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On December 17 2013 03:02 BulgarianToss wrote:
So much hatred in this thread, I don't understand. Also I don't understand why Croweded was banned for his post when the only thing he really did is to ask a reasonable question without flaming or offending anybody ? I seriously hope Gecko and Game get along, because they both did a lot for foreign BW, it's useless to fight about little things.
Well, I hope this is not a rhetorical question, because I'm totally going to answer it. If you read the automated ban list, you'd see he was a previously banned user. As for his question, I'm sorry to say, it was not reasonable, because Scan, who is a Korean-American, can't post here to defend himself. Also, unfortunately, we don't live in a magical unicorn world where everyone just gets along. There are a lot of different personalities being brought in contact with each other because the internet is linking people around the world together, and the result can be messy a lot of times. I'm sure there have been times when someone has said or done something on iccup or in a forum that has pissed you off, and I don't fault you for that. It might seem strange, but I think it's okay to be pissed off and say something about it. I think we're going in the right direction as people because maybe 200 years ago, we'd kill each other in a pistol-duel over arguments.
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On December 17 2013 03:34 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 03:02 BulgarianToss wrote:
So much hatred in this thread, I don't understand. Also I don't understand why Croweded was banned for his post when the only thing he really did is to ask a reasonable question without flaming or offending anybody ? I seriously hope Gecko and Game get along, because they both did a lot for foreign BW, it's useless to fight about little things. Well, I hope this is not a rhetorical question, because I'm totally going to answer it. If you read the automated ban list, you'd see he was a previously banned user. As for his question, I'm sorry to say, it was not reasonable, because Scan, who is a Korean-American, can't post here to defend himself. Also, unfortunately, we don't live in a magical unicorn world where everyone just gets along. There are a lot of different personalities being brought in contact with each other because the internet is linking people around the world together, and the result can be messy a lot of times. I'm sure there have been times when someone has said or done something on iccup or in a forum that has pissed you off, and I don't fault you for that. It might seem strange, but I think it's okay to be pissed off and say something about it. I think we're going in the right direction as people because maybe 200 years ago, we'd kill each other in a pistol-duel over arguments.
(first paragraph is ridiculous, move to the second unless your name is ninazerg)
Isn't the point you're making just another reason Scan shouldn't be in the league... I mean, for SBWI to honor iCCup ban list and not TL's basically says nothing but bad things about their organization. They're obviously not banning users because they think it's warranted or because they want to do right by their predecessors and co-existing organizations... They just did it so that they can run their event on the server. Excuse me Mr. President, SBWI does negotiate with terrorists.
Oh and back to some less insane points, by the rules, I guess "TECHNICALLY" (given that they are poorly worded)... Rule 14 states that a player can be associated with pro gaming as long as he is not associated with a pro team... Now, basically that means, if just about any pro Korean player at the moment were to not be in Korea, they would be eligible because they don't have to be associated with a pro team in order to play in pro tournaments. The way I read it however, is that (how I think it was intended), players who are associated with the pro scene should not be eligible. As of now, Scan is part of the Korean pro scene... Given, the level has dropped, but not to a significant enough to close the gap with foreigners, not by a long shot.
Long story short, Scan is not excluded based on the current rule set as far as I know because it explicitly states that the player has to be associated with a PRO team, but that I think is outdated because previously you had to be on a pro team in order to play in a pro tournament, now you don't.
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lol, do something more productive with your life.
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On December 15 2013 04:07 Game wrote:Additional points: 6. Korean copy of BW ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pVV5sjM.jpg) 7. Korean stream MODs
12) Rules Concerning Spoilers
Players are forbidden from sharing, implicitly or explicitly, the results of a league match with anyone other than the administration, the players on their own team, and the players on the opposing team.
i knew from this screenshot what was the result of whole thing, isnt this a spoiler?
are u complaining about another breaking rules while u do it ? sounds fair
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How did you know the result?
Edit: People watch their replays win or lose. Especially Korean pro-gamers, the ex-STK1 type.
That was impressive could mean that Scan impressively raped, or Scan was impressively raped.
Rule #12 applies that Scan shouldn't have been streaming (SPOILING) his matches and replay(s?). His 77 viewers surely took away from the STL cast, thus he is a detriment to the league.
Come at me bro. Sounds fair, right?
Alas, it looks like spoiling IS allowed, confirmed by the president himself.
[12/14/2013 1:45:19 PM] David Barr: http://www.twitch.tv/skryoo1004
[12/14/2013 1:45:20 PM] David Barr: is this allowed?
[12/14/2013 1:45:49 PM] Jaevlaterran: yea
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On December 17 2013 06:36 Game wrote:
How did you know the result?
Edit: People watch their replays win or lose. Especially Korean pro-gamers, the ex-STK1 type.
