong, i think he will be big when he returns and a strong contender too, but besides that, im not too certain. I actually don't know how well Flash'd do, even with adequate practice. The entirety of StarCraft know him well, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them spent days, if not weeks of their careers fighting to take Flash out. I feel like people know how Flash is gonna play, and can just do their best to counter that before the game even begins. So far, although the sample size is just 2, every S class player has quickly regained dominating form. EffOrt and Bisu have both been extremely strong since coming back. FlaSh was much better than either of those two. Obviously he won't perform right away, but assuming he doesn't pull a JangBi and puts some EffOrt into it I have no doubts he will be back to being a lethal player. Show nested quote +Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? Astonishingly well for a guy who hardly played and practiced at all.
I found out about pro BW after SC2 came out, so I haven't seen more than a few games of FlaSh. I have read articles about him. I see his career statistics. I have seen people hype him considerably. I get it, he was nearly perfect mechanically, had amazing "star sense" and instincts, and could expertly execute a wide range of builds. But isn't it much to say FlaSh was MUCH better than Bisu and EffOrt?
EffOrt beat him to win an OSL. And didn't Bisu beat FlaSh twice in the final BW Proleague finals? FlaSh was always the favorite, but it's not like Bisu or EffOrt couldn't compete with him. I don't know, everyone just makes it sound like he was untouchable. Heck, even JangBi beat FlaSh on his way to completing a "Legend of the Fall" run to his first OSL.
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On May 15 2015 14:16 SWAT-Kat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 13:35 L_Master wrote:On May 15 2015 10:07 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 15 2015 09:34 Cele wrote:On May 15 2015 08:32 [[Starlight]] wrote:On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote:
MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
Maybe if he's really rusty.... that's what you're trying to say, yes? But you'd have to think that a Flash even close to being in form would curb-stomp all of those guys, with the possible exception of MinD. But then, post Kespa Starleagues have proven, that they have a spirit of their own. Not all players are now, where they were expected to be ranking-wise based on pre SOSPA reults and some are performing considerably better. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? If Flash get's back to BW, it won't be tomorrow and not this year. And by then, he will be facing stiff competition Starleagues filled with ex Pro's who had more time to practice then him. Don't get me wrong, i think he will be big when he returns and a strong contender too, but besides that, im not too certain. I actually don't know how well Flash'd do, even with adequate practice. The entirety of StarCraft know him well, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them spent days, if not weeks of their careers fighting to take Flash out. I feel like people know how Flash is gonna play, and can just do their best to counter that before the game even begins. So far, although the sample size is just 2, every S class player has quickly regained dominating form. EffOrt and Bisu have both been extremely strong since coming back. FlaSh was much better than either of those two. Obviously he won't perform right away, but assuming he doesn't pull a JangBi and puts some EffOrt into it I have no doubts he will be back to being a lethal player. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? Astonishingly well for a guy who hardly played and practiced at all. I found out about pro BW after SC2 came out, so I haven't seen more than a few games of FlaSh. I have read articles about him. I see his career statistics. I have seen people hype him considerably. I get it, he was nearly perfect mechanically, had amazing "star sense" and instincts, and could expertly execute a wide range of builds. But isn't it much to say FlaSh was MUCH better than Bisu and EffOrt? EffOrt beat him to win an OSL. And didn't Bisu beat FlaSh twice in the final BW Proleague finals? FlaSh was always the favorite, but it's not like Bisu or EffOrt couldn't compete with him. I don't know, everyone just makes it sound like he was untouchable. Heck, even JangBi beat FlaSh on his way to completing a "Legend of the Fall" run to his first OSL. Just compare flash' overall yearly winrates. He was at (near) 75% for 3 years straight. Bisu had such a winrate for only one year. In my quick search, I couldn't find another player with the same winrates. But I'm sure you already knew that, having seen his career statistics.
