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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11800 Posts
November 03 2015 06:07 GMT
#121
Man, I only use a cheap $4 mouse.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
November 03 2015 08:14 GMT
#122
On November 02 2015 16:20 Glioburd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 14:53 bypLy wrote:
the question is pretty vague, which league exactly do you want to play on ICCUP? For D+ you need at least to spend 50$. However if you want to play in the higher leagues (above C+) you should defintly consider spendings at least 100$.

lol what ?
It's not how it works.


sure it is, if you want to play B/B+, you defintly need the latest razor gear worth at least 300$. A friend of mine has all equipment there is and he made it to B+. When he bought tapes for his wrists and a 1:1 replication of a professional booth along with the latest TL chair, he finally got to A-.

Its pretty unfair especially if you are poor and cant afford all that stuff.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7090 Posts
November 03 2015 09:03 GMT
#123
On November 03 2015 17:14 bypLy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 16:20 Glioburd wrote:
On November 02 2015 14:53 bypLy wrote:
the question is pretty vague, which league exactly do you want to play on ICCUP? For D+ you need at least to spend 50$. However if you want to play in the higher leagues (above C+) you should defintly consider spendings at least 100$.

lol what ?
It's not how it works.


sure it is, if you want to play B/B+, you defintly need the latest razor gear worth at least 300$. A friend of mine has all equipment there is and he made it to B+. When he bought tapes for his wrists and a 1:1 replication of a professional booth along with the latest TL chair, he finally got to A-.

Its pretty unfair especially if you are poor and cant afford all that stuff.

Loooooooooooooool
ArtOfBlack
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland93 Posts
November 03 2015 12:34 GMT
#124
lol i use normal KTEC 9500 and i pay around 20$
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1483 Posts
November 03 2015 15:43 GMT
#125
I have used many Mices in my life and I can say that there are some improvements that can be beneficial, but in most cases it depends on your hand and playstyle.

For example, I like finger grip so for me a small and light-weight Mice is important.
However, for FPS I like slightly low movement speed so I need to either change the mice or change the DPI.
How ever I have a huge PRO tip for all of those who dont know about it:

The surface is more important than the mice.

This is due to how mices work. They pick up every inconsistency in the surface, no matter how small.

Many try to buy fancy mice pads but in my personal experience, a very clean polished table works wonders in mice accuracy.

However, some people like me have sweat problems while playing for long time so for that a big pad from a cloth type texture can work decently well.

Another thing that is important is to have the perfect accuracy/speed ratio.

This is something quite easy to understand and change but hard to get used to.

First and foremost: Make sure you mice is set to the SAME speed in Broodwar and your desktop.
If you have a different speed, every time you go out of broodwar your mind and muscle memory will begin to change the broodwar mindset to another one (other games, desktop, etc).

Second: Your mice speed should be fast enough to got from one corner of the screen to another corner of the screen in a single move, at around 80% of your total capacity of movement (this means that if you need to lift the mice, or move your elbow to get from corner to corner, the speed is too low), yet slow enough to get from one zergling to another adjacent zergling without feeling forced (you msut be able to move naturally, not focusing especially hard to to move the mice "slowly").

There should be plenty of room for both.
Then of course you need to get used to it, takes around 3 weeks of daily use.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States497 Posts
November 03 2015 16:27 GMT
#126
razer diamondback #1 rts mouse global
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-03 20:35:52
November 03 2015 20:19 GMT
#127
Just get one that you like and are comfortable with.

On the fly DPS adjustments are nice because when you go into BW your mouse sensitivity will jump up like crazy because of the resolution.

So I drop mine from like 800 to 250 or so for BW.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 04 2015 01:52 GMT
#128
i used a cheap 10$ microsoft mouse for yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrs and loved it
find one you like
anyone who tells you youre going to gain ranks by buying a mouse/keyboard the pros use is a fucking moron
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
November 04 2015 07:27 GMT
#129
MS Wheel Mouse Optical ftw !
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 04 2015 11:54 GMT
#130
On November 04 2015 16:27 Glioburd wrote:
MS Wheel Mouse Optical ftw !