That was impressive could mean that Scan impressively raped, or Scan was impressively raped.
Cuz you spoiled it.
Also, I don't think STK1 is a real team, sounds fake to me.
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This is silly. Go away, your ruined enough in your so-called career already. Let people have their fun in this league. Nobody cares about you anymore dumbfuck.
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On December 17 2013 06:36 Game wrote:How did you know the result? Edit: People watch their replays win or lose. Especially Korean pro-gamers, the ex-STK1 type. That was impressive could mean that Scan impressively raped, or Scan was impressively raped. Rule #12 applies that Scan shouldn't have been streaming (SPOILING) his matches and replay(s?). His 77 viewers surely took away from the STL cast, thus he is a detriment to the league. Come at me bro. Sounds fair, right? Alas, it looks like spoiling IS allowed, confirmed by the president himself. [12/14/2013 1:45:19 PM] David Barr: http://www.twitch.tv/skryoo1004[12/14/2013 1:45:20 PM] David Barr: is this allowed? [12/14/2013 1:45:49 PM] Jaevlaterran: yea
well if you are watching a replay in desti means that the cw is already in the ace match and you were obviously complaining because u lost the cw if not i bet there wouldnt be any post from you, anyway i think stream should not be allowed but hey! i was just trying to stop spoilers in the future because is the thing i hate the most, but if its allowed i will just make sure i dont join the threads/streams untill the official cast is done 
the rest is that, just drama
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On December 17 2013 07:12 sas.ZaRaki wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 06:36 Game wrote:How did you know the result? Edit: People watch their replays win or lose. Especially Korean pro-gamers, the ex-STK1 type. That was impressive could mean that Scan impressively raped, or Scan was impressively raped. Rule #12 applies that Scan shouldn't have been streaming (SPOILING) his matches and replay(s?). His 77 viewers surely took away from the STL cast, thus he is a detriment to the league. Come at me bro. Sounds fair, right? Alas, it looks like spoiling IS allowed, confirmed by the president himself. [12/14/2013 1:45:19 PM] David Barr: http://www.twitch.tv/skryoo1004[12/14/2013 1:45:20 PM] David Barr: is this allowed? [12/14/2013 1:45:49 PM] Jaevlaterran: yea well if you are watching a replay in desti means that the cw is already in the ace match and you were obviously complaining because u lost the cw if not i bet there wouldnt be any post from you, anyway i think stream should not be allowed but hey! i was just trying to stop spoilers in the future because is the thing i hate the most, but if its allowed i will just make sure i dont join the threads/streams untill the official cast is done the rest is that, just drama
Streaming the games live while playing them is something we have chosen to allow. Simply writing results without adding a spoiler tag in a thread/stream chat where people who might not want to be spoiled hang out is more what is implied in the rules.
Example 1: trutacz streams his games in STL, this is fine; talking about results in that stream chat is also fine.
Example 2: writing in the official STL thread is not ok, hence me asking you to use spoiler tags.
Example 3: saying "Do we really need to watch my games I played so bad" in the official stream chat will result in a TO and a warning instantly (assuming a mod sees it, which is what I have had done once so far)
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Good thing you strike down on those who spoil in the official stream chat. There have been several players who have spoken about their performance in such a way that you know the results prior to watching the game being casted.
Also, Game, there is no point in discussing Scan further. He is allowed to play, end of story. And by the way, I read your first posts and the result was obvious even though you claim otherwise. LRM still has 5 other sets you can win, perhaps you should focus on them instead.
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On December 17 2013 07:26 Jaevlaterran wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 07:12 sas.ZaRaki wrote:On December 17 2013 06:36 Game wrote:How did you know the result? Edit: People watch their replays win or lose. Especially Korean pro-gamers, the ex-STK1 type. That was impressive could mean that Scan impressively raped, or Scan was impressively raped. Rule #12 applies that Scan shouldn't have been streaming (SPOILING) his matches and replay(s?). His 77 viewers surely took away from the STL cast, thus he is a detriment to the league. Come at me bro. Sounds fair, right? Alas, it looks like spoiling IS allowed, confirmed by the president himself. [12/14/2013 1:45:19 PM] David Barr: http://www.twitch.tv/skryoo1004[12/14/2013 1:45:20 PM] David Barr: is this allowed? [12/14/2013 1:45:49 PM] Jaevlaterran: yea well if you are watching a replay in desti means that the cw is already in the ace match and you were obviously complaining because u lost the cw if not i bet there wouldnt be any post from you, anyway i think stream should not be allowed but hey! i was just trying to stop spoilers in the future because is the thing i hate the most, but if its allowed i will just make sure i dont join the threads/streams untill the official cast is done the rest is that, just drama Streaming the games live while playing them is something we have chosen to allow. Simply writing results without adding a spoiler tag in a thread/stream chat where people who might not want to be spoiled hang out is more what is implied in the rules. Example 1: trutacz streams his games in STL, this is fine; talking about results in that stream chat is also fine. Example 2: writing in the official STL thread is not ok, hence me asking you to use spoiler tags. Example 3: saying "Do we really need to watch my games I played so bad" in the official stream chat will result in a TO and a warning instantly (assuming a mod sees it, which is what I have had done once so far)
You're right... It's only okay when SBWI staff spoil results for a game on stream. AM I RIGHT?