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On May 15 2015 14:16 SWAT-Kat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 13:35 L_Master wrote:On May 15 2015 10:07 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 15 2015 09:34 Cele wrote:On May 15 2015 08:32 [[Starlight]] wrote:On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote:
MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
Maybe if he's really rusty.... that's what you're trying to say, yes? But you'd have to think that a Flash even close to being in form would curb-stomp all of those guys, with the possible exception of MinD. But then, post Kespa Starleagues have proven, that they have a spirit of their own. Not all players are now, where they were expected to be ranking-wise based on pre SOSPA reults and some are performing considerably better. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? If Flash get's back to BW, it won't be tomorrow and not this year. And by then, he will be facing stiff competition Starleagues filled with ex Pro's who had more time to practice then him. Don't get me wrong, i think he will be big when he returns and a strong contender too, but besides that, im not too certain. I actually don't know how well Flash'd do, even with adequate practice. The entirety of StarCraft know him well, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them spent days, if not weeks of their careers fighting to take Flash out. I feel like people know how Flash is gonna play, and can just do their best to counter that before the game even begins. So far, although the sample size is just 2, every S class player has quickly regained dominating form. EffOrt and Bisu have both been extremely strong since coming back. FlaSh was much better than either of those two. Obviously he won't perform right away, but assuming he doesn't pull a JangBi and puts some EffOrt into it I have no doubts he will be back to being a lethal player. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? Astonishingly well for a guy who hardly played and practiced at all. I found out about pro BW after SC2 came out, so I haven't seen more than a few games of FlaSh. I have read articles about him. I see his career statistics. I have seen people hype him considerably. I get it, he was nearly perfect mechanically, had amazing "star sense" and instincts, and could expertly execute a wide range of builds. But isn't it much to say FlaSh was MUCH better than Bisu and EffOrt? EffOrt beat him to win an OSL. And didn't Bisu beat FlaSh twice in the final BW Proleague finals? FlaSh was always the favorite, but it's not like Bisu or EffOrt couldn't compete with him. I don't know, everyone just makes it sound like he was untouchable. Heck, even JangBi beat FlaSh on his way to completing a "Legend of the Fall" run to his first OSL.
it's kinda hard to describe the year of god young ho if you weren't around then. he was absolutely untouchable and the only question was if jaedong or someone else would play him in the finals of each osl/msl. bisu was in a massive slump post 2008 and he was never really seen as someone who was a serious contender for an individual league after that, even though he still had strong proleague results. people would get sorta hyped for bisu when he would do well in PL but then he'd bomb out in the ro36 or 16 and then people would like "fuck bisu y u suck." effort was weird, he was like a rising player in 08-09 but he was a lot stronger in proleague. his OSL run kind of came out of nowhere. i think a lot of people including me would have loved to see effort win a starleague but between flash, jaedong, fantasy, stork, and maybe some others like calm/lux we didn't really expect it
flash lost his luster in late 11-12 but i think that was right after he had wrist surgery. it's not a matter of losing a couple of games to other players, it's the fact that he crushed the scene so hard in a super competitive era
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On May 18 2015 03:52 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 14:16 SWAT-Kat wrote:On May 15 2015 13:35 L_Master wrote:On May 15 2015 10:07 IntoTheheart wrote:On May 15 2015 09:34 Cele wrote:On May 15 2015 08:32 [[Starlight]] wrote:On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote:
MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned.