Think mine was an Intellimouse 3000 or something
it was a big ass mouse and had a magnifying glass app
was pretty cool
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
November 04 2015 12:08 GMT
#131
Yes they are very similar. I really like it, light, no problems from the sensor, not too small, not too big. Also I use it for 6 years and it still works perfectly, better than the 6 months of my Razer Abyssus (which was a good mouse apart from that).
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10090 Posts
November 10 2015 23:04 GMT
#132
On November 03 2015 11:00 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 18:18 TT1 wrote:
i wonder how good Bisu would be if he played with a 100$ mouse as opposed to his 10$ one..


$ is not the important thing. Whichever feels comfortable, the player should stick to that mouse.


i was being sarcastic :D
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
November 11 2015 06:03 GMT
#133
I used LMO for years when I play BW until it's fucking hard to find it here. Switching to G400 three years ago (after using mx518 for 3 years and trying few razer/ss products) never look back again.

Both logitech are excellent mice, but my G400 is the better one - one of the best mouse I ever used. Razer have bad build quality (broken down after around 12 months of use) and steelseries was crap for the price.


TL;DR
Go for the mouse you most comfortable with. My friend use those logitech trackpad mouse and still kicking my ass at CSGO.


Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany614 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-12 01:13:26
November 11 2015 10:39 GMT
#134
I'm a huge advocate of matching pixels with dpi so it depends which mode you play in (2x wmode or classic 640x480 fullscreen).

Assuming 4:3 640x480 fullscreen:
You want a mouse with 800 dpi.
Why is that so?

Ideally you want the windows mouse sensivity sitting at at 6/11 (with no acceleration) because then you have (almost) no interpolation which deteriorates accuracy. Which means you'll manage sensivity with the DPI itself. You want DPI that matches the (used) screen diagonal in pixels (640² + 480² = x² --> x = 800) so you can easily move across it. There are many mice with 800 DPI or a 800 DPI mode so you can find everything from cheap and bad, low-priced but surprisingly good all the way up to very expensive mice. Avoid laser mice because they are unreliable. Look for optical (infrared) sensors.

You could also get a mouse with freely adjustable DPI and set it to 800 but I would advice against that.
First: You probably need a custom driver/software for that which is always the worse option to using just the default windows interface because it adds another layer of complexity and probably delay.
Second: Sensors with freely adjustable DPI have to interpolate themselves to get to that value so you swap one interpolation with another.
Third: Those tend to be expensive.

More DPI than 800 are wasted in Broodwar and probably makes the mouse more finicky and thus less accurate for most people.

My recommendation:

A Zowie EC1, EC2, FK1 or FK2 (the one with the ergonomics that suit you most) with the sensor set to 800 DPI mode.

Those are excellent mice with extreme durability. They're optimised to be used with the default windows driver and all settings can be adjusted on the mouse with no additional software needed. They also have 1000hz USB polling rate by default which is always nice (can be lowered if needed).





A complete alternative option: Go oldschool and get a mechanical mouse (those with a ball) and a good mousepad for that type of mouse (I can recommend slightly hardened rubber). It really fits for Broodwar, because these are the mice which have been played with back in the day.

Be prepared to clean the insides after every match (yes, you'll get paranoid) but that's like getting new strings on your guitar for every concert. You'll even like it after some time as a way to relax and focus on the new match.
Some dealers still sell factory new Boomslangs from time to time which have been hoarded in storage quite a lot but they heavily vary in price (and don't be surprised if they're are NOT from razer ^_^). I would get one if I find it for less than 40 bucks.

I play Broodwar with a Boomslang on my second PC and it feels awesome :D
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
November 11 2015 22:08 GMT
#135
If you don't mind spending a bit more than needed for a mouse, I recommend Steelseries Sensei. It is a simple small mouse with great accuracy and buttons. It just clicks well & fast and is very solid, it lasts a long time. It has a small weight. Bought it love it. But there are many cheaper mice that do the job just fine.
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