+ Show Spoiler +iFU vs LagFree had results spoiled by staff -> Watch the VOD if you don't believe it (Lucky they had a guy who had no other job than to put up overlays... AM I RIGHT?)
Otherwise, You're saying that we can privately messages EVERYONE the results to our games as long as they are not spoiled in the stream?
Another thing... Does it really matter if we spoil results on stream? Clearly, rules say it is forbidden, but the rules do not have any consequences included. So, basically the only other thing that applies is rule 1 claiming that SBWI rules with an iron fist... Meaning, if I were to spoil results of my games in stream chat, nothing would happen, however, you could choose to ban me because you simply don't like me... But you can choose to ban me because you don't like me regardless (as proven by the blacklisted players - Who didn't abuse in this event - Some not in any event - Though previous abusers are allowed to play). I mean, PRIORITIES right?
Oh, and one last thing, it is especially good that you keep a very detailed rule book which is nowhere to be found on teamliquid or anywhere else on the Internet, because you clearly just pulled those three rulings out of your ass... Or maybe out of iFU's playbook? I'm not sure if there is a difference to be honest. They're both up there for sure.
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On December 17 2013 07:49 dr.shrinker wrote:
Also, Game, there is no point in discussing Scan further. He is allowed to play, end of story. And by the way, I read your first posts and the result was obvious even though you claim otherwise. LRM still has 5 other sets you can win, perhaps you should focus on them instead.
I don't think you're conceptualizing my posts.
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On December 17 2013 06:18 sas.ZaRaki wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 04:07 Game wrote:
Additional points:
6. Korean copy of BW
7. Korean stream MODs 12) Rules Concerning Spoilers Players are forbidden from sharing, implicitly or explicitly, the results of a league match with anyone other than the administration, the players on their own team, and the players on the opposing team. i knew from this screenshot what was the result of whole thing, isnt this a spoiler? are u complaining about another breaking rules while u do it ? sounds fair
Assume it is a spoiler, anyone could have posted that... If anyone could have posted it, it means anyone could have known about the results... What would be done if some random person and/or smurf not affiliated with any team posted that screen shot? Who is to blame, the guy who posted it (potentially having gotten spoiled himself), or the guy who spoiled it for him?
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On December 17 2013 08:20 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 07:49 dr.shrinker wrote:
Also, Game, there is no point in discussing Scan further. He is allowed to play, end of story. And by the way, I read your first posts and the result was obvious even though you claim otherwise. LRM still has 5 other sets you can win, perhaps you should focus on them instead. I don't think you're conceptualizing my posts.
please learn your own language once you have time. It's getting hard to understand you.
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Hey guys, can we switch all these complaints to PMs? I think everyone would appreciate it, this thread should be about league games and possibly include links to vods.
Regards
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We need to get DreamHack to host an SBWI tournament soon.
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Y'all need Jesus. Especially Eywa. His posts are making Game look bad because people think that's Game smurfing and he's tarnishing Game's good name on TL. I think I'm gonna be the first to say this, but I think people are picking on Game for the same reason people are picking on Rob Ford: because he's a bit overweight. Seriously, guys?
And to Eywa, you need to stop wasting time here, and get online and play me, bo9, I will get every single BroodWar caster to cast at once, stop dodging.
On December 17 2013 08:20 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 07:49 dr.shrinker wrote:
Also, Game, there is no point in discussing Scan further. He is allowed to play, end of story. And by the way, I read your first posts and the result was obvious even though you claim otherwise. LRM still has 5 other sets you can win, perhaps you should focus on them instead. I don't think you're conceptualizing my posts.
You create so much unintentional comedy and that's why we love you :D
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Lrm)Game and DRAMA! Nothing changes... Grow up already...
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On December 17 2013 09:35 Xiphos wrote:
We need to get DreamHack to host an SBWI tournament soon.
I thought I'll send them my annual request:
We sponsor.
We organize.
We do fucking eveything.
We'll see if they consider the "deal" (in sweden we call this a robbery) good enough this year. And yea, I am still a bit bitter they said quake 3 was more of an esport than BW.
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