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Winning is all about doing something your opponent doesn't expect, and in that regard, I think JangBi had us all fooled :DCongrats JangBi, last OSL champion!!! :D :D
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
Winning is all about doing something your opponent doesn't expect, and in that regard, I think JangBi had us all fooled :DCongrats JangBi, last OSL champion!!! :D :D | ||
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Gerbilkit
United States32 Posts
Lol at everyone complaining about Jangbi cheese and whatnot. Who is the greatest most loved BW/esports player of all time? How did he get started? What was he known for? Funny that one of Boxer's disciples is brought down by cheese, (admittedly much less entertaining cheese than Boxers) What I thought most interesting was how obviously Jangbi had prepared his builds. He barely scouted/didn't even scout in a few games. His first DT rush was completely blind. He clearly knew what Fantasy was going to do and planned accordingly, and Fantasy failed to adapt. | ||
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icopp
China16 Posts
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Vanimar
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 05 2012 09:07 strongwind wrote: As much as I wanted to see long macro games with intense, edge-of-your-seat battles, I'm really glad JangBi didn't buy into all that fan service. It might have cost him the championship Winning is all about doing something your opponent doesn't expect, and in that regard, I think JangBi had us all fooled :DCongrats JangBi, last OSL champion!!! :D :D JangBi told us before hand that we will be able to see a bit of everything in the games today and thus we saw Robo tech, Templar Achieve, and StarGates ones. I think he delivered perfectly. Only umbrage I have is the last game. He could have made the game much longer... back of after he killed the initial tanks, double expands from there and just play defensively. Pantaji will be fighting up hill throughout a slow but surely the eventual death of exhaustion as we see JangBi BMing like crazy with Mind Control, and Scoutuuuu!! DADADA!. I would really love to see that and the fans across the world even go crazier. But alas, we don't know if Fantasy might pull off some crazy Vulture Terrorism at mid game that will be able to get him back into the game, JangBi did what he had to do to seal off the championship. On August 05 2012 08:18 JuiceBoxHero wrote: And the inevitable broodwar vs sc2, macro vs cheese war begins. I am prone to defend sc2 simply because its the game I play, but that doesnt mean I need to bash bw and a reverse situation is also uncalled for. People will alway find a reason to laud bw as the golden game and claim sc2 is shit, and if thats what you believe then its probably time for you to stop following the starcraft scene. Sc2 is evolving constantly, and well see where it ends, and if can ever match the greatness of bw. I personally just like to see skilled players play these games, and play them myself. This finals, while cool, looked a lot like many sc2 finals, and thats fine with me. I personally only watch SC2 because of G2D and IdrA, other members are not worth my time with the exception of Artosis because he is the ONLY caster that knows wtf is going on. But I still like G2D because of his qualities, and his absolute polar opposite personality of Day[9] whom I have respected once upon a time. | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
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ZachFreeman
Australia484 Posts
On August 05 2012 10:20 LuckyMacro wrote: I'm kinda still in denial about this being the last BW OSL... You and I both, buddy. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
On August 04 2012 23:32 IshinShishi wrote: I don't question the fact that fantasy got outplayed, but only how it happened and the value of the games, I'm not saying that players shouldn't cheese, by all means, do what you have to do to win, that won't stop me from fiercely believing that these games have less value, because they truly do in many ways, and that if it came down to it, jangbi would very quickly run out of cards to play in a longer series, this to me was disservice to how much better fantasy has been playing for a long time. Mind me, this has nothing to do with me loving macro games only or anything of the sort, I just happen to like good strategical moves in a row, not fishing poles in the fog of war into gg. Interesting analogies but inapplicable to these games. Jangbi came with prepared builds but nowhere in the series was there a situation where both players blind picked a build, and then the outcome was decided by what each picked. On NEC Jangbi chose a build that's deadly against 14CC on that map, and he did so *after* seeing a 14CC built brazenly at Fantasy's wall. He saw a weakness and chose the most abusive punishment. Fantasy received as much scouting as he could possibly leverage, but his contingency (or lack thereof) for proxy robo just failed. On Gladiator Jangbi did blind pick his 2 gate range into archives play, but the build showed at least THREE key pieces of information that Fantasy could've read: SCV in main sees 2 gates, Vulture in nat sees no nexus, for minutes before DTs come Jangbi shows aggressive suicide mine clearing. Any sort of response from Fantasy involving detection would've put him up but he didn't choose them for whatever reason. My guesses: 1. Fantasy parried a different DT opener in game 2. Maybe he felt he discouraged further DT openers. 