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Caladbolg
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On May 13 2015 09:14 9heart wrote: MinD, HiyA, Mong, Last, sSak, Sharp, Sea...Any of the current top Terrans would destroy FlaSh if he returned. Maybe if he's really rusty.... that's what you're trying to say, yes? But you'd have to think that a Flash even close to being in form would curb-stomp all of those guys, with the possible exception of MinD. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On May 15 2015 08:32 [[Starlight]] wrote: Maybe if he's really rusty.... that's what you're trying to say, yes? But you'd have to think that a Flash even close to being in form would curb-stomp all of those guys, with the possible exception of MinD. But then, post Kespa Starleagues have proven, that they have a spirit of their own. Not all players are now, where they were expected to be ranking-wise based on pre SOSPA reults and some are performing considerably better. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? If Flash get's back to BW, it won't be tomorrow and not this year. And by then, he will be facing stiff competition Starleagues filled with ex Pro's who had more time to practice then him. Don't get me wrong, i think he will be big when he returns and a strong contender too, but besides that, im not too certain. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On May 15 2015 09:34 Cele wrote: But then, post Kespa Starleagues have proven, that they have a spirit of their own. Not all players are now, where they were expected to be ranking-wise based on pre SOSPA reults and some are performing considerably better. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? If Flash get's back to BW, it won't be tomorrow and not this year. And by then, he will be facing stiff competition Starleagues filled with ex Pro's who had more time to practice then him. Don't get me wrong, i think he will be big when he returns and a strong contender too, but besides that, im not too certain. I actually don't know how well Flash'd do, even with adequate practice. The entirety of StarCraft know him well, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them spent days, if not weeks of their careers fighting to take Flash out. I feel like people know how Flash is gonna play, and can just do their best to counter that before the game even begins. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
most thought they'd stomp the competition, but in the end the kespa pros didn't dominate as much as expected. Will the now returning same ex bw kespa pros live up to the hype on the second transition?? Who knows?? Will be great fun to see how it goes! | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On May 15 2015 10:08 Cascade wrote: This reminds me so much of the elephant in the room discussion when the be kespa pros were about to switch to sc2. most thought they'd stomp the competition, but in the end the kespa pros didn't dominate as much as expected. Will the now returning same ex bw kespa pros live up to the hype on the second transition?? Who knows?? Will be great fun to see how it goes! I think that the difference here is that it's BW players coming back to BW, and not transitioning into a different game. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On May 15 2015 10:08 Cascade wrote: This reminds me so much of the elephant in the room discussion when the be kespa pros were about to switch to sc2. most thought they'd stomp the competition, but in the end the kespa pros didn't dominate as much as expected. Will the now returning same ex bw kespa pros live up to the hype on the second transition?? Who knows?? Will be great fun to see how it goes! :D that's an interesting comparison, though i didn't have it in mind. And back then, i thought there was an elephant in the room (; But note, a lot of players have already switched back and a few "S Class" players too. Bisu, Jangbi, (Mind), Effort, (Sea) brackets indicate "S class" might be an overstatement for these. Just my opinion (; | ||
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On May 15 2015 09:34 Cele wrote: But then, post Kespa Starleagues have proven, that they have a spirit of their own. Not all players are now, where they were expected to be ranking-wise based on pre SOSPA reults and some are performing considerably better. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? Yup, and by the same token, you can also look at things like Bisu taking SSL9, or Mind, a former MSL winner, taking the KSL. Top players from the MSL/OSL days vs guys who didn't become stars 'til most of the top BW guys retired or went to SC2? Who would I pick? Hmm, let me see... | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 15 2015 10:07 IntoTheheart wrote: I actually don't know how well Flash'd do, even with adequate practice. The entirety of StarCraft know him well, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them spent days, if not weeks of their careers fighting to take Flash out. I feel like people know how Flash is gonna play, and can just do their best to counter that before the game even begins. So far, although the sample size is just 2, every S class player has quickly regained dominating form. EffOrt and Bisu have both been extremely strong since coming back. FlaSh was much better than either of those two. Obviously he won't perform right away, but assuming he doesn't pull a JangBi and puts some EffOrt into it I have no doubts he will be back to being a lethal player. Think of Jangbi, as the winner of the last two OSL`s, he should have been a favorite for the last SSL, but how did he perform? Astonishingly well for a guy who hardly played and practiced at all. | ||
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SWAT-Kat
United States311 Posts
On May 15 2015 13:35 L_Master wrote: So far, although the sample size is just 2, every S class player has quickly regained dominating form. EffOrt and Bisu have both been extremely strong since coming back. FlaSh was much better than either of those two. Obviously he won't perform right away, but assuming he doesn't pull a JangBi and puts some EffOrt into it I have no doubts he will be back to being a lethal player. Astonishingly well for a guy who hardly played and practiced at all. I found out about pro BW after SC2 came out, so I haven't seen more than a few games of FlaSh. I have read articles about him. I see his career statistics. I have seen people hype him considerably. I get it, he was nearly perfect mechanically, had amazing "star sense" and instincts, and could expertly execute a wide range of builds. But isn't it much to say FlaSh was MUCH better than Bisu and EffOrt? EffOrt beat him to win an OSL. And didn't Bisu beat FlaSh twice in the final BW Proleague finals? FlaSh was always the favorite, but it's not like Bisu or EffOrt couldn't compete with him. I don't know, everyone just makes it sound like he was untouchable. Heck, even JangBi beat FlaSh on his way to completing a "Legend of the Fall" run to his first OSL. | ||