Maybe if he's really rusty.... that's what you're trying to say, yes? But you'd have to think that a Flash even close to being in form would curb-stomp all of those guys, with the possible exception of MinD. But then, post Kespa Starleagues have proven, that they have a spirit of their own. Not all players are now, where they were expected to be ranking-wise based on pre SOSPA reults and some are performing considerably better. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? If Flash get's back to BW, it won't be tomorrow and not this year. And by then, he will be facing stiff competition Starleagues filled with ex Pro's who had more time to practice then him. Don't get me wrong, i think he will be big when he returns and a strong contender too, but besides that, im not too certain. I actually don't know how well Flash'd do, even with adequate practice. The entirety of StarCraft know him well, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them spent days, if not weeks of their careers fighting to take Flash out. I feel like people know how Flash is gonna play, and can just do their best to counter that before the game even begins. So far, although the sample size is just 2, every S class player has quickly regained dominating form. EffOrt and Bisu have both been extremely strong since coming back. FlaSh was much better than either of those two. Obviously he won't perform right away, but assuming he doesn't pull a JangBi and puts some EffOrt into it I have no doubts he will be back to being a lethal player. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? Astonishingly well for a guy who hardly played and practiced at all. I found out about pro BW after SC2 came out, so I haven't seen more than a few games of FlaSh. I have read articles about him. I see his career statistics. I have seen people hype him considerably. I get it, he was nearly perfect mechanically, had amazing "star sense" and instincts, and could expertly execute a wide range of builds. But isn't it much to say FlaSh was MUCH better than Bisu and EffOrt? EffOrt beat him to win an OSL. And didn't Bisu beat FlaSh twice in the final BW Proleague finals? FlaSh was always the favorite, but it's not like Bisu or EffOrt couldn't compete with him. I don't know, everyone just makes it sound like he was untouchable. Heck, even JangBi beat FlaSh on his way to completing a "Legend of the Fall" run to his first OSL. it's kinda hard to describe the year of god young ho if you weren't around then. he was absolutely untouchable and the only question was if jaedong or someone else would play him in the finals of each osl/msl. bisu was in a massive slump post 2008 and he was never really seen as someone who was a serious contender for an individual league after that, even though he still had strong proleague results. people would get sorta hyped for bisu when he would do well in PL but then he'd bomb out in the ro36 or 16 and then people would like "fuck bisu y u suck." effort was weird, he was like a rising player in 08-09 but he was a lot stronger in proleague. his OSL run kind of came out of nowhere. i think a lot of people including me would have loved to see effort win a starleague but between flash, jaedong, fantasy, stork, and maybe some others like calm/lux we didn't really expect it flash lost his luster in late 11-12 but i think that was right after he had wrist surgery. it's not a matter of losing a couple of games to other players, it's the fact that he crushed the scene so hard in a super competitive era
Ah, ok. I'll have to trust your word. Looks like I just missed out on that era. Thanks for the response!
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On May 18 2015 02:11 toriak wrote:Does anyone know who is wico`shit ? Isnt it Flash ? cuz i saw him beatin both mind and ssak easily... he's pretty high in the ladder too: https://www.fishbattle.net/rank_ladder
Wico`Shit is 박정훈, amateur
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Hope that wont happen any time soon.
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Great news for BW fans, bad news for SC2 fans and for Flash himself, that despite his talents he couldn't compete as well in SC2. Shame.
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On June 21 2015 12:56 Tangsta wrote:
Great news for BW fans, bad news for SC2 fans and for Flash himself, that despite his talents he couldn't compete as well in SC2. Shame.
...You seem a little late to the party.
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On June 21 2015 12:56 Tangsta wrote:
Great news for BW fans, bad news for SC2 fans and for Flash himself, that despite his talents he couldn't compete as well in SC2. Shame.
The only reason BW pros couldn't just curb stomp the competition in SC2 is that all skill was removed from the game. Any macro/micro ability from BW is effectively negated in SC2.
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On June 21 2015 13:43 olabaz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 12:56 Tangsta wrote:
Great news for BW fans, bad news for SC2 fans and for Flash himself, that despite his talents he couldn't compete as well in SC2. Shame. The only reason BW pros couldn't just curb stomp the competition in SC2 is that all skill was removed from the game. Any macro/micro ability from BW is effectively negated in SC2.
the only reason bw pros couldn't curb stomp sc2 players is because it was an entirely different game that required different skills from bw. plus all the young talent that would have gone to bw went to sc2 instead, look at the progamer drafts after sc2 started, i don't think there were any players who went to a pro team in the 3 years between sc2's release and kespa switching. new talent like life or maru would've been drafted to a pro team but instead played sc2, you can't expect TBLS to hang on forever
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The reason kespa pro's don't dominate in sc2 is because sc2 has less areas to excel in.
In brood war even at the highest level Jaedong's mutas are something different from all other zerg players' mutas. There's no such thing in sc2.
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Dominant or not, they still won almost all the starleagues since the switch. The ones they didn't win - as was rightly mentioned - were won by the newest generation, namely Maru and Life.
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it was still the generation of bw players that came after TBLS that's winning sc2 shit right? i'm pretty sure classic debuted in PL after i started watching so it must've been 09 or even later. are there any players from the practice player/b-team era of sc2 that are still playing? i feel like a lot of them quit even before i stopped watching
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The only reason that ... is that ... BW muta's ... Jaedong.
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God will come back one day to conquer??? Yes, please.
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