2. Fantasy got a blind greed opening punished by an elevator and reaver response. Perhaps he chose fac cc fac double shop to snub any bulldog or elevator breaks. He also made a bunker at front instead of an ebay. 3. Fantasy saw a lot of success in game 2 with standard play + an aggressive vulture presence that yanked Jangbi's army around the map. His fast 2 shop is a good way to get double upgraded vultures out en masse soon after an expo. Regardless of his reasoning, Fantasy made an unsuccessful play. But whatever plays either player made were the fruits of research, preparation, practice, and ultimately on-site intuition and wits. Not luck. Every single opening, "cheese" or not, is blind up till a certain point in the game, and it is up to the player to prepare contingencies and adapt. | ||
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Tru_m4n
162 Posts
On August 05 2012 10:20 LuckyMacro wrote: I'm kinda still in denial about this being the last BW OSL... I don't want to believe it either. Seeing grown-up men crying on stage, and Kim Carrier with his broken voice telling all the viewers how much he loves the game and all the fans... I cried. I don't understand a single word of korean, but I can feel the passion that he is emitting. If there is anyone that deserve our love (upcoming appreciation project?) after all these years, it has to be Kim Carrier. I didn't think Starcraft could be this touching, but I was wrong. It can't end like this. It just can't. + Show Spoiler + On the other hand, if it has to end, then I wouldn't want any other ending than the one I just described | ||
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mute20
Canada175 Posts
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
On August 05 2012 11:16 mute20 wrote: Sad to see both scbw and 1.6 both slowly dieing in the same year. The greatest competitive games of their genre. indeed, so many good games and memories | ||
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AdmiralAvocado
4 Posts
Good work JangBi if SC2 was built for competition it would be great but it's built for casual good bye Brood War you are truly the deepest RTS ever developed | ||
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INTOtheVOID
United States225 Posts
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ChriS-X
Malaysia1374 Posts
The Emperor who paved the way, overcoming the ruthless Storm, To continue protecting the empire, it was then succeeded by the Cheater, Many have tried to take it down, including the God of War with its mighty horns, But it took a Tornado reigning the crown as long as it could, making him one of the best victors, Then came along a Maestro, destroyer and savior in the kingdom's darkest hours, Until it was stopped by a Revolutionist, to maintain balance with its new found power, However the Tyrant was there too, devouring all known legends with ferocity, Thank goodness however, there exists an Ultimate Weapon ending his monstrosity, Many thought he will win it all till the end, nonetheless the Terrorist struck him down first, Wanting to return the empire's former glory, he did all he could killing many, Only to be defeated by the Almighty twice, giving the hero his deserved prize. :'( | ||
TheEmulator
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Grend
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Many of us will miss you.I always have a feeling that the scbw pros are the real pro sc players so please go own sc2 scene now! | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On August 05 2012 09:59 Xiphos wrote: JangBi told us before hand that we will be able to see a bit of everything in the games today and thus we saw Robo tech, Templar Achieve, and StarGates ones. I think he delivered perfectly. Yes! Jangbi's so good. On August 05 2012 09:59 Xiphos wrote: I personally only watch SC2 because of G2D and IdrA, other members are not worth my time Idra is a fantastic player! Or is he?! | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 06 2012 10:38 neptunusfisk wrote: Yes! Jangbi's so good. Idra is a fantastic player! Or is he?! Arbitrarily speaking, I used to detest the player wholeheartily but then as time developed, I've gained a massive respect for the guy because he is the sole foreigner that is able to handle Korean training regime in which 90% of them don't nearly take this job as seriously and just dick around ffs. | ||
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