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toriak
Slovakia477 Posts
he's pretty high in the ladder too: https://www.fishbattle.net/rank_ladder | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On May 15 2015 14:16 SWAT-Kat wrote: Just compare flash' overall yearly winrates. He was at (near) 75% for 3 years straight. Bisu had such a winrate for only one year. In my quick search, I couldn't find another player with the same winrates. But I'm sure you already knew that, having seen his career statistics.I found out about pro BW after SC2 came out, so I haven't seen more than a few games of FlaSh. I have read articles about him. I see his career statistics. I have seen people hype him considerably. I get it, he was nearly perfect mechanically, had amazing "star sense" and instincts, and could expertly execute a wide range of builds. But isn't it much to say FlaSh was MUCH better than Bisu and EffOrt? EffOrt beat him to win an OSL. And didn't Bisu beat FlaSh twice in the final BW Proleague finals? FlaSh was always the favorite, but it's not like Bisu or EffOrt couldn't compete with him. I don't know, everyone just makes it sound like he was untouchable. Heck, even JangBi beat FlaSh on his way to completing a "Legend of the Fall" run to his first OSL. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On May 15 2015 14:16 SWAT-Kat wrote: I found out about pro BW after SC2 came out, so I haven't seen more than a few games of FlaSh. I have read articles about him. I see his career statistics. I have seen people hype him considerably. I get it, he was nearly perfect mechanically, had amazing "star sense" and instincts, and could expertly execute a wide range of builds. But isn't it much to say FlaSh was MUCH better than Bisu and EffOrt? EffOrt beat him to win an OSL. And didn't Bisu beat FlaSh twice in the final BW Proleague finals? FlaSh was always the favorite, but it's not like Bisu or EffOrt couldn't compete with him. I don't know, everyone just makes it sound like he was untouchable. Heck, even JangBi beat FlaSh on his way to completing a "Legend of the Fall" run to his first OSL. it's kinda hard to describe the year of god young ho if you weren't around then. he was absolutely untouchable and the only question was if jaedong or someone else would play him in the finals of each osl/msl. bisu was in a massive slump post 2008 and he was never really seen as someone who was a serious contender for an individual league after that, even though he still had strong proleague results. people would get sorta hyped for bisu when he would do well in PL but then he'd bomb out in the ro36 or 16 and then people would like "fuck bisu y u suck." effort was weird, he was like a rising player in 08-09 but he was a lot stronger in proleague. his OSL run kind of came out of nowhere. i think a lot of people including me would have loved to see effort win a starleague but between flash, jaedong, fantasy, stork, and maybe some others like calm/lux we didn't really expect it flash lost his luster in late 11-12 but i think that was right after he had wrist surgery. it's not a matter of losing a couple of games to other players, it's the fact that he crushed the scene so hard in a super competitive era | ||
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SWAT-Kat
United States311 Posts
On May 18 2015 03:52 rauk wrote: it's kinda hard to describe the year of god young ho if you weren't around then. he was absolutely untouchable and the only question was if jaedong or someone else would play him in the finals of each osl/msl. bisu was in a massive slump post 2008 and he was never really seen as someone who was a serious contender for an individual league after that, even though he still had strong proleague results. people would get sorta hyped for bisu when he would do well in PL but then he'd bomb out in the ro36 or 16 and then people would like "fuck bisu y u suck." effort was weird, he was like a rising player in 08-09 but he was a lot stronger in proleague. his OSL run kind of came out of nowhere. i think a lot of people including me would have loved to see effort win a starleague but between flash, jaedong, fantasy, stork, and maybe some others like calm/lux we didn't really expect it flash lost his luster in late 11-12 but i think that was right after he had wrist surgery. it's not a matter of losing a couple of games to other players, it's the fact that he crushed the scene so hard in a super competitive era Ah, ok. I'll have to trust your word. Looks like I just missed out on that era. Thanks for the response! | ||
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dr0pship
Canada520 Posts
On May 18 2015 02:11 toriak wrote: Does anyone know who is wico`shit ? Isnt it Flash ? cuz i saw him beatin both mind and ssak easily... he's pretty high in the ladder too: https://www.fishbattle.net/rank_ladder Wico`Shit is 박정훈, amateur | ||
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Tosster
Poland299 Posts
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Tangsta
Australia68 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10705 Posts
On June 21 2015 12:56 Tangsta wrote: Great news for BW fans, bad news for SC2 fans and for Flash himself, that despite his talents he couldn't compete as well in SC2. Shame. ...You seem a little late to the party. | ||
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olabaz
United States298 Posts
On June 21 2015 12:56 Tangsta wrote: Great news for BW fans, bad news for SC2 fans and for Flash himself, that despite his talents he couldn't compete as well in SC2. Shame. The only reason BW pros couldn't just curb stomp the competition in SC2 is that all skill was removed from the game. Any macro/micro ability from BW is effectively negated in SC2. | ||
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