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[SSL] Round of 4 Preview - Anniversary of PvZ - Page 2

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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 06 2014 04:15 GMT
#21
On March 06 2014 11:25 negativedge wrote:
why does this have to be on at the same time as GSL group of death


Chances are that these games will probably be better than the GSL group of death for sure.

I'm sure that the live attendees for SSL will also be larger than GSL's as well.

Come on this is the SEMIFINAL for SSL, GSL is still in group stage, it can wait.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
March 06 2014 04:36 GMT
#22
On March 06 2014 11:30 HyralGambit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 11:25 negativedge wrote:
why does this have to be on at the same time as GSL group of death

Because Brood War could care less about Starcraft 2.


as if I didn't expect this response. thoughtless antagonism between fans and organizers of the two games hurts everyone. don't be a mindless zealot.

and I believe this is the first time this season that SSL and GSL have been on the same day. that could be coincidence, but I'd like to believe that it isn't.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
March 06 2014 04:51 GMT
#23
I'm planning to LR this so I can watch Bisu lose 3-0 and all of you skt fanbois leave Teamliquid for a year in defeat
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
March 06 2014 05:03 GMT
#24
On March 06 2014 13:36 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 11:30 HyralGambit wrote:
On March 06 2014 11:25 negativedge wrote:
why does this have to be on at the same time as GSL group of death

Because Brood War could care less about Starcraft 2.


as if I didn't expect this response. thoughtless antagonism between fans and organizers of the two games hurts everyone. don't be a mindless zealot.

and I believe this is the first time this season that SSL and GSL have been on the same day. that could be coincidence, but I'd like to believe that it isn't.

I'm sure its just a coincidence? SSL is only on thursdays and saturdays due to player's schedules and sonic's schedule. Sonic also had these dates mapped out for a while now (since before SSL9 started so.. like december last year/early january) Also SSL8 final was on the same day as GSL finals i think? schedule conflicts happen but I don't really think korean organizers care about having non conflicting dates for these two events.
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
March 06 2014 05:08 GMT
#25
On March 06 2014 13:36 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 11:30 HyralGambit wrote:
On March 06 2014 11:25 negativedge wrote:
why does this have to be on at the same time as GSL group of death

Because Brood War could care less about Starcraft 2.


as if I didn't expect this response. thoughtless antagonism between fans and organizers of the two games hurts everyone. don't be a mindless zealot.

and I believe this is the first time this season that SSL and GSL have been on the same day. that could be coincidence, but I'd like to believe that it isn't.


Don't worry. 2 macro games between Movie and hero will be longer than the Group of Death.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
March 06 2014 05:12 GMT
#26
I find it funny that no matter what Kwanro does, no matter how many years go by where he consistently shows quality results, the overriding consensus is that its mystifying, because hes bad. Reminds me of Kwark constantly claiming Jangbi was a mediocre protoss, whos gameplan was nothing but gratuitous error followed by gratuitous error--- winning through an odd mixture of luck, and the stupidity of his opponents.

Oh well, Kwanro fighting!
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
HyralGambit
Profile Joined February 2014
2439 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-06 05:33:29
March 06 2014 05:32 GMT
#27
On March 06 2014 13:36 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 11:30 HyralGambit wrote:
On March 06 2014 11:25 negativedge wrote:
why does this have to be on at the same time as GSL group of death

Because Brood War could care less about Starcraft 2.


as if I didn't expect this response. thoughtless antagonism between fans and organizers of the two games hurts everyone. don't be a mindless zealot.

and I believe this is the first time this season that SSL and GSL have been on the same day. that could be coincidence, but I'd like to believe that it isn't.

The only person being antagonistic is you who called me a "mindless zealot", not realizing that the refusal to give a crap automatically being hostility is a fallacy to begin with. And I'm the one being thoughtless, good sir?

Excuse me for pointing out the obvious here, but I believe I have the right to defend myself: what can be considered more "mindless zealotry", negativedge, than shoving an incomplete sequel down the throat of an established RTS scene, forcing young professional gamers against their will to abandon their passion and love for Brood War, while simultaneously de-legitimizing every strategic revolution (Bisu build, Fantasy build, etc.) in a 10 year golden age and killing the Golden Goose of RTS out of jealousy, ego, and an inferiority complex because the sequel simply couldn't live up to the standards of its predecessor?

I think I've made my point, negativedge, so I'll stop.

User was warned for this post
Passion overcomes corporate stupidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX9hbbA-WP4#t=4h2m
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
March 06 2014 05:43 GMT
#28
On March 06 2014 11:30 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 09:18 Waxangel wrote:
I hope to become the owner of a sushi place some day, just so I can sell a "Kwanroll"

it will have cream cheese in it

And I will open a candle shop so I can sell the patented: Waxangel, which is a wax candle carving of Bisu's face.

Will you stock Rorolls as well?
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
drsia
Profile Joined February 2014
Malaysia12 Posts
March 06 2014 07:00 GMT
#29
I would love to see Bisu lose too
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-06 07:26:52
March 06 2014 07:23 GMT
#30
dont agree at all with the top 10... the #1 game there I wouldn't even put in top 20 games.
edit: Hero 3 - 1 Movie, Bisu 3 - 1 Kwanro, Bisu 4 - 2 Hero (if grand final is bo7)
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
lordsurya08
Profile Joined September 2011
United States141 Posts
March 06 2014 07:41 GMT
#31
Bisu's PvZ has looked pretty shaky - zerglings breaching the wall 4 times in a series is something that happens to amatuers, not the god of PvZ... I hope he fixes the mistakes he made vs Larva for his games vs Kwanro, because I do think there's a good chance that he will get cheesed out of the tournament if he isn't careful.
Do, or do not. There is no try.
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
March 06 2014 07:51 GMT
#32
On March 06 2014 16:23 dRaW wrote:
dont agree at all with the top 10... the #1 game there I wouldn't even put in top 20 games.
edit: Hero 3 - 1 Movie, Bisu 3 - 1 Kwanro, Bisu 4 - 2 Hero (if grand final is bo7)

the top 10 isnt in any particular order but im sorry you didnt agree with the kwanro mini game. i thought it was an enjoyable game to watch
the grand finals got changed to a bo5
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
March 06 2014 08:15 GMT
#33
Please, don't be a zvz finals. We have two good PvZ players, let at least one advance.
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HyralGambit
Profile Joined February 2014
2439 Posts
March 06 2014 08:30 GMT
#34
On March 06 2014 16:51 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 16:23 dRaW wrote:
dont agree at all with the top 10... the #1 game there I wouldn't even put in top 20 games.
edit: Hero 3 - 1 Movie, Bisu 3 - 1 Kwanro, Bisu 4 - 2 Hero (if grand final is bo7)

the top 10 isnt in any particular order but im sorry you didnt agree with the kwanro mini game. i thought it was an enjoyable game to watch
the grand finals got changed to a bo5


Well that last game between Mini and Kwanro definitely dispelled some of that "flow chart" myth and proved that Kwanro has something to prove for himself and his fans, which is always great to hear from his winner's interview.
Passion overcomes corporate stupidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX9hbbA-WP4#t=4h2m
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
March 06 2014 09:14 GMT
#35
On March 06 2014 14:32 HyralGambit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 13:36 negativedge wrote:
On March 06 2014 11:30 HyralGambit wrote:
On March 06 2014 11:25 negativedge wrote:
why does this have to be on at the same time as GSL group of death

Because Brood War could care less about Starcraft 2.


as if I didn't expect this response. thoughtless antagonism between fans and organizers of the two games hurts everyone. don't be a mindless zealot.

and I believe this is the first time this season that SSL and GSL have been on the same day. that could be coincidence, but I'd like to believe that it isn't.

The only person being antagonistic is you who called me a "mindless zealot", not realizing that the refusal to give a crap automatically being hostility is a fallacy to begin with. And I'm the one being thoughtless, good sir?

Excuse me for pointing out the obvious here, but I believe I have the right to defend myself: what can be considered more "mindless zealotry", negativedge, than shoving an incomplete sequel down the throat of an established RTS scene, forcing young professional gamers against their will to abandon their passion and love for Brood War, while simultaneously de-legitimizing every strategic revolution (Bisu build, Fantasy build, etc.) in a 10 year golden age and killing the Golden Goose of RTS out of jealousy, ego, and an inferiority complex because the sequel simply couldn't live up to the standards of its predecessor?

I think I've made my point, negativedge, so I'll stop.

User was warned for this post


mindless zealotry it is, then.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
March 06 2014 09:25 GMT
#36
Great article as usual guys!

Bisu'd better watch out; Larva almost took him down with those early zerglings, and if anyone masters this playstyle it's Kwanro.

Please Bisu don't Stork yourself and build a second cannon when necessary!
ॐ
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
March 06 2014 09:43 GMT
#37
On March 06 2014 18:25 endy wrote:
Great article as usual guys!

Bisu'd better watch out; Larva almost took him down with those early zerglings, and if anyone masters this playstyle it's Kwanro.

Please Bisu don't Stork yourself and build a second cannon when necessary!


The problem is he doesn't know when that second cannon is necessary. Yes, he could keep the probe alive as long as speed is not done for lings, but after that he has to either block better with zealot/probes or build the second cannon and hope that zerg indeed produced more lings.
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
March 06 2014 09:52 GMT
#38
On March 06 2014 18:43 arbiter_md wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 18:25 endy wrote:
Great article as usual guys!

Bisu'd better watch out; Larva almost took him down with those early zerglings, and if anyone masters this playstyle it's Kwanro.

Please Bisu don't Stork yourself and build a second cannon when necessary!


The problem is he doesn't know when that second cannon is necessary. Yes, he could keep the probe alive as long as speed is not done for lings, but after that he has to either block better with zealot/probes or build the second cannon and hope that zerg indeed produced more lings.


It doesn't matter as Bisu is vastly superior in any other aspect of the matchup. He just needs to play safe and not lose as Stork did vs Jaedong in Korean Air Season 2 semis. At least Stork needed to be greedy in order to increase his chances of beating JD so it was understandable. JD was also amazing at mind games.

Also he can always keep a probe outside of his base to scout again when the first probe dies. Still much cheaper than getting run by or losing tons of probes defending the natural.
ॐ
ShoGunBo
Profile Joined November 2008
Romania55 Posts
March 06 2014 10:09 GMT
#39
Any stream to the matches?? pls..
...and I present u....Alex THE LION!!! :)
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
March 06 2014 10:10 GMT
#40
On March 06 2014 19:09 ShoGunBo wrote:
Any stream to the matches?? pls..

They are all in the sidebar!
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